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#1 Posted by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a pretty interesting idea. If you believe you can pull it off, go for it.

#2 Posted by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

@sc said:

@delphic said:

In a logical world, if I were a gay man and I went into a bakery to buy a cake for my boyfriend's birthday, and the owner refused to sell his goods to me because I was gay, sure I would be upset, but I would simply leave and take my business elsewhere.

Thats a tricky example, because in a logical world a business owner wouldn't refuse to sell his goods to a customer on the basis of them being gay. Then again it depends what you mean by logical world. Logic deals with validity, illogical behavior, conclusions, ideas is a logical outcome of individuals, groups, entities with imperfect senses navigating a vast, complex reality. Like you mention lawsuits over coffee, which many think of as a frivolous lawsuit… but its a bit more complicated. In Liebeck v. McDonalds, it was revealed that McDonalds coffees were relatively hotter than many other food service establishments, the reasoning for this, given by Mcdonalds was that for customers in commute, it would mean they could still enjoy a warm/hot beverage after their commute. Which in one way is quite logical… assuming that a certain amount of McDonalds customers actually delay consuming their coffee. A recent documentary on one of the more famous coffee lawsuits covers how corporations will often spend substantial amounts of money to present certain lawsuits as frivolous and a perversion of the justice system, so shock, so cray cray, much wow. Thats not to say that people who buy hot coffee and then spill it over themselves should be rewarded extravagant amounts of money, but I am not sure simple is the right word for it either, especially since media reporting over such incidents tend to be sensationalist and warp perspectives especially over time. Which is logical giving that a majority of people use the news for degrees of entertainment as well as learning about reality than just looking for accurate, valid, factual information.

Like you said, it comes down to what one mean's by logical world. If one looks at the world as how it could be (i.e. without any form of Xenophobia) then it would be highly illogical for a business owner to refuse services. That's not to say that it is not illogical for a business owner to do so in the first place, especially considering that it contradicts the sole purpose of business which is to gain profit in exchange for services. Considering the world as it currently is though, it is illogical to force someone to do something they do not wish to do, even if their reasons for doing so are illogical. If you yourself were in the same situation as I presented, would you not do as I did and simply take your business elsewhere? Would most not do the same? If one does live in a country that has freedoms and rights, then one does not have to be forced into making a choice one does not wish to make. In time though, even if a person makes a choice the consequences of said choices will be reaped. A business owner who refuses to render services will loose that potential profit, and depending on the customer base, it will determine if the owner can justify keeping their business open. The only true fact of life is time, and time has ultimately infinite potential and that potential can take humanity in more directions than you and I can possibly fathom.

In terms of the steps that businesses take to prevent lawsuits, I one can vouch for that having worked in human resourcing, and seen first hand, measures taken to prevent lawsuits. We live in a world where businesses must take care with every single step they take, for if there is any weakness that can be exploited there will be one who will exploit it.

@sc said:
@delphic said:

In order to do that you must eliminate opinion. In order to eliminate opinion you must eliminate free human will, and it is impossible to eliminate human will. Human will be broken, but not eliminated. The only way to eliminate free will, would require that the human capacity to think must be removed. You can tell a person how to think (i.e Present them with an opinion), but it is up to that person if they will accept your opinion or not. So unless you remove a human beings ability to think for themselves, then you will never eliminate discrimination whether it be racism, homophopia, or religious intolerance.

Not necessarily. Racism, sexism, homophobia, so on, are just advanced forms of xenophobia. Xenophobia occurs in humans naturally but its a value that is in competition and conflict with other values that occur and develop in humans. Which is to say that you do not need to eliminate an individuals potential for xenophobia to eliminate racism, sexism, or homophobia, rather you can foster other qualities and values, like empathy. There are also ways to do this en masse, as well, like some studies point to the rise of television as being a factor in making people less racist, because from younger ages, children who may not otherwise see diverse depictions of variety of people in their real life, could now see neutral or positive depictions of people from many new and different places, familiarizing them, removing the potential to associate negativity with limited real life experiences. I know you are a Superman fan so not dissimilar to how Superman's radio adventures took the fangs out of the Ku Klux Klan recruitment drives decades ago. A few recent studies on why and how people change their minds and opinions about homosexuality is when an otherwise homophobic person is confronted with a gay person and put in a position to spend time with them, their stance and position will often soften and modify to be more accepting and tolerant. Often what people assume doesn't actually match reality. People can be stubborn, but even stubborn people often change, modify, adapt, conform to and based on experience. Thus you do not need to eliminate opinions, rather peoples opinions change. Knowing why and how? Well expertise and knowledge about that process can lead to minimizing and or potential to eliminate certain ideologies. Not that I am saying that racism, or sexism will be eliminated anytime soon either. Just its not impossible.

