Art of the Lightsaber

The Lightsaber is arguably is the most prominent weapon across the Galaxy being highly favored by Force users throughout the Eras of time,before we go deeper into actual Lightsaber-Crystal Color Meaning and Lightsaber Combat were going to briefly peer into the origins of Lightsabers( Mechanics) and it's Forerunner-"the Forcesaber".

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According to the holocrons, the earliest Lightsabers were crude devices that

utilized an experimental "frozen blaster" technology to create an energy beam of fixed length."

Tionne Solusar[src]

History

"The Forcesaber was a precursor created by the Rakata, which would eventually evolve into the lightsaber. Users were able to channel the dark side of the Force through black laboratory-grown crystals which would create the glowing energy blades."the original Lightsabers were created by the Je'daii Order when they combine particularly advance offworld technology with a ritual for forging thus learning how to basically "freeze" a laser beam. Though these archetype "Lazer-swords" were woven into the Order's essence they were still in fact prototypes not well suited for battle or combat, and Jedi's continue to reline on swords and bladed weapons as these archaic Lightsabers were not refine for regular use in combat.However they continue to dabble in this new technology and around 15,000 BBY they redesign new portable high-energy blades;still these energy blades were unstable and could only be used for a brief duration before overheating.

Early refinements

"…these archaic lightsabers were barely portable; their energy requirements necessitated a flexible cable that connected a lightsaber's handle to a power pack worn on a Jedi's belt."―Tionne Solusar

Back- mounted Protosaber

Eventually these large cumbersome and very rarely used weapons were outdone by elegant and much more efficient Lightsabers-far from perfect however as these still archaic Lightsabers sufferer from energy shortages and consumption issues,as they still needed to be connected to belt-worn power packs;this limited the wielders movements and acrobatic ability as well as hindering the usage of Force powered and ranged Telekinetic Saber Combat. In spite of these Limitations and shortcomings they were highly favored because of their superior advantage granted in hand-to-hand combat especially so against Heavily armored foes.

Jedi Odan-Urr using a Protosaber

This was said of these early Lightsabers:

"Although Lightsabers are a superior weapon, there is still nothing quite as satisfying as feeling the warm spray of blood when one cleaves through one's enemy with a real sword."―Komok-Da

Despite the deep connection with the Jedi\Je'daii Order it was the Dark Lords of the Sith Empire that were responsible for the Evolution of the "Modern" Lightsaber by replacing the belt-mounted packs with a Power Cell inside the hilt an internal Power source was discover the long ongoing-problem of energy shortages were solved.It appears the Sith were also responsible for the creation of "duel bladed lightsabers".Despite all of these compelling Advancements in Lightsaber technology the majority of Sith opted for Sith Swords shunning the "Jedi Lightsaber"

A Jedi Civil War

A Jedi Civil War was set ablaze when former fallen Jedi Reven and Malek were turned to the Dark Side and invaded the Jedi Order with the hope of Building their own Sith Empire,during the the war many Dark Jedi rallied to to Revan's cause.It's pretty interesting to note that Revan followed the tradition of the ancient Sith by utilizing a Red-color Crystal for his Lightsaber. Revan's follows upheld this tradition by forging Red-Hued Crystals for their Lightsabers;thus the the widespread belief of Red being the "color of the Dark Side" was strengthen. Ever since the red Lightsaber continued to be identified as a Mark of the Dark Side even thousands of years after the Fall of Revan.

Galactic War

Also noteworthy is that when the "Sacking of Coruscant" took place in about 3653 BBY-which led to the Cold war,during the time these events took place nearly all of the Sith warriors and inquisitors wielded Lightsabers instead of fighting with their more traditional Sith swords which at this point had been abandon in favor of Lightsabers. Again Red-Hued blades were the norm for Sith-further embellishing the Red Bladed Lightsaber as an emblem of the Sith Empire.

Lightsaber Mechanics & Construction

Luke Skywalker constructing his Lightsaber under deep Meditation

I will briefly touch on Lightsaber Mechanics-For most of this section I will quote verbatim the mechanics of a Lightsaber..because of my lack of knowledge in this area:

"The components are fairly simple. Every lightsaber has a standard power source, the same type used in small blasters, even in glowpanels. They last a long time, though, because Jedi should rarely use their lightsabers. […] One of the other crucial pieces is a focusing crystal. The most powerful and sought-after gems are rare Kaiburr crystals. However, though lightsabers are powerful weapons, their design is so flexible that practically any kind of crystal can be used."―Luke Skywalker, to his students

"Tell me…how does it work?"

"On the same principle as my whip…when you activate that stud on the hilt, it releases a beam of coherent energy which forms the sword blade."―Den Siva and Lumiya

Internal Diagram of Luke's Lightsaber

Internal Diagram of a Lightsaber

"Young Jedi was instructed to memorize this mantra:

The crystal is the heart of the blade.

The heart is the crystal of the Jedi.

The Jedi is the crystal of the Force.

The Force is the blade of the heart.

All are intertwined: the crystal, the blade, the Jedi. We are one".

This was the "model" all Jedi Padawans were encourage to adopt,it could be said that the Lightsaber to the Jedi was a Talisman of sorts being intimately connected to their weapon thru the Force.the Lightsaber could be used as a mind focus. I should further explain what I mean: I always thought that the Lightsaber is a kind of talisman to the Jedi. A thing that helps them concentrate. The familiar feeling of the hilt on the palm, the buzzing sound as it should be ... I think these are all things that help the Jedi to feel comfortable, to reach inner balance so to speak.Some evidence for this can be seen by examining Nomi Sunrider's refusal to use a Lightsaber at the start of her Jedi training-and her Master Thon insisting she uses one; as a Lightsaber is not only a invaluable weapon but also greatly endows Force Battle Meditation and focus. When she later activates her Lightsaber she actually feels it boosting her Force Power.

Ice Planet Ilum

The Republic Planet Illum serve as a valuable mine to Jedi(and to Sith) as it was the principle means to acquire natural-growing crystals."Toward the end of the Old Republic era, Ilum was the primary source of most crystals used for lightsabers; this dramatically limited the color range, as the crystals harvested from Ilum produce only blue and green blades."―Tionne Solusar

It should be noted(as mention above)that one of the reasons Jedi's usually had either a Blue or Green Lightsaber was due to the limited color-crystals at their disposal. A Jedi would travel to Ilum and seek a crystal that they felt deeply"connected" to,this crystal would then be used by the Jedi to craft a Lightsaber-thus the blade would truly become an extension of the Jedi.This balance would in turn help the Jedi to avoid distractions and to focus on his attuned Crystal.

