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@awesam said:

@impossibilly said:

@awesam: You're right in that my use of weakness might have been an overstep, but so is your saying that he's resistant to magic. I should have said in my first post that Superman is vulnerable to magic (as opposed to saying he has a weakness to it). He has about as much resistance to magic as a baseline human does. Avada Kedavra would kill him.

Are you joking? Like I said, Superman has tanked hard magical hits. This includes Shazam's lightning bolts. A normal human would be incinerated. Also, I said he has a resistance. I didn't specify to what degree.

I think I would still qualify magic as a weakness for Superman. Logically I think we need to compare magic with another weakness of his to see if it actually is a weakness rather than a human. Let's not a forget that Superman is an alien and not a human.

I say both of these statements would be true:

  • A piece of green kryptonite could weaken him and eventually kill him.
  • A killing spell could weaken him and eventually kill him.

Also, would a Shazam lightning bolt kill a human? Have we ever seen that? I've only seen them transform humans into something stronger. I could be wrong. Green kryptonite does not affect kryptonians and humans the same way. Why would we assume magical lighting would?

Also I think @jayc1324makes a good point about the strength of the wizard/magician. In Kingdom Come, Captain Marvel was compromised by Mister Mind. Could the lightning bolts not have been as powerful in comparison to Billy Batson in his prime?

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@awesam said:

@impossibilly said:

@awesam said:

Superman has a resistance to magic.

Is this a new development in the New 52? Because before the New 52, he was definitely vulnerable to magic.

No, he was always pretty resistant.

Actually Superman was always vulnerable to magic. I am sure that different writers, write his vulnerability to varying degrees. The way I see it is if he was hit will a killing spell it would take him longer to die than an average human but it still affects him. This could buy him enough time for a counter spell to be cast or for him to be cured. A scenario close to this was written in Justice League #13 & 14 by Geoff Johns and Tony Daniel (so yes he is still susceptible to it in the New 52).

At the end of issue #13 he is bitten by the Cheetah, whose powers come from a mystical dagger she found in the Black Room (where A.R.G.U.S. keeps all their magical objects) at A.R.G.U.S. This turns Superman into a were-Cheetah. Superman’s mutation in the book is described by the leader of the tribe the Cheetah originated from, “We have seen this before. Some victims have lived long enough that they go into anaphylactic shock. They undergo a (untranslatable) metamorphosis. They become one with the Cheetah just before death.”

To save Superman they need to act quickly and put some type of (most likely magical) blood on the wound. He is saved.

So basically this illustrates what I said above. Superman is vulnerable to magic but probably not as susceptible as an average human being.

Though the real answer to the question is that Superman would die if you or whoever was writing the story chose for that to be the outcome.

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@impossibilly said:

@DaveT said:

I think you just stumbled onto another limitation of the ring. It can't make convincible fraudulent money.

If you're suggesting I should be upset that Green Lantern isn't able to defraud the US Government by counterfeiting money, you have another thing coming, pal. U-S-A! U-S-A!

Obviously his allegiance is to the Guardians O-A! O-A! O-A!

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@impossibilly said:

@ThatGuyWithHeadPhones said:

Okay after reading all these comments I want a sandwich now but I don't have any money

T_T

Don't look for Green Lantern to help you.

I think you just stumbled onto another limitation of the ring. It can't make convincible fraudulent money.

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#5  Edited By DaveT

I'm sure Kilowog would put some kind of space slug in his hoagie.

I'm up in the air on how I think Kyle's hoagie making skills would be.

@joshmightbe said:

@impossibilly: I'm sure Kilowog could make an awesome hoagie since he's an awesome guy

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#6  Edited By DaveT

Very good point. If a Green Lantern ring could create an actual piece of cold-cut turkey it could technically create a clone of someone. The Green Lantern ring makes light constructs not actual molecules.

But even if a Green Lantern ring could make an actual editable hoagie the user would have to keep up some level of concentration as it worked its way through your digestive track and well.... that's just gross

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@Manwhohaseverything said:

Not sure I buy that a GL Hoagie couldn't be real food. They can make swords that cut, guns that fire bullets, and so on. Why not food that can be eaten? I don't recall that ever happening, but logically, it could. If the rings work off will power, and you will a hoagie, why not? Now, it many not look real good/appetizing, but no reason it shouldn't be edible. If you will it taste good, and have sandwich-like texture, then it should. After all GL brick walls are hard, GL pillows are soft. I'd think the only thing out of your control is the color.

An energy sword could still cut and an energy gun could fire energy bullets and get the same job done -- because those are inorganic & inanimate objects. That is, they could function the same but not be made out of the same materials. The sandwich would need to be made out of molecules that the human body can digest & turn into energy (and especially, not kill us), to be considered edible.

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#7  Edited By DaveT

If Zatanna used the words "Eigaoh raeppa!" I would not eat that hoagie. She'd need to get more specific with her spell. What's on the hoagie? Is this magical ingredients fresh? On top of that it would probably be Zatanna's favorite hoagie not my favorite hoagie. Zatanna might be able to make a great hoagie but not by how you described.

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Zatanna could make me a hoagie just by saying "Eigaoh raeppa!" Because of this, Zatanna wins over Green Lantern.

@DaveT: Are Green Lantern's light constructs hot to the touch? I don't remember that ever being a case in the comics. Well, maybe Alan Scott's green flame, but that's different. I'd be more concerned about the taste of a light construct hoagie. I can't imagine it having any flavor at all. And the consistency might be like eating glass.

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@SoA said:

@DaveT said:

I'd go further and say Hal Jordan much like the "sandwich artistans" at Subway probably can't make a sandwich to save his life. If I had a Green Lantern make me a hoagie it would be Guy Gardner. That dude owned a bar/restaurant so he knows his way around the kitchen. Plus, he is from Baltimore. I mean, come on, Coast City? Do you think there are even good rolls in that city?

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Thank you sir. Thank you.

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@EdBlank: But the real question is would you burn yourself eating a Green Lantern hoagie? Does the light also generate heat? I mean, I like the jalapenos on my sandwich but too much heat is too much heat.

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@Dabee: Haha. If you're talking about choosing what low quality food items to put on your sub you are right. But the "Sandwich Artistans" are still the hands that are slopping it on your sub. I think that is part of Subway's advertising campaign, right? "Make it your own" or something? Which is pretty funny because most every sandwich shop lets you choose your ingredients. That's like a burger joint advertising that they cook their meat patties.

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