DeathHero61

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Katara's additional source of water here, you have posted multiple moments when she conjures water from air and all of them aren't filling the gap in volume between what rain provides and what she needs to flood the place.

You're missing the point, if she can gather water from thin air, and her surroundings, she can stack onto her attacks and constantly build them up. The reason i brought up the factory feat because it shows you how much water she can pull from a far distance without even seeing the water. This is why I keep bringing up the Hama feat, because Hama not only is pulling water from the grass she pulled from other sources at the same time to stack her attack in size. This isn't taking hours to accomplish when there would be large puddles and rain everywhere, it just wouldn't realistically. Remember, she can flash freeze with no additonal water source.

This doesn't matter the way you think it does, and even then, this could be done while on the move like I discussed in my last post.

Lastly, to clarify one other scene you posted, her feats fromRiftwhere she saves people during rain is Katara bending right in front of an ocean.

Except she wasn't she was standing away from the ocean, meanwhile Sokka and the spirit had the ocean behind them, in addition by the time Katara intervenes, Iron was already walking towards the refinery.

Or if Katara bends more water than what he could transfigure, he could simply vaporize them with his fire magic that is powerful enough to dothisor simply teleport out of that spot.

Teleporting is going to have to be what he does, because he isn't matching Katara when she could use her bending to counter Azula's amped lightning. She also completely shut down Azula in the past with waterbending. and although it was night, and Katara was amped, she has the means to shut down firebending through blocks, and shut down her targets through environmental bending. So the flow of her attacks, with all the rain at her disposal would allow for sufficient counters to Grindelwald's fire attacks.

Summarizing it, Grindelwald would be able to transfigure anything in and around the place, even Neku's swords, fire, etc.

Some of Neku's attacks are pure energy, has he demonstrated transfiguring energy attacks? From what i've seen he's used this against certain elements, magic attacks, and inanimate objects.

Coming to the mechanics of scanning, from your own description about the Noise, they are still beings alive with a mind right? Not technological gadgets of sorts, so I don't see how this translates to finding three drones.

Uh no, Noise are astral beings, they are literally invisible and can only be seen through scanning, that's the point. Scanning isn't just reading the mind, I'll post it again in case the voters don't want to scroll again.

You also must have missed what I posted in the same section, scanning allows one to detect the unseeable. Here it is again:

While we are on the subject, you kept mentioning the disillusion spells and what not. That will not work thanks to Neku's scanning, he can scan for Noise, which are essentially the invisible monsters he has to face in his world. Scanning allows him to detect them.

This is solid because Noise exists on another plane of existence entirely, meaning, your standard level of invisibility will not work here.

Meaning, Neku will have no problems detecting the drones, Neku will also have no problem seeing the wall of flames.

These are essentially astral beings that operate on another plane of existence. What's cool about Scanning is that its not just to read minds. Noise are invisible monsters that exist on another plane of existence that can only be sensed through a player's scanning.

You're drones don't matter, and your wall doesn't matter.

Even if you are right in that he is capable of finding my drones, how would Neku know when to scan? All your evidences so far only show Neku doing one task at a time, not multitasking, like say scanning and fighting, nor does the ability seem to work passively like say Queenie's.

It worked automatically when he first gained the power, and he seems to be able to at least sense danger before it comes, like in episode 6 of the anime(16:05)

Top tier wizards generally use legilimency and Occulumency pretty actively both in combat and out of it, it also is a skill that sets them apart from good wizards. In a situation like this when Grindelwald seeking to save a person, he would absolutely want to maximize his chance of victory and that includes Occulumency as well.

Im asking about Grindelwald, not other top wizards, what are his habits? When does he use it? What situations does he find himself using it?

This looks really good for Neku, but Grindelwald has protected his mind from the greatest mind reader in the Wizarding world, a franchise with people capable of blocking thoughts -- means he should be capable of stopping Neku from reading his thoughts. If I draw a parallel here, Neku seems to be someone that can intrude and read memories of people that can shield themselves, which is very much what Voldemort did at the peak of his powers and a frail, old, out of practice Grindelwald managed to shield his mind from Tom. Even if eventually Neku proves to be too much on scanning, it will still take some time to get through and I don't see Neku multi tasking to keep up with Grindelwald's other magic.

To give you an idea of why these guys having shields is important, the main villain had to employ his own strategy to effectively brainwash the entirety of shibuya since normal imprinting(which is essentially TP) wouldn't work. And considering the description of scanning, its designed to get through any mind regardless of the shield, which is why it boosts the mental resistance of the user. And honestly I'm still not convinced that based on what you've shown that he would start with it, besides, Neku can still scan his teammates.