Ice Covered Landscape of Ilum

Meaning Of Colors

casually people will tell you that clearly colors denote Affiliation with the Dark or Light Side(this being due to us being introduce to Sith Wielding Red Lightsabers while Jedi like Luke wielded Green&Blue:Red meaning Dark Side and Blue&Green meaning Lightside-well it's not exactly that clear-cut,you see not all Sith wielded a Red-Hued Lightsaber just as some Jedi Wielded non-"Lightsided" Colors such as Red-However generically it's correct that the color Red was a symbol of rage\blood and the Dark side.Emperor Palpatine favored the color Scarlet.

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Art of the Lightsaber

The Lightsaber is arguably is the most prominent weapon across the Galaxy being highly favored by Force users throughout the Eras of time,before we go deeper into actual Lightsaber Meaning and Combat were going to briefly peer into the origins of Lightsabers and it's Forerunner-"the Forcesaber".

"According to the holocrons, the earliest Lightsabers were crude devices that utilized an experimental "frozen blaster" technology to create an energy beam of fixed length."
Tionne Solusar[src]
History

"The Forcesaber was a precursor created by the Rakata, which would eventually evolve into the lightsaber. Users were able to channel the dark side of the Force through black laboratory-grown crystals which would create the glowing energy blades."the original Lightsabers were created by the Je'daii Order when they combine particularly advance offworld technology with a ritual for forging thus learning how to basically "freeze" a laser beam. Though these archetype "Lazer-swords" were woven into the Order's essence they were still in fact prototypes not well suited for battle or combat, and Jedi's continue to reline on swords and bladed weapons as these archaic Lightsabers were not refine for regular use in combat.However they continue to dabble in this new technology and around 15,000 BBY they redesign new portable high-energy blades;still these energy blades were unstable and could only be used for a brief duration before overheating.

Early refinements

"…these archaic lightsabers were barely portable; their energy requirements necessitated a flexible cable that connected a lightsaber's handle to a power pack worn on a Jedi's belt."―Tionne Solusar

Eventually these large cumbersome and very rarely used weapons were outdone by elegant and much more efficient Lightsabers-far from perfect however as these still archaic Lightsabers sufferer from energy shortages and consumption issues,as they still needed to be connected to belt-worn power packs;this limited the wielders movements and acrobatic ability as well as hindering the usage of Force powered and ranged Telekinetic Saber Combat. In spite of these Limitations and shortcomings they were highly favored because of their superior advantage granted in hand-to-hand combat especially so against Heavily armored foes,

this was said of these early Lightsabers:

"Although Lightsabers are a superior weapon, there is still nothing quite as satisfying as feeling the warm spray of blood when one cleaves through one's enemy with a real sword."―Komok-Da

Despite the deep connection with the Jedi\Je'daii Order it was the Dark Lords of the Sith Empire that were responsible for the Evolution of the "Modern" Lightsaber by replacing the belt-mounted packs with a Power Cell inside the hilt an internal Power source was discover the long ongoing-problem of energy shortages were solved.It appears the Sith were also responsible for the creation of "duel bladed lightsabers".Despite all of these compelling Advancements in Lightsaber technology the majority of Sith opted for Sith Swords shunning the "Jedi Lightsaber"

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Art of the Lightsaber

The Lightsaber is arguably is the most prominent weapon across the Galaxy being highly favored by Force users throughout the Eras of time,before we go deeper into actual Lightsaber Meaning and Combat were going to briefly peer into the origins of Lightsabers and it's Forerunner-"the Forcesaber".

"According to the holocrons, the earliest Lightsabers were crude devices that utilized an experimental "frozen blaster" technology to create an energy beam of fixed length."
Tionne Solusar[src]
History

"The Forcesaber was a precursor created by the Rakata, which would eventually evolve into the lightsaber. Users were able to channel the dark side of the Force through black laboratory-grown crystals which would create the glowing energy blades."the original Lightsabers were created by the Je'daii Order when they combine particularly advance offworld technology with a ritual for forging thus learning how to basically "freeze" a laser beam. Though these archetype "Lazer-swords" were woven into the Order's essence they were still in fact prototypes not well suited for battle or combat, and Jedi's continue to reline on swords and bladed weapons as these archaic Lightsabers were not refine for regular use in combat.However they continue to dabble in this new technology and around 15,000 BBY they redesign new portable high-energy blades;still these energy blades were unstable and could only be used for a brief duration before overheating.

Early refinements

"…these archaic lightsabers were barely portable; their energy requirements necessitated a flexible cable that connected a lightsaber's handle to a power pack worn on a Jedi's belt."―Tionne Solusar

Eventually these large cumbersome and very rarely used weapons were outdone by elegant and much more efficient Lightsabers-far from perfect however as these still archaic Lightsabers sufferer from energy shortages and consumption issues,as they still needed to be connected to belt-worn power packs;this limited the wielders movements and acrobatic ability as well as hindering the usage of Force powered and ranged Telekinetic Saber Combat. In spite of these Limitations and shortcomings they were highly favored because of their superior advantage granted in hand-to-hand combat especially so against Heavily armored foes,

this was said of these early Lightsabers:

"Although Lightsabers are a superior weapon, there is still nothing quite as satisfying as feeling the warm spray of blood when one cleaves through one's enemy with a real sword."―Komok-Da

Despite the deep connection with the Jedi\Je'daii Order it was the Dark Lords of the Sith Empire that were responsible for the Evolution of the "Modern" Lightsaber by replacing the belt-mounted packs with a Power Cell inside the hilt an internal Power source was discover the long ongoing-problem of energy shortages were solved.It appears the Sith were also responsible for the creation of "duel bladed lightsabers".Despite all of these compelling Advancements in Lightsaber technology the majority of Sith opted for Sith Swords shunning the "Jedi Lightsaber"

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The Superman Paradox -How Weak is Superman?-POST-Deathbattle analyst

[Note:This Blog is under ongoing Editing]

