Why I Despise Injustice's Wonder Woman

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Two years ago, I became a fan of Wonder Woman after I had an idea for a story that I wanted to write. I asked a friend, who I saw as quite the expert on the Amazon Princess, about Diana to learn more about the character. I don’t remember the question I asked, nor do I know if I ever did anything with the idea that I had. What I do know is that after that moment in time, Wonder Woman became a favorite character of mine. I started buying books about her, I did all kinds of research, and I asked more questions. In the two years that I have read about Wonder Woman, I have developed my own interpretation of Princess Diana of Themyscira.

My view of Wonder Woman is that, like Superman, she places a very high value on life, yet unlike the Kryptonian, she stands apart in her personality. Diana is a strong woman who asserts her authority and presence, but not so much that she attempts to take over others. I understand that Diana will kill if the situation calls for it, as she did with Max Lord. If taking one life will save hundreds, then Diana would be the first of the entire league to step over that line. I believe she is that way because of her Amazonian upbringing, but that upbringing has never seemed to have over-ridden her value for life, and free will.

What Injustice: Gods Among Us has done is they have turned her into a figure that cares more about asserting her authority on the world than concern for free will and life. I first became disgruntled with her character in issue #6 of “Injustice: Gods Among Us”. In that issue, Wonder Woman approaches Superman after her liberates a Bialya from its dictator, and says after she agrees to call a press conference at the UN for him: “I will hear the words I’ve always wanted to hear you say since we first met.” This line alone shows that Diana had ulterior motives all along and that she wanted to assert her authority over the people of the world from the very begining. In the most recent issue (#10) of Injustice, after a foolhardy Atlantean soldier shoots Diana, her wrathful reply as she strikes Aquaman is “I am sick of words.” The outburst shows that her talks of peace are lies, because just before this happens she was talking to Aquaman, and attempting to convince him to have words of peace with the Japanese wailers.

Taking her Place

Ares provides us with a sort of insight to this Wonder Woman in issue #9, when he confronts her in Qurac. Ares asks her if she will “take her place in his bed” referring to the loss of Lois. Diana does not deny this accusation yet confirms it by saying “I will be what he needs me to be”. She then goes to call the grieving Superman who has turned on his own values: “the greatest man she’s ever known.” The Diana that I’ve come to know and love would never say this, nor would she “share Superman’s bed” to get him to do what he needs to do. Ares provides further insight to this new Wonder Woman during his inner monologue after she defeats him in a humiliating manner. Ares states that he fears her union with Superman because she does not share Superman’s restraint, and that she is attempting to take away the restraint that Superman has.

No restraint

I understand that in the game story that this Wonder Woman is not supposed to be the Wonder Woman that we all have become fans of. I understand that she is designed to be unlikable, and we are supposed to detest her actions. That being said it gives me the sensation of as if the Injustice Wonder Woman is an impostor. The Injustice comics I have read are decently written, and this Wonder Woman is portrayed in such a way that the so called desire for peace she speaks of is an obvious lie. This Wonder Woman has shown herself to be a violent warmonger who desires power, and other than her ferocity there is little to connect her to the Wonder Woman that I’ve come to call a favorite character. I can appreciate the intention of the crusade of bringing about peace, but I think we all know how this enforced ceasefire will turn out. When the time comes this will be a Wonder Woman that I will be more than happy to see lying on the ground defeated.

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Posted by akbogert

@jpgman: Yes, that's what I mean. Personally I try to avoid spoilers but knowing that that's the explanation certainly alleviates some stress because Taylor has been writing this book so well I really haven't understood how he could get just that one thing so wrong.

Posted by Jpgman

@akbogert: Not gonna spoil anything but the comic did get something wrong from the game.

Edited by akbogert

@jpgman: Well the two are technically not related. The comic isn't really meant to be a prequel (especially as it's planned as an ongoing for as long as sales support it) so obviously there will be differences. Still, if that happens in the game, it could happen in the comic, and right now it's a better explanation than just "whatever, it's not canon, so WW can be however he wants her to be."

Posted by Jpgman

@akbogert: Actually I was talking about the costumes. They got like all of them wrong.