I was simply giving an example of how to eliminate Xenophobia completely (thank you for providing that word, you always did have an excellent vocabulary). It is possible to change behavior through conditioning, and that is ultimately what you are suggesting. It is true that over time you can change the minds and the hearts of the people, but you can never eliminate a human beings capacity for hate. Quoting my favorite star wars line: "fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering" is a truth about human nature that has been observed throughout time. A natural human trait is fear. It is a necessary trait, because it is a survival tactic and it helps in ways at times to preserve our lives. Fear can be controlled through conditioning, but it cannot be eliminated unless the human capacity to possess that trait is removed. You can condition a heterosexual man to accept the presence of a homosexual man, but that capacity, that potential for hatred will always be there. For instance, two friends who have been friends for years and seemed inseparable can become the most bitter of enemies through one moment of circumstance.

@sc said:

Oh by the way, off topic, its great to see you posting! We haven't talked in ages, and also I have finally played Mass Effect 2 and 3 (I still need to play the original) but now I understand the compliment you gave me ages ago about being a Salarian. Thank you, it was a kind compliment. Mordin is probably my favorite character from that series.

You're welcome. I don't post much mostly due to time constraints, and you do make a fine Salarian.

#3 Posted by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

The main thing with the law that I do agree with is that it would prevent the offended party (i.e. homosexuals) from opening a lawsuit against the offending party (i.e. The baker). In a logical world, if I were a gay man and I went into a bakery to buy a cake for my boyfriend's birthday, and the owner refused to sell his goods to me because I was gay, sure I would be upset, but I would simply leave and take my business elsewhere. We do not live in a logical world though, people are allowed to open up lawsuits for things as simple as the temperature of coffee. Now the majority, more than likely would not attempt to do such a thing as take a bakery to court, but there are those who would, just for the attempt at getting something, whether it be money or the reward of having hurt someone who "hurt" them.

Now from an economical standpoint, I would be willing to bet that less than half, would deny gays services. The key point to any business is to turn a profit. If a business denies services, then that is money lost, and if enough money is lost those business will ultimately shut down, because they are not generating the necessary profits to justify keeping their business open. That is another scenario that would more than likely play out if this bill passes.

Finally, on the subject of discrimination, because of the argument that the law discriminates against homosexuals. In order for you to change the world and eliminate discrimination completely, you must change the "hearts" of the people. In order to do that you must eliminate opinion. In order to eliminate opinion you must eliminate free human will, and it is impossible to eliminate human will. Human will be broken, but not eliminated. The only way to eliminate free will, would require that the human capacity to think must be removed. You can tell a person how to think (i.e Present them with an opinion), but it is up to that person if they will accept your opinion or not. So unless you remove a human beings ability to think for themselves, then you will never eliminate discrimination whether it be racism, homophopia, or religious intolerance.

#4 Posted by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

@batkevin74: I'm currently working on a western story, and I think it might be pretty good. As far as Sentry goes, right now Bob's story is currently dead, but it may be revived in time when I'm able to put more thought into an actual story.

#5 Posted by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

@turbinail: Are you still accepting members into the group?

#6 Posted by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

@impurestcheese: Interesting read, and wondering where you're going to take it.

#7 Posted by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

Two. Write it down warts and all. then go back and edit and change. Then post it

This is normally what I do, but sometimes I get really impatient and just post as soon as I finish the first draft. It's been a while since I've written anything though, and I'm out of practice. Anything I write right now is more than likely going to be atrocious.

#8 Edited by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really know. Every time I try to leave I end up coming back. A lot of people I started with that I was extremely active with aren't here anymore. I'm not as active as I used to be, but I can't say for sure when I will finally call it quits.

#9 Posted by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

I am happily getting married on March 14 ^_^

#10 Posted by Delphic (1680 posts) - - Show Bio

@sophia89: Out of curiosity, doesn't this all basically mean that Bob's powers are constructs? Since he whole-heatedly believes all these things he is able to make them real.