This Post could be re-named:How strong is Superman? Instead I opted for the Title "How Weak is Superman ?"-The logic behind that is clear-(to me anyway)and Hopefully to you to after you through reading.[This Blog is in part my second-part reply to Screwattack' Deathbattle:Superman Vs Goku-it is also a compilation of my thoughts on what I like to called: "The Superman Paradox"]Superman is the epitome of the word "Hero"(To many)-undoubtedly the most iconic historic Superhero anyone can come across in "Modern Comics"(if 1930's are "Modern" or "Classic") Superman may very well be the oldest creation of a "Superhero" as we know it,and has come a long way down through the ages-but despite how long ago that was-(76 Years to be exact!) In spite of the time that's passed Superman has survived through the ages relatively the same-unchanged;the same Costumed(Basically) the the Red cape the Red Boots the Iconic "S" in the "shield" he still dawns the Red and Blue-that hasn't change,however His typical Powerset of Flight,Speed ,Strength -Though he has always retain some of these Ability's their limits and potency has change and quite drastically I should say..Now enough would the nostalgia lets get down to the real reason for this Post in my (short) Humble time of reading Comic-Books and more related debating Comics whether it be Online or offline in person,I run across "Fanboys" who say one thing while the facts\Comic tell a different story.Even more complicated are those characters that have gone through so many changes\retcon and such until it can be tough to wade through the feets-you know what a character can do and simply can't-Superman is that character-the character that Nobody(I used that term quite loosely)seems to be able to agree on-just how strong\Powerful Superman really is,meanwhile different Blogs\website\Fans have been all saying different things coming to different conclusion on his "true limit's"-some even suggesting he doesn't have limits.-Something Screwattack would have us to believe,it frustrating when this happens and for some time I have been trying to accurately gauge Superman Feets Upper\Lower Limits.I mention Screwattack's Deathbattle beforehand because their the ones to cause me to finally write this post,in their Infamous Deathbatle they pitted two Legendary Fighters together:Superman from DC and Goku from DBZ-now I'm not going to turned this into a "Goku VS Superman" flame war...I've already weigh in and gave my thoughts about that matter in my previous Blog.And I-like many have greatly disagree with the outcome..now before you jumped and call me out as a "Dragon Ball Z Fanboy" I would sincerely like to explained-to lay down the legitimate evidence that Screwattack like so many others are Simply Wrong,yes many would disagree with me and count me off as another "Lost DBZ Fanboy" But let me assure you that's not the case I'm a Real Hardcore Marvel Fanboy and I'm quite in-depth with Marvel-Lore and DC and researching Character's Ability's\feets are my specialty,so I decided to come to terms with Superman's Awesome Power.

The Superman Paradox

There are plenty of people on Comic-Vine and elsewhere that believes Superman is "Strength Incarnated" and that no Physical Weigh can bound him,no mass to massive for The Man Of Steel! I get why people feel that way Superman was created to be that way and though Superman's Strength has fluctuated though out the decades Silver Age\GoldenAge etc.His main theme has always been overcoming overwhelming odds-usually by great Strength...One might ask well isn't it the same for Goku? Wel not quite you see whenever Goku's faced with a threat-a Villain with a powerlevel a tad to high he goes off to train to become stronger.In the end Goku's getting stronger off of Training\Transformations while The Man of Steel becomes stronger because of the "Need" no particular Special training just the "Need" to become Stronger the "Being Push To Far' is what motivates Superman's inner strength,anyone who reads Superman Comics comes away with that vibe.I'm not the biggest Superman Reader yet I've read plenty of Superman Comics to know for a fact that what the writers are trying to convey :Grant Morrison himself as said "He's like a sci-fi Jesus." The point is well made,Superman was created to be the "Superhero Messiah" and as such he's viewed as being "Godly" You know Godly virtue,Godly Power.The paradox is just that -his very being is to do what others can't and to do what's impossible-Whether that be impossible Speed\Flight or impossible Strength-But the truth is Superman's "Invulnerable" skin has been cut-and point blank massive explosions(i.e Nukes)can also break his skin-He cant't breath in Space-and He was "Killed" By Doomsday-proving Pure Physical Force can Indeed killed the Man of Steel. I now quote from a Comic-Book Fan who says "His strength is still up there with the strongest of them I would venture to say and it seems the writers want readers to believe that Kal doesn't know the full extent of his powers coz[Sic] he tries so hard to control them. He obviously came to his limits fighting doomsday but we don't know the exact limits of that particular incarnation of doomsday, so it still leaves the 'unknown factor' about his limits. I doubt DC would dare publish any limits to his powers coz they want to leave options open". You're absolutely right! Superman is definitely weaker(Post-Crisis) then before-but DC always want's to leave the door open to Superman Possessing still unlimited Strength when the "Need" arise when It's all up to Superman to "Save the Day".This however to an extant is compatible with what we know of Superman's Physiology:Supermans strength can be raised of he needs to if he diverts Recovery: Superman's body continues absorbing solar radiation even after death. This energy may eventually return him to life making it virtually impossible to kill him Superman needs an Earth like atmosphere to breath in. His Endurance enables him to last for extended period holding his breath, but in space he will eventually need a space suit. His greater constitution provides little need for sleep, however eventually he will tire and require rest.In so many words this is the heart of the matter:Superman has limit's but those limits are higher then what Kal usually is faced with, also factor in that he holds back as not to Kill others+His body can absorbs nearly unlimited Yellow Solar Energy thus *potentially* he has "Unlimited" Strength I have to stress Potentially because that's still all in theory and sounds good on paper but isn't quite how some fans would imagine.Case in point:Hulk has Unlimited strength in Theory but we all know that doesn't mean Hulk is always the "Strongest There is"(Pun intended) He has been describe as being second fiddle to Thor(Thor's Top feets prove this) and heck he got wreck by Zeus..bottom, line Hulk isn't unbeatable just because He has "Unlimited" strength.The Same argument can be made for Superman- even more so because his strength doesn't just rise automatically, yes the potential is there but potential and actuality are quite different.I really like how one "Comic-viner" summed it up:[Superman is ]Strong enough to defeat the problem, but weak enough to make it look like he juuuuust overcomes it. And thus the Paradox begins

Next I'll compared Modern Superman's feets and rack him up with other characters we know to be Stronger and weaker..and hopefully you'll see what Screwattack got wrong in there Calculations

How week is Superman?

[Work in progress]EDITING

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Deathbattle:Superman VS Goku-Reanalyze

We all know the Deathbattle Screwattack finally release-and it's cause quite a disturbance In among DBZ fans;and I for one was really mad and Upset-but I've calm down and realize some facts.But let me assure you this Isn't some rant from another "mad DBZ fan" I have solid facts and I'm not being just "totally bias" in this argument,I love both DBZ DC and Marvel.Now first let me complement the people over at Screwattack for working hard and entertaining us with this Deathbattle it was obvious all the work and research they put in this battle,but one might think with all that research and numbers surely once and for all they finally solve the debate:Wrong..while they did do a great deal of extensive research they still got quite of few things off as well not mentioning some important details.let me get right into it:

DURABILITY: Ok they calculated his durability on the bomb Dr. Gero had built to kill Goku and the blast was also strong enough to destroyed the Earth I belived it was 53 quadrillion megatons.And that's find and all but let's consider he(Dr. Gero) created the Androids to kill Goku(and they did in the future storyline) the question is this:why would Dr Gero make Androids to kill Goku if the bomb was sufficient? I argue It probably was not sufficient to kill Goku.+Dr. Gero HIMSELF said it wasn't strong enughe to kill Goku.And then again the problem is this Android arch Goku,It's like they don't realize how much his Durability would have gone up between then and the end of GT.