Posted by akbogert

@jpgman: Haha. Well my point still stands...maybe even is emphasized. They may share a name, and a premise, but the comic and game are pretty separate things.

Posted by Jpgman

@akbogert: I actually heard Netherealm didn't really want a comic, DC made it on their own. In fact, I think one of the developers said their reaction was something like "We have a comic? Cool".

Posted by akbogert

@jpgman: Sounds about right.

As it stands, I just really hope that particular game element is going to make its way into the comic; OP lays forth a very compelling argument for why.

Posted by w0nd

@jpgman said:

@akbogert: Actually I was talking about the costumes. They got like all of them wrong.

I think later issues update them though? I have seen images from it being released on ign, and the pages were from issues that weren't even out yet. I could be wrong but the pages I saw were Batman visiting superman in what appears to be his city or white house or what ever, with soldiers and the house of El crest on Flags, with him being an actual dictator or leader, and his costume seems to be the one from the game.

Edited by drgnx

Well. it is official, Her and Superman beat a young, and clearly, inferior hero till he was crippled, because he tried to stop them from breaking up a non-hostile protest in a foreign country.

Edited by Akindoodle

@drgnx said:

Well. it is official, Her and Superman beat a young, and clearly, inferior hero till he was crippled, because he tried to stop them from breaking up a non-hostile protest in a foreign country.

Oh wow. Really? Did the kid make it?

Posted by drgnx

@akindoodle:

Yes, Batman called an ambulance. Flash stood there and watched, but now is ashamed. That is mainly what the last issue was about.

Edited by SNascimento

Evil Wondie is just too much fun.

Posted by Akindoodle

@drgnx: ....o.o... me likey!

Evil Wondie is just too much fun.

Precisely! I think they're "Watchmen"-ing it up!

Posted by Evil Incarnate

@jphulk26: Your spoiler didn't work and you many have ruined the surprised for some.

@akbogert said:

See this debate is still raging. Aside from the people who just dislike the Injustice premise in general (I'm sorry, but you can't have a perfect Superman in this story and have it make any sense, so yeah, he's going to get his hands dirty), I think the real issue is that while other characters are behaving differently because of extreme stimuli pushing them to act that way, Wonder Woman is just acting really OOC with no clear reason for doing so. Superman's behavior makes sense in the context of the extreme nature of what happened - he really killed his wife and unborn child, and he really wiped out the entire city of Metropolis. But what's Diana's excuse for being "whatever he needs me to be"?

If the spoiler which has surfaced in this thread is accurate, then that helps a lot and it will make people's complaints go away. Until it does, people getting upset over her representation -- the most glaring deviance from canon -- makes sense.

It makes perfect sense for that Wonder Woman. People forget that this isn't the standard universe's version for all we know she's always felt that way and it's just coming to the surface. As I keep saying the reason that so many can't appreciate it is because they won't allow themselves to see Diana through someone else's eyes.

Posted by Wboy

It's like getting angry over a fanfic. I mean come on now

Posted by akbogert

@evil_incarnate: But that's just the point. She is the only character whose behavior is entirely incompatible with "the real" Wonder Woman. Even if you believe that Superman would never kill, under any circumstances at all, ever, his actions are at least understandable within the context of the story -- they're as believable as any story involving Superman killing someone ever could be. So this new version is different, but you watched him start out as the Superman you knew and then saw him change into this one who is increasingly different. But Wonder Woman has just been completely different all the way through, and said some things that the "real" Wonder Woman would be loathe to say, because they are directly contradictory of who she is and why people value her, and unlike Superman, who at least had a clear reason for acting contrary to how he would, and who naturally evolved into that, she just is different.

I understand your point but I simply don't accept it. All of these characters are stretched versions of their real selves, but Wonder Woman is nigh unrecognizable. Saying she's more changed than the others is not something you need to try to disprove.

Posted by SupremeHyperion

ya, I'm not a big fan of how they did wonder-woman in the injustice game. she whas who I first used in the demo and after finishing the demo I realized I'd never use her again. I really hope this game has different enterances and ending animations for each character or else it will get real old real quick.

