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How is he a non factor? @Dark King just told you all the stuff he does and you plainly ignored him O_o
and I cited links. but, whatever. >_>
its why I dont come here anymore.
I'd rip my hair out thinking how much time I wasted at school studying world mythology and I cant get a comic vine member to concede the most obvious issue of the greek mythology and concept of the cosmos no matter how well known and documented it is.
In the Quetzalcoatl video I posted you can see how big the Coatli gods were since holding and fashioning the earth and humans in their hands. And yet, they are even bigger than this since to the Mesheeka they were cosmic type forces/entities of the cosmos.
these Coatli Gods had more powers than Zeus and were multiple aspects of forces natural and supernatural.
When they can create gods themselves they are above the league of Zeus and shows the power level they are operating on.
@Dark King: you are trolling, i mean you're claiming the universe to be a some kind of stupid solar system, which is a stupid argument i must say, i mean if the universe is a solar system then how come hera created the milky way galaxy? But you pretend to be the mythology expert here. Just please don't make stupid posts and stop trolling
I am not claiming it the early Greeks in their myth and cultural understanding claimed it. yes, Hera created the milky way when Hercules bit her nipple. that was the greek explanation of the milky way. which was inside their dome universe/solar system. :/
the only one who trolled here was you from the very beginning from your misinformed opinion of a god you knew nothing about.
you talk as if Zeus is all-powerful and master of the universe he was the king of what had been made before him.
the Coatli fashioned the universe itself after they were created by the Creator God who came from the nothingness.
In the beginning was the void. It was at some ancient time in the Aztec creation story that the dual god, Ometeotl, created itself. This god was good and bad, chaos and order, male and female. Being male and female, it was able to have children. It had four, which came to represent the four directions of north, south, east and west. The gods were Huizilopochtli (south), Quetzalcoatl (east), Tezcatlipoca (west), and Xipe Totec (north).
These four gods began to create. They created water, and other gods, and the sea monster Cipactli. Cipactli was part fish and part crocodile, a massive creature as big as all things that now are. This was a consuming monster, a jaw at every joint. Cipactli was to become the source of the cosmos in a strange way.
Zeus is an ant compared to these gods. These gods need to be facing the supreme being itself. These gods tamed the universe and its various forces.
So you think giving you a crash course in mythology is trolling? whatever. dont worry we are done. bye.
@Jayfournines: Well i must say it really doesn't matter what version is it since Zeus wins in all of them because of superior feats.
Hesoid's Zeus can destroy the universe with the thunderbolt and he also destroyed the universe as a side effect of his battle with typhon
Homer's Zeus can do all that + he defeated gaia and typhon simultaneously, he is more powerful than all the olympians combined.
Pelasgian Zeus defeated kronos who defeated Eurynome who can literally lay cosmic eggs (which contain the universe)
In orphism there is a multiverse and Zeus swallowed it whole and defeated all deities in it and merged with them becoming everything and everyone.
Now Odin's best feat is perhaps creating time and earth but those feats aren't enough to defeat even hesoid's Zeus.
Quetzalcoatl is a non factor in this debate.
Keep pretending you know your mythology and ignoring context.
you didnt even respond to my post. but, I guess ignoring things is a lot easier than studying and learning.
this would be a more apt comparison to the greek Titans rather then the gross misrepresentation you are trying push here, the Chaos being the formation of planets with earthquakes and fire and whatnot.
this would be a more apt comparison for a Coatli god even though it is still grossly under represented. XP
And you have proof right? so show me that the universe is a solar system, i want to see the proof, and in orphic cosmogony there is a multiverse, there are infinite universes:
The basic Cosmologic priciples of the Hellenic religion derive from Orphean theology, as preserved through the centuries in the Fragmenta Orphicorum. Other sources are the Orphean Hymns to the Gods and the living oral tradition, which was never extinguished, although it survived underground:
The Cosmos [viewed as the infinite multitude of Universes (conglomerates of matter), within the infinite Space and perpetual Time] has always existed, is self-motivated, self-regulated and ever-changing (evolving)
The world is perpetual and consists of an infinite number of universes.
And Chaos and Aether constitute these infinite universes and there are couple of beings who are above them, so any multiversal being can solo Quetzalcoatl and his mythology.
the proof of is the cultural context of what was known at the time by the people who made the stories and what the cosmos was to them. The fact that Mount Olympus and the Mount Othrys is on earth and in Thessaly should be warning bells to you. but, if you want proof type greek cosmos on google and see what the greeks knew and understood to be the cosmos. they actually drew the cosmos and made diagrams to go along with their myth stories.
this is what pisses me off about you guys on here you never sat in a college class and took mythology or cultural courses and yet you come here spouting you bull like you know your stories and cultural context as if you have an understanding of what the greeks thought of the universe. you really think that their understanding went to what we know now? these guys concept of cosmos was simply order and the planets which sung music, and were in harmony with one another in a mythological reference.