This is essentially losing sight of the forest for the trees, simply because we didn't see each and every move doesn't invalidate the whole feat in itself. The fight clearly paints a picture of what Yangchen was capable of and juxtaposes that with showing Toph and Aang actually trying to fight the spirit and accept inferiority during the battle. It's not the case of where Toph saying she is incapable of taking on Old Iron without even knowing who he is, she is standing right in front of him and the moment he turns his attention towards her, she simply says she can't hold him off. This is quite literally Toph losing a battle against him and needed Aang intervening.

There is an extreme amount of problems with this argumentation that is easy as hell to pick apart if you know about the comics, this arc and the TV Show and considering Katara and Toph's feats IN THIS ARC, its shabby at best.

• Toph has one of the best defensive feats in the entire verse from a non-bender in the form of blocking three fireballs from an Avatar Aang who was aiming to destroy a refinery
• Toph has shown the best raw power feats within the Gaang, ranging from matching Katara's ice constructs while she was using resources from a lake. To stalemating Bumi in a fight.
• Katara, who we both agree is Toph's equal(IIRC you mentioned this in your opener) blocked a punch from Old Iron casually with a small ice construct, meanwhile Yangchen has only been depicted doing so while in the Avatar State.
• Also something you conveniently ignored me mentioning is that right before Toph's altercation with both Aang and General Old Iron, Toph was unconscious after bending tons of metal to save Katara and her father for a sustained period of time. This is literally at the beginning of the Rift, Its a lot of scans, but for everyone's convenience, check out this link where you can read the Rift part 3. If Toph has the same tier of feats as Aang and Katara, her being exhausted, and wanted to protect her students are the only logical explanation, either that or its a low showing that can be considered an outlier given Toph's long extensive history.

I'll cut short about what I have told in my previous two posts since we are going back and forth on this - Yangchen was not going to win the battle against Old Iron, but she was still capable of knocking him down with her bending

The insane part about this is you are blowing it out of proportion. Also quite frankly, I already called you out on this in the first post, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. There is no skillful application of firebending that can be down to knock down General Old Iron, that Aang couldn't have possibly done with Earthbending a massive construct that matches his size while in the avatar state. Either you are scaling Yangchen over Avatar State aang, and are blatantly over the limits, because of that fact or this feat isn't as impressive as you think it is, since neither parties invovled could put him down with his armor. Pick a lane, there is no other choice based off the info available. If Yangchen did this with air bending, or maybe environmental bending, sure, I can see what you would be saying, but she did this with the most direct element of the four, meaning you would have to be implying she did this with brute force.

Even then, stopping the momentum of his punches entirely with bending constructs is an equally impressive feat whether you like it or not, and Yangchen only accomplished this while in her Avatar state. No analogy to forests and trees matters here, the fact is you have no information or feats to support your claim in a meaningful way, if Yangchen did indeed knock over Old Iron, then that means she outperformed Aang in the Avatar State, the only other explanation to make this work is to argue Old Iron got stronger which would line up well with your interpretation of Team Avatar's performance given Yangchen is the only one who knocked him down, which is an impressive feat in your eyes.

I'm going to say what I said before, Toph has actual mobility feats, has various options to get away from Old Iron, but didn't use any of them, Toph was basically unconscious a few minutes ago after her metalbending feat at the beginning of the rift, and Toph in the same arc has feats on the same tier as Katara and Yangchen, nothing you said proves anything, the characters we have been discussing are relative at best, Yangchen having a slight advantage at best due to her versatility as the Avatar. Fighting General Old Iron, who's only options of attack are throwing punches and tanking hits, isn't an impressive feat, your logic is flawed because you said Old Iron is too fast for Toph, yet Katara who YOU said was an equal to, reacted to Old Iron just fine.

This feat straight up sucks in hindsight, for what you are trying to do.

• The barrier was indeed raised by every single professor in Hogwarts, so obviously I'm not trying to scale Grindelwald over the combined might of them, I merely showed how the spell would act, but that would at a lesser power level.
• To quantify what the shield could withstand, I linked the shield charm casted by one of his followers - link. (Remove the '/' at the end of the gif to view it, since CV throws up issues). Here the wizard casts the more basic Protego shield charm to protect himself from a building getting destroyed. Now the version of barrier the professors used is a more advanced version of the shield charm, since they are casting the stronger version of Protego (Protego Maxima), strengthening the shield charm with an additional spell (Fianto Duri). To give a baseline, the shield barrier would effortlessly hold up to damage on the same level as the gif linked above.
• About the disintegration part, the disintegration isn't the same as the ones which you usually calculate. The same spell wouldn't disintegrate a building sized object or something, it's more of a style to show killing people. To further add to it, any spell in the franchise caps out below building tier beside one outlier moment.