Posted by Evil Incarnate

@akbogert said:

@evil_incarnate: But that's just the point. She is the only character whose behavior is entirely incompatible with "the real" Wonder Woman. Even if you believe that Superman would never kill, under any circumstances at all, ever, his actions are at least understandable within the context of the story -- they're as believable as any story involving Superman killing someone ever could be. So this new version is different, but you watched him start out as the Superman you knew and then saw him change into this one who is increasingly different. But Wonder Woman has just been completely different all the way through, and said some things that the "real" Wonder Woman would be loathe to say, because they are directly contradictory of who she is and why people value her, and unlike Superman, who at least had a clear reason for acting contrary to how he would, and who naturally evolved into that, she just is different.

I understand your point but I simply don't accept it. All of these characters are stretched versions of their real selves, but Wonder Woman is nigh unrecognizable. Saying she's more changed than the others is not something you need to try to disprove.

Let's stop and think for a moment. What do you know of this version of Superman before he killed the Joker? You know like I do that he was married to Lois Lane. Now did it take him the same amount of time as it did in the cannon universe to marry her? Did they have a child in the cannon universe? If they did have a child in the cannon universe would she have had the same kid in this Elseworld comic? Could it have been a girl instead of a boy or vice versa?

What do you know about this version of Wonder Woman before these events took place? Did Wonder Woman come to America with Steve Trevor? Did this Wonder Woman ever have romantic interest in Superman and if so did she ever express them? Did she have a romantic relationship with Batman? Has she ever displayed jealousy towards Lois?

There's no point in you attempting to answer any of these questions because you nor I know, why is that? Because we were all given the same amount of limited knowledge of these versions of our favorite characters. The story started without giving us any back history of the Justice League members. Meaning that somethings can be the same as in the cannon universe and somethings can be different. Now whether that difference is just a tad bit askew or totally different in comparison has yet to be fully seen.

You've done what many readers have done given limited knowledge of them, which is you substituted what you don't know about these versions with what you do know about the cannon universe. While this might be a natural instinct for many it doesn't make it any less illogical.

Let's break this down and simplify it. You know for a fact that this is an Elseworld comic and with that things will be different and not completely the same this includes, but is not limited to hair color, height, powers, people, etc, however despite that knowledge you're complaining that she's different. Different to whom? Different than the Wonder Woman of the cannon universe, which we knew would be a possibility and therefore it doesn't matter or different to the Wonder Woman of the Elseworld universe, which you nor any other reader has a previous knowledge of?

You like many readers whom are complaining and are refusing to accept this version as cannon to this specific universe have unfounded and unjustifiable complaints. You were given fair warning that this would be different and because the difference isn't something you find favorable you're saying she's evil, etc. Is she not fighting for peace? Did she alongside Superman not call for a ceasefire between nations? Did she kill the soldiers in the tank or did she allow them to live? She's different to the cannon universe Wonder Woman this we know and this is what we expected in some way, but you're refusing to acknowledge this Wonder Woman as she is in this specific universe because of your lack of imagination because you and many others like you can't or won't see past what you expect of her.

The same could be said of Flashpoint Wonder Woman. In that reality she waged war, conquered the U.K., killed Steve Trevor and fought physically on even ground with Aquaman. Did you read that and accept it as an alternate timeline and therefore true or did you mentally discredit all of the events along the way by comparing them to the cannon timeline? In short you've already summed up that you refuse to accept this portrayal of her, which further solidifies my previous point that people need to become better readers and expand their imaginations.

Posted by akbogert

@evil_incarnate: Well, I have no desire to argue with you over this. Taken every other character's differences in behavior between Injustice portrayal and canon, the deviation is observably greater with WW than any other character. You have not endeavored to disprove this claim, which is likely wise, because you'd likely fail.

I have no great desire to defend anything here. The fact that the game features an alternate-universe version of WW who may have ulterior motives, and that such a thing would in fact make a tremendous amount of sense based on how the comic version has acted, may mean nothing. But consider how absurd that whole rant you just gave will seem if it turns out she wasn't Wonder Woman all along?