The Ultimate Greek Cosmological Model
Homer and Hesiod:Chariots of Fire in the Vault of Heaven
There are hints of the Greek conception of the universe in Homer, who mentions many subjects on his two epics describing war and the perils of trying to come home after long absence. For Homer, heaven is a solid inverted bowl (Od. 15.329 sideron ouranon) straddling the earth, with fiery, gleaming aither above the cloud-bearing air. (Il. 14.288 `fir-tree reached through the aer to aither). Homer mentions the movements of sun (Od. 4.404), moon, and many stars by name. The fact that Hades is on the underside of earth has an important impact on conceptions of heaven: it is unlit by the sun (in Homer and in Hesiod), therefore, the sun--and by extension, other heavenly bodies-- must sink only to the level of Ocean, which is conceived as a river circling earth's edge. From it the Sun must also rise--though how it gets back to the eastern bank of Ocean is never explained.
Caption: Ptolemaic cosmology, artwork. The Ptolemaic system was recorded in the Almagest of the 2nd-century Greek philosopher Ptolemy. It was a geocentric system (one centred on the Earth). The heavenly bodies circled the Earth attached to spheres. At centre are the four elements of Earth, Water, Air and Fire. Then there are successive spheres for the Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. The other planets had not been discovered at that time. The five planets are labelled with their astrological symbols. The four outer spheres are: the Firmament (including the stars); the Crystalline Heaven; the Primum Mobile; and the Empyreal Heaven, the Abode of the Blessed. This is the system that was replaced by a heliocentric (sun-centred) model.
the cosmological principles from your link are not what the ancient myths taught nor are they the philosophical foundation of the myth stories. they are however newer philosophies which began to appear in greek science, studies of the cosmos. but, they do not go hand in hand with the myth stories anymore than the bible/christianity goes hand in hand with quantum physics.
learn the difference between what the masses thought about their mythology/religion and their understanding of the universe rather than what the elites were thinking and doing in their sciences.
you should do yourself a favor and attend college or a university and learn about cultural context and mythology rather than assert the bull here on comic vine where no one will challenge you.
@Dark King:Zeus fought the Titans on earth on a stretch of land which actually exist so not so cosmic to me. The Titans were representatives of various forces of nature big deal.
The war between the titans and the olympians shook the whole universe:
[The war of the gods and Titanes shook the whole cosmos :]
This written in the scriptures http://www.theoi.com/Kosmos/Tartaros.html
Hesiod, Theogony 681 ff (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C8th or C7th B.C.)you know the greeks had crap like chaos
crap like chaos? Do you know what chaos is? Chaos is the void of nothingness which is far beyond the universe, it is genderless, infinite, beyond change, beyond qualities, indescribable, it nothingness itself and yet where everything else exists, i guess Quetzalcoatl can defeat such a being (or void) right? But i guess you think if someone's name is chaos means he is directly on par with greek chaos, Ra is the sun, Helios is also the sun that means they are equal right? Chaos isn't just chaos it's just a name it's like saying a human named chaos=greek chaosso dont come here and pretend Chronos and the titans were some how better and on par to the Coatli abstract cosmic Titans.
Ok first of all it's either Kronos or Cronos or Cronus not chronos, chronos would be the personification of time not the titan king, second of all what the hell are you talking about, what is Coatli abstract cosmic titans?It be better if you don't know about mythology to keep from belittling one over another which you do know.
It seems you're the one who doesn't know much about mythology.
nice that you can use wiki. And by the way the "universe/Cosmos in Greek mythology only included the solar system b/c they were geocentric. again try again. the universe/cosmos to the Titans and throne was the earth. you really want to pretend and make the greek view more modern to include what we now know and call the Universe?
Quetzalcoatl was a primordial god of life, light, "stars" and is the Son of The creator god and the Creator God himself, The Creator God who also came b4 time and space the void ... what power does Zeus have to match that.
The shaking of the cosmos my @$$ that battle took place between Mount Olympus, and the Titans on Mount Othrys. Their cosmos was the earth in what is now called Thessaly:
In early Greek cosmogony TARTAROS was the great pit beneath the earth. The cosmos was imagined as a great sphere or ovoid, with the upper half of its shell formed by the dome of heaven, and the lower half by the pit of Tartaros. Inside, this cosmic sphere was divided in two by the flat disc of earth. Above was the dwelling place of gods and men, and below was the gloomy, storm-wracked prison of the Titanes.
but keep pretending it was more when it sure as hell wasnt. The Coatli Cosmos/Universe was beyond the earth to Galaxies. ahahaha.. keep trying to spin the myth of the greeks, bud..