Anyone find it stupid how Joker put a decent against Batman? Batman has years of fighting experience and knows tons of martial arts and has reached peaked human perfection. Yet he can't beat a crazy clown?
This has happened several times in DC history, not all Jokers are bad fighters, some writers love to make him on of the best fighters in the DC universe.
Its more of a discussion on the different debate competencies of the different fanbases.
Generally, I don't see much intelligent discussion for the fanbases of Flash and Superman... especially for Flash, who kept invoking "speedblitz, speedblitz, speedforce" without giving a reason how or why. At least Superman has greater personality which leads to discussing the personality differences between him and Batman.
While for Batman and DBZ's fanbase, they appeared to give more detailed and more concrete arguments for different debates, be it battles or on the different characterizations and personalities in the stories.
Building narratives isnt evidence or facts.
Batman fans that build narratives, build them under logical fallacies.