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#1 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@pperspectiveandreality:

1.It isn't because he never do it. Call that he is too hot-headed during the battle or something like that - doesn't matter, it shows different attitude before fight and in it. That is why it works against him - shows that Hal can't calm himself there. And it is also well known fact about him.

2.No, it doesn't. It shows that Hal HAD shield up when he met Hammond, not when or how it was putted on. My scans proved, that GLs doesn't have auto-tp-shields. BTW, in which comic it happened?

b)Yes, he needs. If it isn't auto-power (and it isn't going by my scans), then he doesn't have it from the start.

3.Oh, but he would drain/depower him, because he normally controls the energy. That is how dealt with his enemies in the past. For example, he depowered Cable when Nate had full control over his powers and Cable isn't even energy-type enemy. From top of my head, he drained Hulk and Uni-Lord. He used energy manipulation on other sources of energy to raise his chances against Proemial Gods and Drax to boost his offensive capabilities and ring is the only energy source to be manipulated here. And these are just ones of his most known fights.

4.Cosmic Awareness works. Period. Seriously if no, then here we have Norrin Radd, not SS, because there is no proof that Power cosmic exist in that universe. This is silly that we even talk about.

And Hal isn't close to Surfer when it comes to energy manipulation.

5.But it doesn't matter, as much as Surfer's creating black hole.

6.It is shown that he flies somewhere and it there is comment about his speed. Speed. Speed, so that he could come there that fast. It isn't reaction, it is no using power against someone, it is not defending himself nor anything like that.

#2 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@pperspectiveandreality:

1.Point is exaclty that it is not in character, since someone else could do it in first action and he never shown it (while heroes had multiple occasions to do it). It works more against him, than for him.

You also still didn't tell me how any of it would actually give win to him over SS.

2.

a)It is not. And it was never the point I made. I said that his telepathy, when used, won't be countered. Hal won't put such a shield, because he don't know about this Surfer's powers. Which means that in any moment of the fight, if Surfer would use it, it ends the game.

b)Because this human was planning to defeat a telepath. Hal doesn't have prep here.

3.No. This is prep. Any plan You make before battle is a prep. Anything You do, even convincing yourself that You have to push yourself to your limits is a prep.

4.Which means that they still have all their powers and it is how battle forums works. There is no question about that. BTW, there is also energy manipulation I mentioned and it will also still works, unless You want to say that Surfer doesn't have Power Cosmic, because it doesn't exist in this neutral universe, lol ;-D

5.This scan doesn't show that he boosts speed of someone similar to him, rather certain allien organism made out of many organisms.

6.Doesn't matter - it is comment about him making certain distance in certain time. Thor and Sentry (in two different situations) were able to fly 30,000,000 times FTL.

#3 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@pperspectiveandreality:

1.It doen't matter whos power it is. Hal never used it like that against them. And it also wouldn't give him a win against Surfer anyway.If it is in character for him, then please show me him doing it it JLA. And without prep of course.

2.But these weren't my main points. And Hal didn't block that telepathy, he say that he could do it and I have already seen scans in whicih Hal had to first turned it on. Also, from Your scans, it is obvious that he needs to create helemts for that and for that, he needs to:

a)know that his enemy has telepathy

and

b)he had to do it before Martian would use TP.

Two huge disadvantages against unknown threat.

3.Of course it is prep. He made a tactic, he was thinking what he has to do first, he exploited weaknesses of his enemies, he used knowledge about them and their powers. Very clear prep ;-)

4.He can, because he has Cosmic Awareness and - what is IMO more important - energy manipulators understands and feels energy. You can look below on some of his powers.

@jmarshmallow said:

@legacy6364 said:

No one should say Hal.

Except that everyone should, because anything Sufer can do Hal can do better.

Molecular Manipulation? Check.

Nanosecond reaction speed? Check.

Using Energy as a weapon? Check.

Jmarshmallow

Exactly opposite. Surfer >>> Hal. Surfer will drain Hal of energy and show me when Hal did something like this:

or that:

or that:

or that:

or that:

or that:

And:

Nanosecond reaction speed feats for Hal? I would like to see that.

Lol at Surfer soloing the JLA

It only shows how biased You are and how much You overrate DC characters.

#4 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

Except it actually did happen. Tom kalmaku had become the physical embodiment if Hal's ring and he executed Hal's plan. Which is why you see it actually happening with Tom and Martin on each panel lol

Hmmm... Ok, I now I understand Your point.

But:

1.It is not Hal. He didn't try to do it, he lacked character in similar situations.

2.It only shows that with certain tactic, JLA can be pretty easily dealt with. A specially point with Flash proves how low speed matters. BTW, this just proves how easily Silver Surfer can solo JLA. Since it is what actually happened, I will save the scans, since it also shows that heroes don't fight like people claim they do. Thanks. :-)

3.This guy had prep. If Hal would have prep, he also could try that. Doesn't mean it would always work, here are Lanterns that failed against it (right to left):

and I wouldn't put my all money on statement that Hal more often was immune to telepathy, than that he actually was controlled by it. Yet, in first place I called for telepathy as one of ways, nto main one (or even two). I even mentioned, that Surfer rarely uses telepathy.

4.Hal know them, but he doesn't know Surfer. And yet, he didn't actually manage to do this.

#5 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

1.Yes, Thor can do the same to Hulk if he won't hold back.

2.Minotaur doesn't have strength feats nor solo wins, so he loses this fight by default.

#6 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Minotaur doesn't have strength feats nor solo wins, he loses by default.

#7 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless these are Current JLA, DC should win. Current loses with even lesser Thor's lightnings. Pre-FP Superman would need top ones.

#8 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@tenebrous_guile:

1.It is hard to judge without looking on it.

2.His enemies here are capable of doing the same, which are the same ones that will surviving even being cutted into pieces (Surfer). So I belive that time-jumping isn't really an option.

3.So at best planet level durability I belive. Thanos should take it as I see. Others - considering how this works - possibly won't.

4.Ok. Other durability feats? Energy, matter manipulation, brute strength (shock waves made by hard punches)...

5.It is actually a huge disadvantage, because he won't know that Thor Corps, Heralds and Thanos will survive his cutting.

#9 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@pperspectiveandreality:

It is not what happened, but what he imagined to happen. These were only his plans, my points stands.

@New_World_Order: I guess so. Wouldn't his energy absorbtion basically counter Hal's entire power set ?

Yes, it will.

#10 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: Holy s*it, dude. You are my hero. There is literally nothing people can say about superman not speed-blitzing because he never does it. Kudos to you.

Most of it doesn't matter - flying speed.

Many of this - not normal Superman.