Goku Tanks and Deviates a Nuke

In Dragon Ball Goku after fighting with Piccolo survives a nuke blast at point blank range. Goku has a power level fo 300+ (notice right )

You can actually see buildings being toss,and it's causing Tsunami's

(Notice below)

Superman is beaten from near-city explosion which doesn't even have the power of the KI blast Piccolo used

Frieza who was considerably weaker then Goku, survived alot of attacks. Most notably the Spirit bomb, which gathered energy from plants, animals, Namek and even the surronding planets. All that did was knock the wind out of him. Goku by the Frieza saga was already strong enough to survied a Planet buster-thus the calculations for Goku's durability is off ......and this is not to show Goku would rape Superman It''s to show Superman is not as "Super" as people like to make him he can be hurt by force and this proves he's not totally invincible.

SPEED

(This is the link of the blog I made detailing Goku's speed: link:http://www.comicvine.com/profile/cyborgx/blog/how-fast-are-dragon-ball-z-characters/88086/)

Now the way they calculated Goku's speed was by calculating how long it took for him to cross Snakeway,the problem here is who knows exactly how long Snakeway actually is? You really have to guess, but the other problem I have with this is: Goku was just beginning his training with King Kai he wasn't even close to being a Super saiyan; so this calculation has to be off by far.I think a far better way would be this:Goku traveled around Namak in one second and Namak is the same size as the earth.Now some of this information I've have already mention In my blog detailing how fast Goku is-so I'll post some of it here:He flew half way around Namek in a second. Since Namek is the same size as the earth(24,859.82 miles around) that means he flew at about 44,747,676 mph in base form.If we multiplied it to his Super saiyan multipliers faster then 17 billion MPH But were not going to stop there Goku increase from DBZ to GT is stated to be a billion.

GOKU IS A MULTI-SOLAR SYSTEM BUSTER. And how can I say that? Well the evidence is in a Power measurement know as "Killi" in DBZ-the Daizenshuu 7 states that a "kili" of 200-300 is enough to destroy one\two planet(s);Super Saiyan Goku fighting yakon had a kili of 3,000-yakon had a kili of 800, with this in mind Goku as a SSJ1(of course by this time Goku was a MSSJ ) could destroyed 15 planets.As a SSJ2 he would be able to destroyed 750 planets-as a SSJ3 he could destroyed 5,250 planets,and as a SSJ4 he could destoyed 52,500 planets.To verifiyd I simply took Goku's killi as a MSSJ and multiplier it by his SSJ multipliers-so saying Goku dosen't have the Energy\Ki ouput to hurt Superman isn't withstanding.

Ok we know Goku's FTL we know he has the Energy\Ki to damage Superman-now lets consider IT....

Instant Transmission is very useful and contrary to what most people think it can be very useful in combat,one of my favorite cases of it is when Goku is fighting Cooler in the DBZ movie:Cooler's revenge. Interesting enough the form of Teleportation" is preformed by Cooler,this is to prove DBZ characters can and do use a from of "Teleportaion" in combat which can be extremely useful in fighting-not just for "Travel".eta-Cooler is first seen using the technique during his fight with Goku on New Namek. He revealed it after Goku used it to dodge a Supernova. Meta-Cooler states "that's quite a clever trick", and Goku responds "Yeah, it's called Instant Transmission", only to have Cooler blandly reply "I know... it's of one my favorite techniques" (in the original version, Cooler stated that he was surprised that Goku knew the move as well). After this, there were times when both used it to fight; when used by both at the same moment, it resulted in the two battling in the dimension that makes up Instant Transmission. When this occurred, once, Meta-Cooler won the first skirmish in the Instant Transmission dimension by grabbing Goku by the leg and slamming him through a mountain; later, Goku entered it to save Vegeta from a crushing blow from Meta-Cooler, who had entered the dimension to surprise Vegeta.So Goku could very well use "IT"to surprised Superman and perhaps make up for any speed differences.

"KAIO KEN"

This is more of my viewpoint and stands from a hypothetical point of view:so I was thinking about Kaio ken and how it could still be use by Goku even though he long attained the SSJ transformations,I though to myself how the highest Kaio Ken we saw Goku preformed was Kiaon ken X 20 this was when he was facing Frieza on planet Namak, at that particular time his body could only sustain K-KX20 as a SSJ4 why couldn't Goku sustained Kiao-ken X 200?Think about how much that would Amp is power... possibly Thousands even Tens of thousands of times.

On another note I think largely Goku suffer defeat in the Deathbattle due to inaccuracy of measurements for Superman lets consider:There's more verison's of Superman then Flavors of Ice cream so it's very very impotent we know with incarnation of Superman were dealing with. Deathbattle claim to use Modern Superman that is 86 to now however they ignore this by using feats for other versions of Superman such as All star Superman which really shows the lack of Credabillity.Then one of the most major flaws they let Superman Sun-dip-which is unfair because they gave Superman an Advantage while giving none to Goku.Also they made like Superman gain such a "huge power bost" by just Sun bathing a few seconds while in the Comicbook they quoted it took Superman 10 mins to archived the feat of moving planets.Buyt then you have to ask yourself why would a Bloodlusted(I will discusse more about this later) Goku let Superman do that anyway?Also by letting Superman Sun-dip they are saying he's not strong enough to killed Goku without a powerup. Notice this comment from a Superman fan I quote:

"I've read both, manga and comics for decades and Im not pulling for one or the other, However I have to point out the facts. The deathbattle's info were COMPLETELY inaccurate and I'll tell you why. 1st. even tho they said that they used modern Superman in his "prime" they actually didn't. Superman, in his prime, was not as strong as they made him to be in the video, not only that, but deathbattle used SOME different versions of Superman( modern superman is just one version of him) and his powers and added them together in which most of those powers, Superman didn't get but after the version of modern superman. Now when it comes to Goku, there's only one version of him. Also, Saiyans DON'T have any primelife. in the DBZ manga, it's established that the more saiyans fight the stronger they become AND also, saiyans don't age at the same rate like anybody else because of their DNA structure making them the best fighting beings in the universe( thats why Freeza destroyed their planet out of fear). Thats why 54 year old Goku is WAY MORE powerful than 25 year old Goku. Another thing I want to point out is that both, Superman and Goku were WAY out of character making the" Fighting Mode" Goku dumb and Superman not caring about the earth by destroying it. To me as a Superman fan, that video insulted what Superman is about. Superman would rather die than destroying the earth. Also if Goku wanted to fight Superman, he would use the hyperbolic time chamber to "SPAR" with Superman knowing that they are too strong to fight on earth, that way neither one of them have or not have an advantage on one another but if I have to, IF I HAVE TO give the edge on one of them, "WHEN IT COMES TO FIGHTING" I have to give it to Goku because Superman have lost in the hands of Lex Luthor, Batman AND Wonderwoman which according to the comics, they are way weaker than Superman not to mention, some of them were just humans in compares to Goku, Goku ALWAYS find a way to win against more powerful foes than himself"

He point's out some very valid points on the mistakes Deatbattle made-which makes the whole fight-Inaccurate.

