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Was it always going to be under the "Ms. Marvel" title, or was it originally not even that developed?

It wasn't even that developed. There was some relay about what direction to go. There were several Marvel events that were in production at that point, and there was some question as to whether we wanted to tie this character into any of those events. It started out very open-ended.

I think it was Sana's idea, because we had been talking about the most recent other big, successful rebranding of a female character, that being "Captain Marvel," and the very interesting fan culture that's come up around that, and all the great work that Kelly Sue [DeConnick] has done with it. It was in the course of that conversation that Sana came up with the idea -- "Wouldn't it be interesting if this girl was a hardcore Captain Marvel fan? A Carol Corps person?" In that case, it would make sense for her as sort of a junior female superhero who really looks up to Captain Marvel, to take up the "Ms. Marvel" mantle.

Wait, what? Successful rebranding of a female character? Are they looking at the same sales numbers I am because Captain Marvel hasn't been successful at all. Maybe Marvel just doesn't care what kind of numbers Carol brings in because they had low expectations for her anyway, but when she's bringing in far worse sales rankings than she did as Ms. Marvel, then I don't call that a successful rebranding.

But they say this is a new hero for a new generation of readers. The same thing DC said when they created the New 52 universe. The big companies are making it loud and clear that anyone born in the previous century shouldn't be reading comic books anymore. Message received, Marvel. Message received. At least Carol's still Ms. Marvel in all the new Marvel games that have been released recently.

Sorry, but perfect_10 is right. DC has had plenty of female-centric titles and has been doing it far longer than Marvel. Wonder Woman had her own comic book in the 40s. Supergirl in the early 70s (before Ms. Marvel). Batgirl, Catwoman, and Birds of Prey go back for over a decade. Batwoman has been going strong, and Worlds' Finest is still around. And there are dozens of mini-series such as Zatanna, Gotham Sirens, and Power Girl. And those are just the ones immediately off the top of my head without doing any real research. Your implication that only Marvel is capable of maintaining female leads in comic books is quite mistaken.

But DC aside, there are other comic book publishers with female leads such as Red Sonja, Vampirella, and Witchblade that have far outlasted anything put out by Marvel.

Yvonne is still my #1 vote to play Ms. Marvel.

"Either you are a fan of the character or you're not?" What kind of nonsense is that? You can be a fan a character as written by most authors and not a fan of how others have treated them. It doesn't make you not a fan of the character. Just because you choose to blindly follow a character despite how badly an author chooses to butcher her, it doesn't make you a better fan. If someone decided to take over writing Batman and decided to have him run around in a pink leotard and shine rainbows at villains, would anyone who decided to stop reading not be a true Batman fan?

If you enjoy this new direction Carol has been taken in, then fine I respect your opinion. But don't pretend you're a better fan because of it. Carol Danvers isn't a real person. It's not like she could stand up for herself and say, "Hey! There's no way in hell I would put on that marching band outfit and call myself Captain Marvel." She does whatever her current writer tells her to do. So just because a "fan" likes a character as written by a majority of authors, it doesn't mean he has to like what EVERY author does to her. So cut it with the judgmental accusations already.

If only that were true. Marvel's got tunnel vision with this whole Captain Marvel nonsense. Put this book out of its misery already. Give Captain Marvel back to someone more appropriate for that name, and let Carol be Ms. Marvel again!

This is my wish as well.

What?? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You can call her Carol Danvers all you want, but this ISN'T the same person. Any competent writer who has written Carol in the past would NOT have her changing her name to be Captain Marvel or wearing a costume similar to his. As I already stated, 40 years ago Carol created her iconic black costume so that she WOULDN'T be associated with Captain Marvel. She is Ms. Marvel and she is proud of that. The current Captain Marvel book is nothing more than poorly written fanfiction. It's because I'm such a fan of Ms. Marvel that I refuse to read it. I've spent 1000s of dollars supporting Ms. Marvel, so your claim that I'm not a fan is rather insulting.

That would definitely make more sense than "Captain" Marvel, but it would be pointless for 2 reasons.

1. Ms. Marvel fans still want her as Ms. Marvel. Changing it to anything else is undesirable.

2. The whole reason for the change was so that Marvel would have a character named "Captain Marvel."

The best solution would have been to create a brand new "Captain Marvel" or use one of the previous Captain Marvels again. And leave Ms. Marvel alone.

I doesn't matter if Dan is writing the book. He's (unfortunately) calling the shots. At least one writer has tried to introduce Stephanie into their book before, and Dan flat out told them no. It wasn't even a Nu52 book, but Smallville. I truly despise Dan for keeping a fan-loved character out of the books simply because of his own personal prejudice.

The others already answered your question, but I just wanted to say thanks for posting that image of Ms. Marvel. It still stings a little whenever I come to Carol's page to see her still in the "Captain" Marvel outfit, so I'm always thrilled when someone still refers to her as Ms. Marvel and shows her in the black costume.