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#1 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio

The second preview page in, aren't those floating, tentacled destructoid things the same ones first seen inn Steve's vision at the end of Captain America Reborn? Hope so, cos I'd like some answers to that long-forgotten plot line.

#2 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays said:

@hawk2916 said:

I wonder if the bubblehead could be Ahab, Cassandra Nova or Dark Beast?

Maybe its one of the future brotherhood which would be right up Bendis alley to use that garbage.

Didn't think about Dark Beast but def a possibility with Bendis' obsession with morally questionable Hank McCoy.

What about Sebastian Shaw? He's been out the picture since the end of Generation Hope, where I think he regained his memories of who he was (or at least found the files on himself). He'd know all about sentinels given Shaw Industries involvement with them back in the day. Time for a comeback of the Helfire Club too, given the hellfire kiddies are now out of the picture. Would kind of make sense too, with all the Jean Grey / Phoenix stuff that's been going on recently and has been a theme of Bendis's run on the X-books.

#3 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: yeah... pretty much nothing. The only relevant and forward moving moment you listed was Beast discovering the source of Scott & Magik's power malfunctions other than that... pointless stupid and a waste of readers money.

Yawn. You don't like it, big deal. Lots of people do. To call it a pointless, stupid and a waste of reader's money has leaves a strong impression that you therefore view those readers as stupid too. Bit insulting. Forum posts like yours are what I tend to find pointless and stupid. Thinly veiled contempt, based on a subjective view on what's 'relevant', that doesn't add to the conversation.

#4 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio
@daycrawler said:

Kitty went missing in space in Whedon's run, but she was away for a while and it was only relatively recently that she returned (in comic time anyways - during the end of Fraction's run I think, just before Fear Itself). So I'm thinking that it's more of a 'just last year you were still in space' kind of statement rather than a 'you first went into space last year' one. Does still mean that a ton of stuff has still happened in a year / year and a half time frame - Fear Itself, Schism, AvX, Infinity, etc.

That makes the most sense, given the circumstances. But still, if Fear Itself, Schism, AvX, Infinity, and Battle of the Atom all happened within a year/year-and-a-half period how is the world still standing?

Yeah, good point. NYC would be getting trashed every other day under this timeline. To be honest, as long as the continuity fits together (more or less) I kind of just ignore the compressed timescales. I'd fear for my sanity otherwise.

#5 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio

Kitty went missing in space in Whedon's run, but she was away for a while and it was only relatively recently that she returned (in comic time anyways - during the end of Fraction's run I think, just before Fear Itself). So I'm thinking that it's more of a 'just last year you were still in space' kind of statement rather than a 'you first went into space last year' one. Does still mean that a ton of stuff has still happened in a year / year and a half time frame - Fear Itself, Schism, AvX, Infinity, etc.

#6 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@daycrawler: Ah right I forgot about his other powers. Sorry about that! He's just less deadly now... ish. It'd be cool if he only used his natural claws as a last resort or something...

I'm guessing that will likely happen at some point, in a 'last option / no way out' kinda way. Gonna be messy!

#7 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio

So how is he still in the X-Men if he's no longer a mutant?

As far as I'm aware, he's still a mutant and still has his heightened sense of smell, his claws, etc. It's just the healing factor that's gone.

#8 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916: I wouldn't have Bishop join S.H.I.E.L.D (because he needs to get on with his redemption story and the joining of any governmental body/team/organization or corporation wouldn't do him much good) or any other mutant for that matter unless the endpoint ulterior motive was to find out what Mystique did to Alison or for something else. I don't see any true alignment. Though you seem keen on pressing for this...care to explain why?

I forgot about Skids though. Another cool character that received the legitimate backdoor treatment.

Yeah, Humphries totally mishandled the return of Bishop. Was really looking forward to it and just felt let down. Mind you, he also mishandled the return of Cassandra Nova, Spiral's characterisation, Betsy and just about everything else in UXF.

