@lvenger: As I said in my post, I'm not saying you are being misogynistic, but I've discussed this enough to have seen a good amount of it, in fact I point out in the same post there that I wasn't going to aim that at anyone and I'm not. That however doesn't stop it from having happened. Here is the thing...I don't care about outstanding female characters, I don't care about outstanding minority characters, and at my core I don't care a whole lot for people in general. By in large I'm pretty anti-social, but like Abridged Alucard before me...I feel that I hate all peoples equally. So with that said I'm going to point out that I don't really care what Marvel's ulterior motives are with the female Thor. I do not care. Business practices while affecting the comics, don't really have a place when discussing if comics or the characters within them are going to be good or interesting. What I do care about are if said characters are going to be good or interesting and I don't really need time travelers telling me how long this or that story development is going to last.
So far the argument has been a matter of semantics. I'm sorry Lvenger, you and anyone else have the right to feel exactly as you'd like about this and how things are going, but again we have no idea if the character is actually going to refer to themselves as Thor and more than that if she does, there is a precedent in the comics of Thor's mantle being taken up by other characters. People are free to feel how they like, but this just keeps coming back to people being upset for the sake of being upset with no idea about what is going to happen within the story in particular and the canon at large. Marvel isn't beholden to anything except maybe their investors and the rest of us are more than capable of voting with our wallets for what we do or do not want.
@arthurkerr: That was the later retcon. So yeah, I read the comics. Oh and lets not forget that it is later quasi-retocnned again as Blake exists after the deaths of the Asgardians and it was him that brought Thor back from death for us to actually have the Ragnarok cycle broken series going on now. Also Donald Blake current being a head lulled eternally by nightmare creatures sort of again points to him not being Thor transformed by Odin.
@allaric: That was my point. I didn't call it a failure, asked you if that made it a failure...see the question mark at the end.
My example had two ideas because when Butcher took the bet, he was so confident that he said...you know what...give me another one. So not one terrible idea, but two. And that hardly somehow debunks to point of my bringing it up. The point being made and if you don't understand, I apologize for not making it more clearly, was that ideas mean next to nothing against the talent and imagination put into the final work.
@jayc1324 : None of that has anything to do with Marvel's Thor. Marvel's Thor is derived from its source material this is true, but your statement just now about Thor's name...think about that for a second. When has it been said within the pages of Thor that Odin named Thor? Within Marvel it is just as likely that Gaea named him Thor and even then the canon is completely and utterly up to the writers. The mythology nor the fans have any influence over what Marvel considers canon, no more so than historical Europe or Norse myth has in most Tolkienesque fantasy settings.
Whoa... no no no , you can't compare the relationship between Marvels Thor and Norse mythology with that of Tolkien's and Norse mythology are you kidding. Marvel uses the entire Norse pantheon and mythos , Tolkien doesn't even come close to doing that. Tolkien created all his own original mythos, characters, languages, etc., etc.. Marvel on the other hand has high-jacked Norse mytholgy, the entire pantheon of norse gods , all the mythology , Odin , Sif , Loki , Heimdal , etc., etc., the World Tree , the Nine Worlds , Bifrost , Midgard , Asgard , etc., etc. , Frost giants , the Midgard Serpent , Ragnarok. Marvel comics does represent their Thor as the Thor from Norse mythology.
You can totally make that comparison. Because while Tolkien created his own mythos, that mythos still draws heavily both from Norse myth, European mythology, and European history. His characters are unique, their circumstances and cultures not necessarily so. I for one get tired of the Joseph Campbell style examination of archetypes and themes but just because it has become tiresome that doesn't in turn change the truth of it. Also I didn't say Tolkien personally but rather I said Tolkinesque which covers a variety of modern fantasy works that borrow both from his works (and by default their inspirations as well). Let me just say, at the end of the day the writer only owes the source material as much respect as they are willing to give it against the needs of the story or the rules on the established world.
Marvel for the most part uses the outline of Norse Mythology, the cliff notes as it were. If you know Norse myth, then you know we haven't seen anything close to the entire pantheon in the pages of Thor and honestly at anytime they are more than okay with just making up a god or goddess on the fly. Marvel within the Marvel Universe does indeed considered their Thor to be the god of myth but that has nothing to do with the mythology beyond that being the setting. All the time in Thor characters fail to match up with their mythological counterparts and the in universe answer is always, this is the truth that was just legend or if not that exact explanation, then something to that extent anyway.