The thing that sets apart this book as so good is that it's believable. Yes, in an elseworlds book "anything can happen," but the intriguing thing about Injustice is that you can actually see how these events would happen -- as if they flowed naturally from canon into this storyline. The thing is, the rest of the characters can have their canon history intact and still act and speak as they have in Injustice -- either easily, or with only mild strain of imagination. Wonder Woman alone breaks that statement -- she sticks out as speaking not just differently, but antithetically to the things the very core idea of Wonder Woman as a character is about. She refused to deliver news to Clark which would have brokered peace and saved lives. I'm sorry, but that is a bit too much for my imagination.

But like I said, it really does not matter to me. I enjoy this book quite a bit. I don't care whether the depictions are accurate. But my appreciation of the book has not clouded my judgment as to whether the accuracy is there. And I see it missing in Diana in a way it is present in everyone else. If you dispute that, that's your prerogative. I make no snap judgments -- I see only that with each issue, she becomes a more loathsome character to me any many others, and I do not understand why.

I'm not saying "don't answer this," but if you do, and seek to argue, I will warn you I have no reply. I legitimately do not care.

Posted by Stormbox

Well its not like it matters anyway

Posted by Evil Incarnate

@akbogert said:

@evil_incarnate: Well, I have no desire to argue with you over this. Taken every other character's differences in behavior between Injustice portrayal and canon, the deviation is observably greater with WW than any other character. You have not endeavored to disprove this claim, which is likely wise, because you'd likely fail.

I have no great desire to defend anything here. The fact that the game features an alternate-universe version of WW who may have ulterior motives, and that such a thing would in fact make a tremendous amount of sense based on how the comic version has acted, may mean nothing. But consider how absurd that whole rant you just gave will seem if it turns out she wasn't Wonder Woman all along?

The thing that sets apart this book as so good is that it's believable. Yes, in an elseworlds book "anything can happen," but the intriguing thing about Injustice is that you can actually see how these events would happen -- as if they flowed naturally from canon into this storyline. The thing is, the rest of the characters can have their canon history intact and still act and speak as they have in Injustice -- either easily, or with only mild strain of imagination. Wonder Woman alone breaks that statement -- she sticks out as speaking not just differently, but antithetically to the things the very core idea of Wonder Woman as a character is about. She refused to deliver news to Clark which would have brokered peace and saved lives. I'm sorry, but that is a bit too much for my imagination.

But like I said, it really does not matter to me. I enjoy this book quite a bit. I don't care whether the depictions are accurate. But my appreciation of the book has not clouded my judgment as to whether the accuracy is there. And I see it missing in Diana in a way it is present in everyone else. If you dispute that, that's your prerogative. I make no snap judgments -- I see only that with each issue, she becomes a more loathsome character to me any many others, and I do not understand why.

I'm not saying "don't answer this," but if you do, and seek to argue, I will warn you I have no reply. I legitimately do not care.

The whole point of Elseworld comics is to be able to play around with characters in ways that would "ruin" the canonical timeline. By comparing both timelines Wonder Woman seems the most different of any character, but even if the big reveal is that she's in fact a doppelganger where would the "aha moment" lie? As none of us have any previous knowledge of this Wonder Woman to compare her actions to it's not as if any of us could clearly say this isn't the real her because she doesn't act like the real her. For that we'd have to rely on the other characters analysis of her behavior. Clearly many want this to not be the real her as her character in this doesn't sit right with them and the explanation that it wasn't her all along would calm their minds and uphold the image they've built for her within their minds.

Also I see many going back to the point that she didn't fully tell Superman what Aquaman said as if this holds some sort of significance as whether or not she's truly evil. There are two things he said one to seek his counsel and two that he was sorry about Lois. If this version is truly in love with Superman and wants to be with him then reminding him of his dead wife whom he accidentally killed along with their child isn't the best way to go about getting him to love you too. At most she's being selfish in this moment. Furthermore none of what she left out would/could have saved lives as the battle with Atlantis already ended and she informed Superman that Aquaman agreed to stand down. Thus ending the battle and prompted Superman to return Atlantis.