1.Then that tells me nothing about the scale the shield would operate at under Grindelwald and considering you cited what was accomplished with that spell, I can only assume you were trying to scale.

2. All I really saw was the interior of the building being destroyed and portions of it being destroyed, even then, that isn't enough against both Neku and Katara who are in that tier with their attacks, their combined might would likely destroy the shield, especially with the rain bolstering her force.

3.Cool so its just fire. Not sure what the threat is then. You mention later in your conclusion that his fire is white hot, Azula's fire is blue which is higher on the scale. Not really as threatening as you think it is.

The rest of your conclusions are unfounded, but I will tackle them one at a time, since I am pressed for time.

• Yanchen isn't faster than Neku, like at all, as far as travel speed, he can amp himself to move at supersonic speeds, which not even Aang or Zaheer could do with airbending or flight respectively, he has reacted to Reapers who can create afterimages with their speed, and scales to characters who can react to bullets. There is no speed advantage here.
• There is no indication that scanning hinders him in any capacity, especially when he has been shown sensing danger before it approaches in Episode 6 of the anime. Scanning is also more than just reading minds, which means your entire plan falls apart at the seams.
• Raiden would have to fire off bolts of lightning to teleport the drones which would make his position known and make the position of the drones known once they are summoned to a new location given how his teleportation works. All this does is make it easier for Neku to snipe them.
• Neku has so many options to take on your team with Grindelwald being the only one with the flexibility to do anything and he's a point lower than Neku and much slower.

Checkmate.

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Saber is at A Rank and his offense and defense will be supplemented by the following factors that I will go over step by ste

• Haki and Gut Instinct
• Applications of Ranged attacks
• The sheer offense and heat of The Shard of Kagutsutchi.

First we will start with armament haki, and what it means for Saber to have it. First we will cover defense, for one, it makes such an outstanding difference, its the difference between being one shot and borderline no-selling an attack like what we see when Zoro triggers King's explosions but defends at the last second with his haki. As for offense, to give you an idea, it took the entire crew to even damage a pacifista, and then the heaviest hitters going all out with their strongest techniques in a combined effort to put it down. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji all one shot Pacifistas after their training with haki.

I'd argue that Saber's strength would tough to survive, Haki should naturally amp that as well. Especially if he takes it up a notch and uses conqueror's haki to further bolster the force of his attacks, and add another component to his assault overall, Conqueror's haki mental/spiritual damage to its opponents.

Even when its infused in the body for the sake of amping, it would still have the necessary properties to not only attack you physically, but mentally and spiritually as well, making for an incredibly stacked offense. The difference between regular armament haki and Conqueror's Coating is night and day on top of that esoteric mental aspect to it.

Haki attacks the mental, but the NP Saber is using will not only wear down opponents through intense heat, but it will wear down one's soul due to its nature as a Zanpaktou, the reiatsu or for those who don't know "spiritual pressure". This energy that affects the soul will radiate all over Saber's blade and through his attacks while using his NP.

The most important aspect of this fight with all of this in mind, is Saber's range. Even without his noble phantasms, he has the benefit of abusing range to tag his opponents. Even attacks that persist after being launched. Saber can even propel himself around by using his slashes to produce gusts of wind. Even without a sword Saber can do something to this effect. All these sword techniques can be applied to Saber's NP to make more efficient usage of its energy and ranged attacks.

Anybody who approaches Saber won't even be able to touch him or land attacks on him unless they can bypass the passive shield that Zanka No Tachi: West, provides through its sheer heat.

And the sheer heat of his NP at full power is a match for the sun itself.

Combined Foxfire style and Three Sword Style techniques, every aspect of his attacks will have an additional layer of force and range, allowing Saber to sweep the battlefield. Saber's NP already has a ranged technique in the form of North. Using that technique as a guiding principle, combine that with a chaotic attack like the one Zoro used on Pica to cut him in half, or the tornado technique he used against Gatekeeper earlier, and you will have attacks that can constantly spread out the battlefield without losing force, a passive level of heat and energy that will either knock out fodder or completely vaporize them or crush their spirit.