I don't know about any of you, but I liked the Witch-King and Mandalorian Wolverine the best
I don't know about any of you, but I liked the Witch-King and Mandalorian Wolverine the best
I finally got my old account back! Anyway, I find I'm forced to agree here. Except for one question: When did I take a lash on the comics? Just curious.
1. Yes, the dialogues were bad, but that has nothing to do with the VA's voice. But, I have to give Keaton some credits as well. After contemplating, and after someone reminded me that Spectacular was based on Peter's early high school days, I guess his young voice justify Peter's age accurately, and there wasn't much fault in that portrayal. Nevertheless, CDB still did a fine job in voicing both his quips and his dramatic moments. Scripting issues aside, Barnes knew how to manipulate his voice to different situations effectively, and his voice is especially pleasant to listen to in the scenes with Spidey (probably because Spider-Man is naturally more sprightly than Emo Pete). Whether it's soft depressive tones with sympathy for his Aunt May or deep, sore-throat harsh tones when he donned the black suit and turned violently insane (BEST. SCENES. EVER, in the whole show), CDB scored it well very effectively.
Not to be one-sided, I have also wrote (above) that Keaton's voice suits very well for the Ultimate Spider-Man incarnation, especially as a newbie hero both ASM/USM Spidey was in the early days. It just gets kinda weird when I see a fully grown adult Spider-Man in Marvel vs. Capcom 3 with his voice. *shrugs* I guess it does differ with each comic reader's views on Spider-Man's character, because I always saw him as a more serious hero with humor thrown into it. Like a child acting like a child-sounding adult... if that makes any sense. I mean, he's Spider-Man, so when he says things like, "I won't let you kill that man!" while saying things like, "Oh, gee, Chuckles, ya think ya could be any louder than Alicia Keys?" I feel that CDB's voice was able to sound like a grown man who could still have some childish humor to him.
Oh, and before I forgot:
Yes, she was ugly. :P But once again, that's to each reader's opinion. Like I wrote: Denise. Richards. Just compare their faces. ('70s incarnation of MJ). Nevertheless, I respect Raimi's filmmaking taste. He wanted to make MJ a 'girl next door' rather than 'dumb party girl that's more than meets the eye,' and I understand that.
Anyway, where was I.
2. It's not horrible. It's vintage. Like Afro Hair and Go-Go Boots. Spectacular's Doc Ock is based on Spider-Man 2's Alfred Molina's modernized Doc Ock (in terms of appearance anyway), not the classic vintage Doc Ock. But no, I'm not a nostalgic fool. I understand the need to modernize things. TAS did this properly with Chameleon and I have no complains, especially when they added the espionage aspect. It's Octo's personality that I am irked about. Different is good when done passionately. (On an unrelated note) Different is bad when it's done for the sake of being different (note the reboot Spider-Man costume). In Spectacular's case, however, I understand where they were going with Octavius' personality, so at least they tried. I felt sympathy at some point, too. But, like I wrote, it's anti-climatic and wasn't what made Octavius Octaviusly awesome. Not to mention somewhat contrived. A mad scientist who was an egomaniac from the start vs. a sympathetic doctor who became mad by accident? I think I've made my case.
3. Well, I don't know. Venom wasn't really redesigned to the point where it would be so obvious to notice the red-and-blue shades, considering they are existed only on the outlines of his body. His symbiotic suit was still full black. I only really noticed that in a screenshot my media center acquired, on a still-frame. But, at the least, they kept his scary-face. With Spectacular's 'simplistic' animation, it's hard to achieve the same gritty appearance. Tell me if this resembles the monstrous, demonic creature you knew in the '90s.
No, I actually don't hate the organic web-shooters that much. I only used it as an example. I prefer the organic ones, actually. Spider-Man without natural spider webs just sound weird to me, even though I know the reason why Stan 'The Man' Lee didn't put it in (his anal)... *awkward silence* Yeah... had to say anal. Anal.
4. Yes, Spider-Man was more brains than brawn in TAS, and that somewhat bugged me (pardon the pun) as well. But, like you towards the web-shooters issue, I'm impartial towards this as well, because of the reasons I've given. Spidey is more brains than brawn. Just kinda hoped that the censorship department didn't take over so much like a baaaaaad diarrhea. Ah well, that's the era I grew up in. Sue me.
5. I still haven't gotten to that Electro arc in my rewatch... and I personally don't anticipate to from people's descriptions of Electro - if not for The Red Skull's appearance. Still, didn't he make Electro outta the Super Soldier Serum or something? I have no clue, but if it is, it's not that so bad a move that makes it the utterly most horrendous move in the whole history of Spidey. That mantle belongs to Joe Q. At least Electro's story has some very lowly amount of redeeming values.