STRENGTH:Goku once lifted 40 tons in base(10 X earth's gravity) so he actually lifted 400 tons with ease as a SSJ1, using his SSJ multipliers and his power increase at the VERY least Goku can lift:620,000,000 Million Tons.However I do Agreed Superman would be Stronger when it comes to LIFTING strength only.Which will not help him win this fight.

DEATHBATTLE MISTAKES and Calculations

These's are some mistake's that I and others have found.

Death Battle’s Snake Way Calculation for Goku’s Speed Analysis is Inaccurate because

  • Traverse time is irrelevant in the Dragonball Universe based on the Manga, Akira Toriyama in linked Interviews, the Daizenshu and Common Sense AND
  • It is based on drawings which were not drawn to scale.

The Death Battle Snake Way Analysis is incorrect becuase it relied on a faulty scaling analysis based on drawings that were not drawn to scale as well as discounted loops thus making up the curvatures and other features in their "calculation."

AND Goku by the 2nd World Martial Arts Tournament he enters, moves so fast that Roshi (looking head on like the bullet) and everyone else looking from every perspective (360°) and varying distances (because it is not a proximity issue) cannot see him! He is moving so fast that he is invisible and only an echo of his movements can be detected(Notice above)

Later Goku can even dodge lasers,lasers (depending on frequency) Lasers move at the speed of light

At the World Martial Arts Tournament while fighting Tien Goku demonstrates his new speed and outruns another light speed attack! A solar flare!

GOKU was so fast he was able to get glasses and come back before the light hits his eyes!

Goku moves so fast that even Kami can't see him.(Notice left)

  • Gravity: 586 x SPEED

    • 586 x 5,112,225m/s= 2,995,778,500 m/s

      • 2,995,778,500 m/s = 2,995,778.5 km/s

  • Base Form: 2,995,778. 5 km/s

  • SS1: 149,788,925 km/s

  • SS2: 299,577,850 km/s

  • SS3: 1,198,311,400 km/s

  • SS4: 11,983,114,000 km/s

  • NOTE:

    • The above proven fighting speed disregards

      • Goku dodging lasers

      • Goku catching a Dragonball

      • Goku out running a Solar Flare

      • Goku becoming Faster than Lighting

      • Goku training for 3 years with Kami and all the other specifically unquantifiable training speed increases

      • DeathBattle said Goku was 2.5billion km/hr AT SS4 ...

        THEY ARE WRONG.

        GOKU SHOULD BE MINIMALLY 183 billion km/hr in SS4(over 113 Billion Mph-Note the Speed of Light is roughly 670 Million Mph) (45,922,320km/hr in base form) because he can cross Earth's diameter in one second in the Freiza Saga.

        This speed is based solely on what Goku quantifiably did on Namek, granted he would be significantly faster in base form by Cell and even more so by the Buu saga. However, there is no way for me to accurately definitely say what that increase would be and I am not going to make guesses for this blog.

        How I arrived at this Accurate Figure:

        V-Jump (a magazine about Manga) published an Article with tha approval of Shōnen Jump (the Japanese manga anthology magazine that published the DragonBall and DragonBall Z mangas) stating that Namek was the size of Earth (ie the distance that Goku crosses in one second).

        Earth diameter: 12 756.2 kilometers
        Goku can cross that in a second as he did on Namek so he can go 12 756.2 km/s or 45,922,320km/hr

        At SS1:637,810km/s = 142,674,033 Mph)2,296,116,000 km/hr 2.29 billion km/hr

        At SS2:1,275,620km/s =285 Million Mph),592,232,000 km/hr 4.59 billion km.hr

        At SS3: 5,102,480km/s = Over 11 Billion MPH)18,368,928,000 km/hr 18.3 billion km/hr

        At SS4: 51,024,800 km/s =Over 185,250,000,000 Mph

        However, I am unable to find a link to that Article so I will be calculating Namek's size based on quantifiable feats within the Manga and will derive a number from that.

        According to Death Battle: Nimbus only goes mach 1.5 which is 510.43500 m / s

        So BEFORE getting powered up by Guru in 2hrs Krillen could go: 3,675,132meters

        • (Krillen could fly at least as fast as nimbus [mach 1.5] by the time the Saiyans arrive because all the Saibamen had the fighting capabilities (which includes speed) of Raditz and Krillen kills 4 on his own)

        AND

        • Piccolo (who was slower than Raditz ) could keep up with Goku’s nimbus cloud wearing his weighted clothing with no effort)

        Piccolo is weaker and slower than Raditz and he can keep up with Nimbus with ease (still wearing weighted clothing):

        because Raditz handily outclassed Goku and Piccolo this is a very modest estimate of placing Krillen’s speed at the Saibamen fight (ie still under Piccolo’s at the beginning of Dragonball Z who was slower and weaker than Raditz). However, that low estimate is irrefutable based on the above given speed feats which were easily quantifiable.

        This minimum of Mach 1.5 speed is confirmed by the fact that before increasing his speed from Guru it takes Krillen and Dende nearly a full day to reach Guru.

        However, we cannot calculate that figure because Krillen only goes top speed at some points and stops and starts at multiple way points, and even carries Dende at one point.

        BUT AFTER Guru's power increase it is quite easy to acurately figure the size of Namek's radius based on Krillen's travel speed and time:

        s Gohan was nowhere even remotely near Goku’s level on Earth let alone Vegeta’s.

        ***NOTE: I am NOT using power scaling or power levels. I am doing a side by side analytical ratio and seeing what the minimum distribution on increase in speed, strength, etc. for Krillen would be. If you say Krillen is faster than Mach 3 that only increases Namek's size based on the further distance he would travel in 2 hours. However, it is clear based on the manga that Krillen on Namek after seeing Guru can go at least mach 3.

        Now Calculating Distance:

        § The Circumference of Earth is roughly 40,007.86 km

        • Circumference= pi x d so 40,007.86= pi x d...d= 12,756.2 km.

        • The width of Earth on one side, its diameter, not it circumference, is 12,756.2km.

        At a maximum 1/8 of planet Namek (1/2 it’s radius in a straight line, what Krillen flew) is 7,350.264km or 7,350,264m

        So that would make its diameter: 29,401,056meters (because you take the line Krillen flew which is half the raidus and multiply it by 2 to get the raidus (7,350,264meters x2=14,700,528m).

        And multiply Namek's radius by 2 to get the diameter (14,700,528x2=29,401,056m).

        This makes the cirucumference of Namek: 92,319,314 km (29,401.056km x pi) OR 42,244.315km in circumference larger than Earth.

        [Namek (92,319.112)-Earth(40,075km)]=42,244.315km

        Further Explained:

        The distance between the cave that Krillen is traveling to and Guru’s is at most 1/8 of the planet because it is between Freeza’s ship and Guru’s on the other side of the planet (so we are only looking at a straight line on one half of the planet).