Got to say, I quite like the idea of Bishop getting involved with S.H.I.E.L.D, though like you suggest perhaps to investigate some sort of conspiracy from within or leading a rogue unit on a save the world style mission.

#9 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@daycrawler said:

@oldnightcrawler said:

@avenger85 said:

We could make whatever theories we want to believe, but in the end it is the Marvel editorial that decides what is the 616 or alternate timeline or retcon/whatever. This decision that O5 are from 616 timeline was made and set in stone in the Marvel offices. Not just by Bendis, who very clearly indicated it in BOTA 1.

alright, call it a ret-con then, whatever, it's still an alternate version of the story.

Bendis and Marvel can say whatever they want, but that doesn't mean they have say over the whole of the English language, and an alternate version is an alternate version. They can't say that Bendis' version is the original version just because they've chose to change it, because the original version still exists whatever they say or do.

Hmmm, but what if the alternate version of X-Men #8 events does not conclusively mean they are from another timeline, rather that they are the 616 versions but after AOU's disastrous effects on the fabric of space/time it's caused random 'rewrites' of past events. Like small fractions of time and space have altered or slipped out of existence as the continuum fractures and tries to repair itself. The O5 may no longer be able to get back to the past because their version of the past has been slightly rewritten again, after they'd left, so 'their' past effectively no longer exists and the already broken space-time continuum is effectively stopping them from returning to prevent further damage.

It's link thinking of source control in programming (almost). You could create a new branch of the code and develop that differently, but in parrallel to the parent version (i.e divergent timeline due to something important happening / needing to happen). Or you can refactor the existing code so that what it does something different at a particular point now, than when you looked at it beforehand, because it was not working properly (i.e. space/time rewrite of a single timestream in an effor to fix itself).

I mean, if Doom can create a doomlock device that allows someone to change past events without spawning a alternate timeline, then what's to prevent the space/time continuum from doing something similar when it's teetering on the verge of tearing itself apart?

That is Awesome and it actually makes sence. I wouldnt made seeing the o5 grow up in the present and maybe not be so screwed up like their older selves. Also I'm starting to get attached to the o5 teens, their so cute. Damn you Bendis, you better not screw this up >:)

I really like how Bendis is writing the o5. Bobby is hilarious, Scott is has had some great character moments, there's not a version of Hank running around I don't want to kill for being a hypocrite. The last issue of ANXM where Warren is stuck between an arguing Jean and Scott is fantastic! I'm happy for them all to stick around for a while longer.

#10 Posted by Daycrawler (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@daycrawler said:

Hmmm, but what if the alternate version of X-Men #8 events does not conclusively mean they are from another timeline, rather that they are the 616 versions but after AOU's disastrous effects on the fabric of space/time it's caused random 'rewrites' of past events. Like small fractions of time and space have altered or slipped out of existence as the continuum fractures and tries to repair itself. The O5 may no longer be able to get back to the past because their version of the past has been slightly rewritten again, after they'd left, so 'their' past effectively no longer exists and the already broken space-time continuum is effectively stopping them from returning to prevent further damage.

So the All-new X-men's past is in the the 616 universe because the events of the X-men #8 aren't any more, due to that fracturing?

okay, sure. My whole point was more that they can't both be, so if the explanation is that one replaces the other as what happened, like someone mentioned with Iron-Man's origin, I guess that still works. But that's still at least a retcon, and they are still alternate versions of the story. But, alright, sure.

Like I say, it doesn't matter to me which stories are in-continuity or not, they all still equally exist.

Yeah, their past has effectively been overwritten / rewritten, albeit to a minor / subtle degree (i.e. it's not "They're all monkeys now!!!"). So the events of #8 still happened, just the wording and emotions changed slightly. Agree with your point that they can't be both in real-world terms and I can't think of how they could be in a fictional universe either (quick - call Hickman, he'll know!). Yeah, the stories still equally exist, but I like to apply a selective memory and go with the best or more recent version in order to keep a more cohesive narrative in my head.