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Justice League #12: Is there truly a justified reasoning?

As many, and perhaps very few know, I'm not a huge fan of Geoff Johns. I love his work on Aquaman and Green Lantern, but those are the minor exceptions. Ever since he was listed as the writer for Justice League alongside superstar artist Jim Lee, there was a decent amount of skepticism rising inside me. The first few issues were done fine, it was your basic superhero beat em-up that we expected from an early Justice League team-up. But one particular moment in the series has pissed me off beyond belief. In all of the series thus far though, not once has Superman nor Wonder Woman shown any innate interest in each other. There was the one time comment from Superman concerning Diana's strength in the battle against Darkseid's parademons as well as Diana's apology for the infamous sucker punch she landed on Clark after he attempted to calm her down in Justice League #12. So through that, it's deemed logical to force the two to pucker up?

Past the awkward stage I guess
Past the awkward stage I guess

But truly, besides those two instances, when has there ever been reasoning given for a relationship between Clark and Diana. Up to this point, they've spoken as much as a few sentences to each other in total. Considering they've been teammates for roughly five years, you'd expect Diana to at least know Superman's real identity or even refer to him by his Kryptonian name as she occasionally did in the Pre-52 universe. Honestly, Diana wouldn't have been my first choice for Clark's first love interest in the New 52, but at least they've attempted something new(sort of). My main problem with the entire situation is, as I stated not the kiss itself, but the lack of ANY sort of build-up towards it. Neither Diana nor Clark have shown any interest towards each other besides camaradiere as teammates and respect. From what was shown, Diana has spent the majority of the series focusing on her past relationship with Steve and how she has apparently avoided him all these years to keep him from danger. That's fine and all, but given all that Diana has gone through regarding the past few issues and Steve's "death", it'd be safe to assume that she'd attempt to avoid a relationship of any sort, despite how long it takes to open up again. And yet, after the entire ordeal with Graves and her visions showing her true feeling for Steve manifesting, she jumps directly to Superman with seemingly no regrets.

Yeah, I'll get the responses claiming how "similar they are", or "they're both alone and just want to be human", but truly, that's complete nonsense. Diana wants nothing of the sort. She has no interest in being normal or living among the humans as simple common folk as Clark does. She was raised as a Princess and hasn't been taught the same ideals and virtues that Clark was raised with. He's alone in the Universe for a reason. His entire race has gone extinct, and as such, his solitude was not of his own doing. He's been stated on several accounts to be the most powerful being on the planet and yet, he considers doesn't consider himself above the human race. Instead, he prefers to be one of them, live among them, to simply fit in. In what way does this make him similar to Diana besides the fact that they're both basically "gods" among men?

Some consider it a logical choice to pit the two together. They're both perfectly capable of handling themselves. One is a highly trained warrior with years of experience, while the other is nigh invincible and supposedly the most powerful being on the planet. Given their power-sets, they would have less to worry about compared to if they were in relationships with normal humans such as Steve or Lois for example. But instead of unbearably forcing the kiss so early on, would it really have been hard to creatively build up their relationship or interest in each other over the course of a few issues? Give the readers a reason to care for why they are together instead of just tossing it all together so blatantly.

I barely know you... but let's make out.
I barely know you... but let's make out.

Could I possibly be overreacting or pulling the trigger too quickly? Perhaps, and maybe I should let events unfold over the next few issues or so, but thus far, this entire ordeal has seemed to be just like a massive publicity stunt to attraction further attention on top of the New 52.

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@Deranged Midget said:

@greenteaforme: Oh I know what you meant! I was simply stating that in regards to New 52, Diana and Clark were nothing more than teammates and besides the camaraderie and respect shown between each other, nothing has indicated that any of this was possible.

But that's my opinion.

It's really upsetting to me.

In League of One, Diana had to trick and hurt all of her friends in order to keep them safe.

But when she tricked Superman, she was so stressed and pained by betraying her her dearest friend that she was in tears.

Taking that friendship and forcing some...desperate "We're lonely and we both have super powers" romance is a really poor choice on DC's part.

Like I said, a part of me can't wait for the New 52 to be over already.

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@greenteaforme: Personally, I've always seen Diana and Clark more as siblings than lovers. Their friendship is so strong that exceeds love, but not as physical attraction.

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@Static Shock said:

I kinda liked it.

Any particular reason why? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

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@Deranged Midget said:

Any particular reason why? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

I always thought that it was an interesting pairing.

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@Static Shock said:

@Deranged Midget said:

Any particular reason why? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

I always thought that it was an interesting pairing.

Hmm, yeah the most common answer I usually receive is that Superman deserves a new love interest and it's suited well to both of the characters.

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@Deranged Midget: By all accounts, there has been some serious mismanagement and miscommunication going on behind the scenes since the launch of the New 52. Azzarello has given Wonder Woman the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful series she's had in a long time. He loves the character, understands her appeal, see's the potential she has, and has a vision for her. He's the one who should be in charge of her love life, not that f*cking hack, Geoff Johns.

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It would be pretty hilarious if Azzarello has her hooking up with Orion or Gasp.. Darkseid in her solo series.

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@entropy_aegis said:

It would be pretty hilarious if Azzarello has her hooking up with Orion or Gasp.. Darkseid in her solo series.

Paha that would make for a great jealous Superman fight with Orion.

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@Lvenger said:

@entropy_aegis said:

It would be pretty hilarious if Azzarello has her hooking up with Orion or Gasp.. Darkseid in her solo series.

Paha that would make for a great jealous Superman fight with Orion.

True but Johns would just shoot it down... meh.

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@Lvenger said:

Paha that would make for a great jealous Superman fight with Orion.

That would make for a fantastic issue!

@jrock85: Unfortunately, it's his book and it's under his control. It's uncertain whether or not this will transfer over into their own namesake titles.

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@Deranged Midget: Sadly, if push comes to shove, I'm sure Johns will get his way considering that he's the CCO. If there's anything we've learned about that maledetto bastardo, its that he's more than willing to take a giant sh*t on what other creators have established. I won't be buying JL or anything else this romance will be featured in.

LOL Did you know that the word "Geoffcon" is on urban dictionary now?

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@jrock85: Wow, I never knew that. I never really reference or use the urban dictionary.

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The kiss felt like a marketing ploy instead of organic character development. Plus I never saw anything unique about Superman and wonder woman hooking up in general.

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@x_29: Those were general thoughts as well.

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At first I didn't agree with Superman and Wonderwoman getting together, but there were settle hints and lines that made the couple right in the New 52. One scene where Clark was in his cubical, and Lois comes in. A colleague stated " You're gonna be an old maid if you keep on waitin' for Superman" Lois replied " Are you kidding? Superman's waiting for me" Clark looked miserable while eating his boring lunch. He then remembers his high school years where he never gets picked first when it comes to picking teams.

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That already set the mood that Lois is a stuck up b****, and Clark needs to move on.

When WonderWoman and Superman was on top of the Lincoln Memorial, Wonder woman just saw her decease mother, and almost lost her best friend. Superman saw his parents too. They're both alone and they both can relate. They had nothing to lose, and I would feel the same way if there was a a hot man of steel in front of me.

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Woooooaa there, Lois isnt a b**** because shes making a joke and showing some confidence.

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@lthb: I'm not understanding how it makes sense that two sad people should be together, in the situation you described.

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