      • Travel Time: less than a second to cover the distance of a planet bigger than Earth.

        New Traverse Speed: from one side of planet Namek to the other in a second: 29,401,056m/s in base form or 105,843,801.6 km/hr

        Proof: Krillen in 2hrs =7,350,264meters or 7,350.264km to cave which is 1/2 its RADIUS of Namek AT THE MOST. So do 7,350.264m x4=Diameter= 29,401.056 km. (size of namek from one side to the other)

        Goku traveled 29,401.056 km in a second or 105,843,801.6 km/hr which in SS4 is 423,375,206,400km/hr (423 billion km/hr)

      • If we say Namek is equal to Earth that still means Goku is way faster than what Wiz made up:

        Earth diameter: 12,756.2 kilometers

        Goku gets there in a second so he can go 12 756.2 km/s or 45,922,320km/hr

        So Traverse time as a Super Saiyan 1 is : 2,296,116,000 km/hr. This figure is confirmed by the entire Frieza Fight taking only 5 minutes and Goku going all over the planet from where Vegeta died, back to Porunga the all the way to the Namekian Village Vegeta Destroyed far north of Freeza’s ship, then to Where the cave was, and back to Freeza’s ship as it was closer than his own ship.

        And in SS4 is 45,922,320 km.hr x4,0000 so 183,689,280,000km/hr or 183 billion km/hr

      • Keep in mind in the Dragonball World what matters for speed analysis should be the fighting and not the traverse times, but in order to not over power Goku I will ONLY use the traverse speed for this analysis.

        BUT if TRAVERSE SPEED is how Wiz wanted to base the analysis then he should have done so ACCURATELY, like the above, rather than a made up formula based on curvatures and scaling which meant absolutely nothing and did not reflect Goku’s abilities and conflicted with the Dragonball Manga.

      • In order to appear truly invisible the person because of distance and other perceptions must being going the Speed of Light because of the way light bends around them. Article Posted below link: http://www.hhmi.org/bulletin/nov2011/pdf/ask_a_scientist.pdf

        SCIENCE ARTICLE PROOF:
        “How fast would an object have to move to be invisible to the naked eye?

        Could Dash from “The Incredible's" really run so fast that we could not see him?

        The short answer is yes, Dash could run fast enough to be invisible. Exactly how fast he would have to run depends on many factors. For an object to be visible, light particles (photons) must bounce off the object and into your eye. There must be enough light that specialized neurons in the eye—the rod and cone cells that form the photosensitive pixels of the retina—are activated to a level that triggers awareness. If Dash zipped through your field of view so quickly that too little light from him reached your retina, you would not see him. What is the minimum amount of light required? In a classic experiment, people in complete darkness were exposed to flashes of light. Only the rod photoreceptors were sensitive enough to detect the light intensities used in this experiment. At the minimum flash brightness required to trigger visual awareness, onlya handful of rods each absorbed just one photon. The implication is striking: single cells, capturing single particles of light, can trigger perception. However, at best, the rods can provide only a low-resolution image. To see and recognize Dash requires cone photoreceptors. Cones allow high-resolution color vision in brighter light. Unlike rods, individual cones must absorb many photons to generate a sizeable response.

        And since each cone contributes a single pixel to the final image, many cones are required to “draw” Dash on the retina. If Dash were moving fast, photons bouncing off him would be scattered across many cones, and each of these cones might be insufficiently activated, so Dash would be invisible. If there were just a little more activation, he would appear as a blur. The less light there is, the more Dash can afford to take it easy. At noon when there is a surplus of photons, he has to be at his speediest to be invisible. Other factors are at play. One is eye movement. We never look steadily at a single point in space. We are not aware of it, but our eyes constantly dart from one location in the visual scene to another. They make small jumps that last about a fifth of a second. These jumps are called “saccades,” during which our visual system is suppressed. If Dash shot past during a saccade, you would not see him. If he ran past a crowd, chances are that at least some people would be in midsaccade and would miss him. The bottom line is, a complete answer to your question does not exist. How much light is required for a good cone signal, how activity across the array of cones is assembled into an image, how the visual system shuts down during a saccade, and other factors such as attention are active research areas. Answered by Michael Tri Do,_ an assistant professor at Children’s Hospital Boston,Harvard Medical School.”

      • ALL of the above confirm that GOKU CAN FIGHT AND DODGE AT MASSIVELY FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEEDS.

        Now, do not misunderstand my point. My point is NOT that Z warriors ALWAYS fight at light speed and massively faster, far from it as there are many times at the World Tournament where the crowd is able to see parts of the battle. However, as the above physics article discusses moving at just under lightspeed is still able to be seen from all angles depending on distance, but to be truly invisible like some parts of the fights in Dragonball and onward means that the characters were fighting at at least Light Speed or Faster.

        Thus, if you discount the proven Namek traverse speed analysis and the fighting speed anlysis in favor of one based on character depictions it only makes Goku even faster. This is because from Dragonball and onward the fighters are at least capable of fighting and dodging at light speed, but cannot necessarily always do it or cover a large distance at that speed based on how it is depicted in the story. BUT AGAIN we know Goku can cross Earth in one second as he did on Namek and that is his lowest proven speed feat so I am going to use that.

        Proof on How Speed in the Dragonball Universe is Depicted:

        • In Dragonball in the manga and the show the fight panels and scenes are slowed down so that we, the audience, can see it rather than doing it real time, every time.

          • Akira Toriyama made this clear with Krillen vs. Master Roshi fight in dragon ball: They have a full fight and conversation in les that a full second!! AND THIS IS IN DragonBall!!

          • How Fast are (SOME OF) the beams?

            • The speed of light=186,000 Miles per second (roughly)

            • Moon, Distance to Earth= 238,900 miles (384,400,000 m)

            • (so a little under 2 seconds) .

            • Piccolo destroys the moon in an instant barely even a second:

            • The Kamehameha at least at Full Power for Roshi is FTL!

            • Raditz was fast enough to dodge the FTL Kamehameha (as established by Roshi's moon feat)

            • Superman’s most powerful attack is his Infinite Mass Punch:

              • Which according to DeathBattle and the comics is:

              • “Done by going just under light speed

              • (299,792.458 km/ s > Superman’s speed for the punch)

              • “The speed causes his fists to increase immensely and hits with the force of a Supernova” “which explodes at a force of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 MT”

              • Superman’s move is massively slower than Goku at SS1. Who incidentally in Base form could still likely move far enough out of Superman's way because Goku only needs to avoid him and the fists as they come towards him. Which more likely than not Goku would do because unlike Superman he'd rather dodge a planet busting attack or deflect it than take it head on.

                  • SO the ONLY WAY Goku could be hit by this attack is if he were already unconscious, low on energy, or in base form.

                  • Further this attack requires a massive amount of energy and thus once Superman used it he would be vulnerable.

