@dernman: One thing I'd like to point out, the responsibility for Trump being elected lies on the shoulders of those who voted for him, nothing more nothing less.
You can argue until the cows come home that there were extenuating circumstances, or reasons why people turned to Trump (which there were), however responsibility is based on the actions you take, not the reasons for taking them.
You're argument fails when your only other choice is a guaranteed shit show like Hillary. At the time for many Trump was still a just a gamble against a sure thing of Hilary and he was saying things dealt with legit things . Did the gamble pay off? I'd say for many no. Not to mention this was coming off at the time Bernie got screwed by Hilary supporters. Not to mention all the calls of being some kind of -ist anytime you didn't agree with Hilary or thought and issue Trump brought up only because he was pandering was legit. So there is some understanding. It's not only on their shoulders. Many were driven but were down right pushed there that wouldn't have been otherwise been.
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Also lets not forget that Trump lost the popular vote. For all those people that were giving Trump anything positive they didn't actually vote for him. It was the electoral college and I suspect that they voted that way because of what happened to Bernie because of Hilary supporters.
@buttersdaman000: What do you think my position is in the argument is?
That overly sensitive/overly anti-Trump people and narratives pushed some people towards voting for trump when they likely wouldn't have otherwise.
ok so you were only referencing that small portion of the argument. Just checking.
Just for the record. I'm not a Trump supporter. I feel I have to repeat that a million times because I get accused that any time I'm not attacking every little thing, or dare question a terrible argument..
Says the person so blinded by hate they can't see strait. Stop acting like a stereotypical anti trump poster boy that Trump supporters use to make him look more legit than he is.
How about you stop being an enabler, it's people like you who got him elected.
Actually it's people like you who got him elected. If you didn't make every excuse for under the sun for why hillary isn't so bad. If you weren't bull shitting, twisting and outright lying at times or making shit up for every little thing so much and just stuck to the legit things he wouldn't have been elected. It was Hillary's election to lose. There was noway he was going to win but you people sure made it happen didn't you. Well buck up because your chickens have come home to roost and you only have yourself to blame.
And thus the stupid MAGA cap appeared on your head.
smh
Again you prove yourself to be acting like a poster boy of the none reasonable section of the anti trump crowd. I've said the guy is a fool and isn't president material. I've downright said there is legit reason to hate and not want this person to be president. Enough not to get the guy elected. Hell I even said I didn't like the way he handled it. Yet you ignore ALL of that to demonize anyone who doesn't lose their shit and any reason they might have at the mere thought of him as whatever new stupid label you come up with the day.
You've done a good job self destructing. I don't think I could have done a good a job destroying your credibility as you've done yourself in such a short span of time..
True fact, I dont care if you think I am a posterboy for anti-trumpism, what I do care about is that you thought 'hold on, he might have some good bits, he can't be worse than Hillary'. Yet he was and you were stupid enough not to believe your own eyes.
It doesn't matter what I think. Your own words condemn you.
Your insistence on playing that stupid game of blah blah oh he's worse than her all or she's worse than him blah blah is pathetic. Your insistence to defend that shit show Hillary is pathetic and shows your true color. The difference here is she was better at hiding it and played the PR game way better than him. Despite all the shit her camp did people are still defending her. Even the more reasonable trump haters said she sucked.
I've said I don't like the guy. I've said he isn't a good president but because I don't go far enough in blind hatred you have the audacity to call anyone else stupid!!!!!!! What the hell is wrong with you dude? See a therapist. I'm not even joking to take a dig at you here. You're coming off as those unhinged people you hear about in the news that think it's ok to attack people.
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