6. Yeah, I forgot how the exposure to sex in the American media is much more than the amount of exposure we get in Asian media... (no, that's not the reason why we have small dicks... which we don't) Not that it's a bad thing, of course. I mean, who doesn't love sex. Yipee. (Not being sarcastic.)
7. Well, I've explained what my view of Spidey is like in regards to CDB's voice in Point 1, so maybe you could care to explain yours as well. :D Because all I got is that Keaton makes a good young Spidey. I don't know.
8. I didn't say they were absent, btw. I mentioned that "I'm sure Spectacular also have this."
And again, like many Keaton's fans, you haven't explained why his voice is so great, where I've even went on to explain why I find Keaton's voice was... well, decently portrayed. :P
9. Whoa, didja just take a lash on the comics? Far out. :P
I'll admit, Gwen kinda acted like a Marcy Kane, April (forgot her last name, reporter in the Daily Globe), and Cissy Ironwood... Waitaminute. What am I saying!? She isn't anything like those bitches! Admit it. There was a special scent around her personality when you first read about Gwen Stacy. It's #31, which is around the time Steve Ditko was around, so I wasn't surprised. Ditko probably came up with the character for all we know, and there's a lot of originality in Gwen that's not contrived (c'mon, it's the late 1960s). She was the popular kid who was not a bitch. A popular kid that's actually human? Far out.
But yes, her Mary-Sue establishment was an obstructing factor... and it would soon be rendered as not that unique as well later. Writing a perfect character is easy. But back in around #31 or so, in Peter's high school (or college?) days when he was kicked around by bullies? She was a whole entire attraction booth on her own.
I'd also agree that the best thing about her was her demise, but not in the way you put it. The best thing about her was not because she was Peter's biggest failure, but because her death was the daring ravage of the pure. If "The Night Gwen Stacy" died were to occur in the gritty '90s, she would've been raped.
Nevertheless, I'm not putting down Spectacular's Gwen through these statements, but rather, trying to point out that the comic Gwen wasn't that bad, just as how I was trying to point out the '90s TAS wasn't that horrendous. But I digress. I noticed the whole Liz and Gwen relationship that occurred in Spec myself, too, and I loved it when I first watched it, too. Like I wrote, I have no problems with the script. The design has nothing to do with the script - nor do the characters. The characters do build up the script, but you could have anyone else playing out a hard-to-get act Spec Gwen tried to pull in the cartoon just as well. Get Mary Jane to do it. Make her the geek and nerd. Now that will be a change we never expected. Of course, there's the whole "different can be good and bad" argument all over again... 10. I think there was an article in ComicVine ("Is The Hulk the strongest of'em all?") where someone commented, "I love how people would compare how one thing is better than the other. Those are the people I label as 'fanboys'." Now, I am blatantly not the best representative to quote that, but I think it is fair to say that you can't really put a score to outrank either TAS or Spectacular. Each were created in different times, as were the '67 Spider-Man animated series. "
" @Joey Ravn: yeah, like "what if frank castle's family hadn't died?" but they still end up dying in the comic and he still becomes the punisher. so it was a pretty useless "what if..?" "I respectfully disagree. That was actually a pretty good what if...? in my mind because it serves as an alternate origin for the Punisher and one that I like a lot better then the whole "family gets murdered by mob out of the blue" bit. It also shows that the castle family can't escape fate quite so easily. Not every What If...? has to change the status quo in some major way.
" @Darth-Spidey: Does she come back in this world? "
" @Darth-Spidey: So what would happen next? Would Jason pick up tim and train him? "Well, as I said, I prefer to keep these open-ended. What do you think will happen? Keep in mind, Donna Troy dies, and as I said, that's when things get bad.
"Yeah.....that's all pretty true....but i think the 90's show captured the spirit of spidey, if this is one of the worst cartoons you have ever seen, you haven't seen that many. besides the spectacular spider man cartoon was 100x better anyway =p go watch that "
You could have mentioned how they portraded some of the villians a tad too stupid, old people being to Senile, vulture and slivermane having the same goals, overuse of the transdimensional portal/ neogenic recombinator and also how horrible the green goblin was. If I didn't read the comics, I would still think he's a corny-ass rip-off of the hobgoblin. I agree with all points but wouldn't say it was all bad, I would say that anything after half of season 3 was bad.
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