                  • Obviously this attack is not feasible for a fight between Superman and Goku and thus irrelevant.

                  • Superman surviving the force of Earth to the face

                      • So how much force is that?
                        • Hard to say and it would be a mere guess becuase there is no distance from how high Superman was to how far below he went nor a time frame for the propulsion.
                          • Suffice is to say Superman can take a concusive hit to the face that is equal to smashing a medium sized planet into him
                          • which incidentally confirms the above New Genesis and Apokolips feat
                    • Superman vs a Sun Eater and getting hit with Red Sunlight thus reducing some of his power. (Not really a durability feat but more just impressive as it shows what Superman is capable of in space as well as a good demonstration of his solar energy reserves )

                      • But it is stated that 1x10^46 J = would incenrate the man of steel when less than full on solar energy.

                        • The force of 50xKepler’s Supernova would incinerate Superman:

                        • The explosion was caused by the destruction of the power generator for the entire planet of Calaton

                        • Armed with a more powerful armored suit Superman is able to Survive the force of a million nuclear blasts: Note: Tsar bomb [most destructive nuclear bomb to date= 57 MT, another DeathBattle error they said only 50MT) ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

    • 57MT x 1,000,000= 57,000,000 MT or 5.7x10^7Mt

  • ...Superman's durability is still confirmed as stronger in space than on a planet with an atmosphere and/or plants etc. that absorb solar radiation.

    • (Notably surviving the 10^44 explosion of the Shadow moon involved no expolsion of solar raidation so saying that tanking the force of supernovas is only possible becuase they release solar enrgy is incorrect. However, Superman's access and hence ability to absorb more solar radiation in space due to not having to compete with an atmosphere or other solar radiation absorbing objects like on the surface of a planet is not an incorrect observation.)
    • (Nor is it incorrect to observe that Superman's clothese were more tattered whilst being at the center of the 10^44J blast in the shadow moon feat after expelling energy to stay under the speed of light and thus enduring all of that force with less power as opposed to the significantly unscathed clothing of Superman who also was inside a Supernova explosion but notably only went from planet to sun as opposed to exerting effort to do an attack)
  • (which makes sense becuase in Space Superman is closer to a sun and has more access to direct sunlight due to the rays going directly to him as opposed to being spread out all over earth where plants and other animals absorb the light or the light simply bounces back off etc.)

  • Further, this is also why Superman flies up in Earth's atmosphere [to be closer to the sun] to heal or restore his energy.

HOWEVER, Mongul did not nor could he train Superman to make his body more durable or absorb more solar raidation faster as those are involuntary reflexes. This is confirmed by Superman's body going into a healing coma after his initial fight with Doomsday as well as automatically aborbing Kryptonite radiation when in the presence of it and being unable to prevent himself from doing so. Superman's body is constantly absorbing and takes care of its own durability, it is an involuntary reflex not a voluntary reflex or muscle movement that he could train. BUT even if one wishes to erroneously claim that Mongul made Superman more durable than the Doomsday fight , which no media says, it is irrelevant as Superman had the Motherbox armor WHICH MADE HIM "More Invulnerable."

    • Crater on the Moon:

      • NASA astronomers watched it form: On May 2, 2006, a meteoroid hit the Moon's Sea of Clouds (Mare Nubium) with 17 billion joules of kinetic energy and all that was left was a 14 meters wide (radius is 7m), 3 meters deep crater. (17,000,000,000,= 17x10^9) http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/13jun_lunarsporadic/

      • Mass of moon = 7.36 × 10^22 kg

      • Volume of moon = 2.199 x 10^19 m3

      • Density of the moon = mass/volume = 3347 (kgm-3)

    • What type of power would need to be generated to create a crater that size?

      • Nasa said : 17 billion joules of kinetic energy to create that Crater: with a Volume of 461.58m3

  • Volume= pi (r)2 x depth: V= pi (7m)^2 x 3m = 461.58m3

  • SO

    • To create a crater with a Volume of = 461.58m3

      • Requires 17x10^9J

    • To destroy the Volume of the moon=2.199 x 10^19 m3

      • Requires 8.098x10^26J

    • Going off of that ratio: I hypothesized to destroy the volume of the Earth=1.1×10^21 m3

      • Would require 3.68X10^28J

    • However, the Earth is much denser so factoring that in another individual found that if the Earth were a totally smooth surface without mountains (mountains would make it more durable) it would take 10^32J to destroy planet Earth. http://io9.com/5876473/how-much-energy-would-the-death-star-require-to-destroy-earth

  • 10^32J. to destroy planet Earth

    • SO then as of the Cell saga Goku in SS1 after fighting at a very intense level can do a Kamehameha blast worth 10^32 J in Cell Saga at SS1

      • Going up in levels (NOT Power Scaling increasing the output as based on the quanifiable multipliers)

        • at SS2=2x10^32J and

        • SS3=2x4x10^32J and

        • SS4=2x4x10x10^32J;

          • and a x10 Kamehameha would equal the same power of the SS4 x10 so 10x(1.6x10^33)

          • or under powering roughly: 10^34J

            • So to figure out the power of the Super Dragon Fist we must calculate the durability of Omega Shenron which SS4 Goku's Super Dragon Fist was able to penetrate:

              • SO on the INCREDIBLY LOW end, we know with 0 effort Syn tanked Goku's 10x Kamehameha,

                • so if we multiply that durability by 10 that is at the very bare minimum what Goku's Super Dragon Fist can definitively do.

                  • Obviously this is by no means the max power that Goku can generate in the Super Dragon fist becuase as already stated Syn with no effort tanked that blast.

                    • Either way it is irrefutable that the Super Dragon Fist minimally produces 10x 10^34J OR

                    • minimally 10^35J

            SO GOKU's ability to use ki for HIS attacks equals (at least):

            (Super Kamehameha) + (Kamehameha x 10) + (Kamehameha x 10) + [Super Dragon Fist]

            • which equals 2.11x10^35J + [10^35J] = 12.11x10^35

            This gives you Goku’s (minimum) energy potential (notably it should be many degrees higher as I could not accurately add in Goku’s punches, kick, flying, transforming, etc. energy usage and this is solely based off of his energy attacks, NOR did I know what the max durability of Syn Shenron)

          • In GT on at least 1 Ocassion Omega states he can blow up the universe (see above) and in 2 separate instances other characters confirm Omega can blow up the universe and has actually blown up galaxies in the past:

        • Popo heard of that. Long, long ago, Evil Dragon appeared on other planet. It said that planet soon destroyed, then all of cosmos around that planet wiped out.”

    • (4:10) Grand Elder Kai:

      • Dub

        • “That Creature and the Creatures that it spawned are not only capable of destroying the Earth BUT the entire universe as well!!”

      • Subtitles

        • “If you leave those guys alone they will destroy not only Earth, but the ENTIRE UNIVERSE!”

