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@jwalser3 said:

Everyone loves the edgy characters.

Maybe is because relate with them, or also, want to be related to them or fing some imperfection that they relate to, so they want to be like the characters.

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@wolverine08 said:

Batman is taken more seriously because of his grim persona.

That could be something, as kid I liked him because he created fear in the hearts of the villains, he was fear, and that was cool enough when I was a kid.

Having good villains helped differentiate Batman from characters like the Shadow or Green Hornet.

Having good media exposure cements in people's minds why Superman, Batman, Spiderman and Wolverine are awesome. Aquaman is still stuck with the Superfriends stigma. Once Aquaman gets a live action movie, that stigma will probably go away.

It would need to be a really good movie, but yeah, that could be also true.

Now I have only read a bit of Green Hornet and none of The Shadow. But I think what makes Batman more popular than other "normal human" heroes is the vast mythos he has created. He has dozens of unique and interesting rogues, support characters who themselves are quite interesting such as Alfred, Gordon, Bollock, his entire Bat Family etc. Gotham as a city is a fantastic metaphor as to how the urban environment can be corrupt and malevolent. Add to that his own accomplishments, the gadgets, the cars, the martial arts, the detective work, and Batman just...works. There's a reason he's been in the public eye pretty much non stop since 1939, he's more than just a hero, he's an icon and a significant member of American pop culture.

Thats a thing, but I also wonder why he got such chance and the others not, golden age Batman wasnt that spectacular, maybe Bill Finger design was what had such impact, Batman seemed more like a villain that the good guy.

Perception of the character by other people.

Well, that is also a thing, peole tend of belive what a character is from the first person they heard of.

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@jayc1324 said:

@deadcool: Well nolans movies were the most realistic of any other adaptation.

Well maybe they were gronded, but there is noting realistic on the movie, just by flying Batman would break his neck, the movies just feel in that way, but its fantasy.

And Spiderman and Wolverine are up there but bats and supes are still number one and two. Bats and supes have 75 years of great stories and adaptations and a fanbase that has been built up over all that time.

But I don't think that is because they are older, just like you said they have got different stories and adaptations. Just think, Spider-man and Wolevrine are probably next in popularity after Batman and Superman, why not Green Lantern? or Why not wonder woman? Just because time is not a a factor.

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@jayc1324 said:

@deadcool: I know but my point was simply that he's been around longer than every hero except superman so he has tons of adaptations, movies, games, and shows for people to love and has had a greater impact on pop culture than other heroes besides superman again

Well, thats something, but I don't think that time is a huge factor, there are heroes older than Batman and not nearly as popular, and Spider-man and also Wolverine are not that old, and yet they are so popular, even on par with Superman and Batman.

@hart7668 said:

@deadcool: Yeah, these are also people who have only watched the Nolan trilogy.

Nolan played a lot with hyperreality, making things to seem grounded, when there was nothing realistic on it, and the plot protected both the villains and Batman, also a ton of unlikely scenarios that made no sense, they are good movies, but no realistic at all.

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@humanrocket said:

@deadcool: people who give those type of answers are fake comic fans. They havent really read any of the comics from characthers that they have claim are lame. There is also a stereotype among people that Aqua man is a joke so people just assume that it must be true without actually reading the comics.

Well, some people can like something without investing on it, I think that recently because the ton of comicbook related movies, some people just started to like comicbook related stuff, but the don't buy the comicbooks because they don't care enough about them, and thats ok, I wouldn't call them fake just because they don't waste their money on comicbooks, they are as real fans as you, or me.

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I'm biased on aqua man I still think he's a joke. I like him when he's cheesy silver age like in batman the brave and bold.

But what is cheesy on him?

Superman is a different story I mean I had low standards for MoS so u know I was entertained. Still atleast for me I like my heroes to have some cuts and bruises like real heroes after saving the world. I think a lot of people still look at him as overpowered which makes him boring. He's and icon no doubt and the most popular superhero but he's also a one man army and can easily make anyone's hero look bad.

I also think that is a problem for Superman's character, but also for the Joker, writers make some characters untouchable, and I have seen Superman losing, but the Joker in comics has a lot of plot-armor, I don't know how the character can get away like that and keep his popularity.

@juliedc said:

I do think media interpretations play a big role. But I'd also focus more on what "cool" is. When I hear people talk about heroes that are "cool", I can't help but think that they are only looking at the surface and more superficial aspects of the hero.

Wow, this is a great theory. Thanks.

That is why I think Batman appeals to so many and why you'll hear comments like "Batman is cooler because he has no powers but can work along side and fight against guys like Superman".

Oh yeah, I have heard this one way too much.

But some heroes, such as Cap and Superman, require you to really dig deep in order to appreciate them. And some people either don't care to do that or are at an age where they don't understand it. In a way, this also probably impacts their sales in movies and TV shows as well as the willingness of studios to even green-light movies and shows with them in it.

Wow, really awesome comment, and yeah, maybe thats it, thankyou very much.

@jayc1324 said:

Because some heroes just aren't that good and don't have the 75-76 year history of batman and superman

Theres is nothing cool in any character, what I also tried to say is that they all are fuctional, at the begging Batman was nothing but a Shadow rip-off, he has grown a lot since then and a lot of competent writer got their hands with the character fixing them and making them what they are now, maybe that is another posibility, maybe Batman was just lucky and got writers that fixed the problems with the characters and expanded their mythos.

@hart7668 said:

From what I've heard, Batman is considered more "realistic" so he's better as a result while Superman is more for "comic book nerds." Because comic books are still considered considerably uncool.

Damn, well I hate when people take more seriously one character just because they think they are more "realistic", when there is nothing realistic in comicbook, thats hyperreality

@lyrafay said:

I think its the way people see them but then again they are open to different interpretations. Batman for instance, there is really no true version of him, he can be campy in Adam West Silver Age style or then there's the Frank Miller anti-hero whose emerged in the 1980s and then again in Nolan's version. Yet people take him seriously because he is human and somewhat tragic and can be related too. Superman meanwhile is meant to be light-hearted and god-like which appears to be less serious despite the fact he's a god and can probably control the world if he wanted to (Injustice, Red Son, Kingdom Come anyone.)

That could be also something. Thanks.

Similar thing is applied when you probably compare Spiderman with Wolverine, Spiderman's the fun-loving teenager and Wolverine, the harden immortal. Who would people take more seriously, um Wolverine!!

So you say that is esier to relate with Wolverine than Spider-man for the kind of people they are? Also that makes sense, Spider-man was made so "nerds" could relate with with, wich Wolverine could be anyone else who is not like Spider-man.

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I am mexican... I guess that people hate me now.

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@drmantistoboggan said:

You're sort of answering your own question.

Well... huh... yeah, but I wanted to know your opinion too, and thanks.


Basically, just let people think what they want, you can tell them why aquaman or cap should be more respected, but it's up to them to choose how they perceive these characters

I don't know, somehow, I want people to know the characters for what they are, fiction, an idea, and that idea is shaped by humankind.

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Slott and Ramos... no thanks... Sorry, even if Peter is back, I won't read it...