There are many heroes that are blindly following Superman (Flash, Captain Marvel, etc) because he's hurt and angry and they feel the utmost sympathy for him and perhaps are also fed up with stopping problems once they've already started instead of preventing them, yet no one calls them evil.

Posted by drgnx

I wonder if this mean that Superman was keeping her in check, since she said at the beginning that had been waiting for Superman to give that speech, and even helped get him in the mindset to give said speech. This puts her on par with people who only follow the because of the consequences, as soon as you take away the law, they would let loose.

Posted by Press Oblivion

I just finished the story mode and it's very well done. Wonder Woman is not what we've been lead to believe. There's plenty to hate and plenty to love. . . give it a chance :D

Posted by theOVOXO

@press_oblivion: That speech Wonder Woman made in her chapter after she defeated herself, was very well executed.

Edited by k4tzm4n

She refused to deliver news to Clark which would have brokered peace and saved lives. I'm sorry, but that is a bit too much for my imagination.

To be fair, she did hesitate in that moment. While I agree it's a sleazy move on her part, I believe she did so because she firmly believes Aquaman would only serve as an obstacle in what they're trying to accomplish.

Also, did her remarks in JL #19 remind anyone else of Injustice?

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Edited by w0nd

So after playing it (if you even bothered to) what is your updated take on this "ruined" wonder woman, since there was more to it than her just being written this way for the game? As for her personality the more I read the more I don't see why people complain about the actions in the game when they thought she was the main one.

She told Clark he was a stupid idiot for allowing the JLA to secretly erase doctor lights mind, and he should have killed him in the first place, this isn't the first time she suggested killing someone. She refers to people as rabid dogs that need to be put down and monsters that need to be killed. This pure nice wonder woman that was butchered by this game doesn't exist, and was only this way in the cartoon. The one in the game doesn't seem that different at all.

Posted by Delphic

@w0nd: My updated take is that I no longer care. The Wonder Woman presented in the comic is the one that we all know ends up following along with Clark's regime, and who also get's her rear handed to her in the game several times over as per the game's story progression.

In a way though she was written that way for the game. She was written in a way where she would be dislikable when presented against the regular Wonder Woman, which was really the point from the very beginning.

Overall though, I still dislike the "ruined" Wonder Woman, but mostly because of the fact that when you follow the story progression of the game, you never really feel like you are fighting someone important, and even in the big battle when you have regular Diana against regime Diana, it felt like you were fighting someone who was much weaker that what she was supposed to represent. So killing nature aside, I still don't like the Regime Wonder Woman.

Posted by theOVOXO

Wonder Woman in the game is completely different from the one in the comic. The comic tells the events that leads to Superman's regime in the alternate universe. The Diana from Earth-1 lectures Diana from Earth-V about how she views the outside world. To me they got Diana's personality spot in the game.

Posted by Ultra_beleco

I didn't read the comics, just played the game.

And I thought the reason she was acting that way was because she was in love with superman.

But now you're telling me she was just pretending she loved him...=/

Even Catwoman's plot for being part of superman's team makes more sense now! :P

Posted by darkman61288

@ultra_beleco: This Wonder Woman is in love with Superman's power that is it.

Posted by bloggerboy

As much as I like videogames they just aren't subtle. Nearly every triple A game nowadays is more or less violent and misandric with unlikeable characters. It's no surprise that Injustice wanted to tell a story like this even if it is a fighting game.

Posted by brettjett

THE TRUTH ABOUT WONDER WOMAN:

I think fans & writers (especially the fans!) have lost site of who the original Wonder Woman concept was meant to be. She is neither the campy & silly Lynda Carter portrayal, nor the hard warrior that is more akin to Ares.

Her original concept: Force adapted to Love/humanity.

That means she will fight, but her master is Love. And that effects how & when she fights. As opposed to the Aresian way, which is simply thoughtless, hearthless violence.

This concept matches up with Marston's advice to people....to make Love & Altruism your masters, in whatever you do in life--He called this Loving Submission. And to not let the Aresian part of you (the Ego) be the ruling party. Otherwise, you end up with discord, destruction, injustice.

Posted by brettjett

The true (& original) concept of Wonder Woman:

Force adapted to Love/humanity.