  • The theoretical power required to destroy the universe is: 4×10^69 J because that is the estimated total mass-energy of the observable universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28energy%29

  • If Omega Shenron can CREATE such a blast and is weaker than SS4 Fusion which is an exponential increase in power then at a bare minimum SS4 Gogeta can do that same blast in order to defeat Omega.

    • Syn Shenron v. Goku SS4 =

      • fairly even (and Syn tanks a 10x Kamehameha no effort)

    • Omega Shenron v. 2 SS4s=

      • both Vegeta and Goku clearly outclassed with their (added) strength working together (i.e. 2.11x10^35J + 2.11x10^35J = 4.11 x10^35 for example if they were to fire an attack together like they did against Buu before fusion)

      • Proof: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgTLj71TWzc)

    • Omega Shenron v. SS4 Gogeta

    • (exponentially stronger than SS4 Goku or Vegeta and SS4 Gogeta using his ultimate blast that he could only fire 2 times based on the amount of power they use and power the SS4 Gogeta Fusion uses was able to reduce Omega with one Big Bang Kamehameha from Omega to Synn Shenron http://youtu.be/536jJ9_g9Bw?t=3m2s )

    • SO how powerful was that attack? First figure out what is SS4 Gogeta's ki potential:

      • Take Goku's energy calculations (minus super dragon fist) which equals 2.11x10^35J (w/o Super Dragin fist included--you will see why below) and square it

        • (that makes Gogeta weaker than 2 fused Gokus)

        • and incidentally would be the power level Goku and Vegeta would need to be at so that they are equal in order to fuse if one assume SS4 Goku is stronger than SS4 Vegeta. (fusion requires that then energies be perfectly even).

          • Therefore SS4 Gogeta is not overpowered:

            • fused: (2.11x10^35J)^2 = 2.11x10^70J

        • Placing SS4 Goegta's ki attack potential on the low end of2.11x10^70J and halving that power gives you a low end calculation of SS4 Gogeta's Bing Bang Kamehameha (had he used it sooner SS4 Gogeta could only perform 2) so it would be:

          • 1/2 of 2.11x10^70J = one big bang bang Kamehameha

          • [which is (2.11x10^70J)/2]= 1.055x10^70J

        • Confirmed by the Fusion wearing off after 1 attack and only being able to perform 2.

    • Thus proving that Omega Shenron is exponentially more durable after his absorbtion/fusion with the other Dragons.

      • Synn Shenron: easily withstand one 10x Kamehameha (ie 10^34J) no effort.

      • Thus at a minimum we need to ^2 Synn Shenron's durability for it to be equal to Omega's because it took 1.055x10^70J which is more than (10^34)^2J of damage to break through Omega's durability and that STILL DID NOT completely destroy Omega, yet the Super Dragon Fist went through him and Omega recovered!

      • which ALSO verifies the power Omega can generate to destroy the entire universe with a 10^68J+ blast!

        • Superman's Durability in Space

          • Superman Durability on Shadow Moon:

            • 10e44J = 2.39e+29Mt

          • Superman Durability in Superman vs. the Elite:

            • 15x (10^44) =1.5e46J= 3.58e+30Mt

          • Superman Being Smashed between to Planets and being knocked unconscious

            • 1.8x10^35J= 4.30210325e+19Mt

        • Superman's Durability on Earth:

          • 1,000,000 Nuclear Blast Euivalent

            • 2.39e+23J = 5.7e+7Mt

        • Goku Attack Power:

          • One Super Dragon Fist: between

            • 10e35J = 2.39e+20 Mt

            • 10e68J = 2.39e+53 Mt

            • AND the High End Calculation clearly shows Goku CAN kill Superman with Super Dragon Fist EVEN in Space

            • BUT Can Goku survive a fight with Superman long enough to even pull it off?!?

              Could Superman just TAKE GOKU into SPACE and never worry about the Super Dragon Fist?!?!?

              WHAT IS GOKU’s DURABILITY!?

              1st Why DeathBattle is Wrong:

              Deathbattle failed to analyze Goku's use of Ki and how that translates to his durability, strength, and striking power. ("One Shot" Striking power already discussed above)

              Death Battle's Durability = Potential calculation is ludicrous for the simple reason that Goku through using Kaio Ken and SS forms INCREASES his power output beyond what his base form is capable of. Otherwise he would be able to tap into the same potential in base form and not need the power up.

              In fact the manga directly contradicts DeathBattle: Kaio-ken allows Goku to become "even stronger than [himself]"

              FURTHER, Dr. Gero did not even know Goku could turn into a Super Saiyan and there is no proof that the bomb in Android 16 would have even worked on Goku.

              Again, the Manga even conflicts with Death Battle's analysis becuase Dr. Gero admits he was wrong

            • What DeathBattle put Goku's peak strength at was the result of trying to quantify what was easy rather than what was accurate. Goku states that in SS form the weight is "a piece of cake"-

              • So how strong is Goku? Stronger than 10 tons on each limb that's for sure!

                • BUT even if one erroneously concludes that this training is Goku's max strength, it still does not change the outcome of how hard Goku hits or what his destructive capablities are based on his use of Ki.

                • Kaio-Ken, Super Saiyan, etc. all make Goku "stronger" than his base form "stronger than he actually is". Thus, disproving DeathBattle's durability=potential power calcualtion.

                • More to the point his striking power exceeds his durability as seen via his Super Dragon Fist's proven destructive power.

                So then what we need to know is how durable is Goku compared to Superman's assault capabilities. From here I will now do that this training is Goku's max strength, it still does not change the outcome of how hard Goku hits or what his destructive capabilities are based on his use of Ki.

              • More to the point his striking power exceeds his durability as seen via his Super Dragon Fist's proven destructive power.

              • Even in front of the Sun Wonder Woman is STILL quicker (see her shove Kryptonite into Superman's face):

              • Again Superman can be infanently faster than Goku, but not in an instant=so while Superman is most likely faster then Goku in a race but not when it comes to Acceleration or Combat speed

              • Thus, Goku's acceleration and proven massively faster than lightspeed fighting gives him an edge to avoid such maneuvers of being flown into the sun.

                Like Wonder Woman Goku is quicker than Superman do to his constant battle training and Saiyan muscle memory; so observing or sensing even the subtle movements of Superman would prevent Goku from being hoisted away by Superman to the sun.

              • So how much force:
              • does it take to “Shatter a Small Planet”?

                • Luckily I do not have to put an exact number on how much force it takes to “Shatter a Small Planet” because we have proof that Goku can withstand the force of punches that would shatter individuals whose durability without ki can withstand medium sized planet explosions.

                  • More force is needed to explode than shatter as shattering can still leave large remnants of the object intact whereas an explosion is a near or actual total disintegration of the object.

                    • Consequently, because Goku can withstand punches that SHATTER individuals who tank MEDIUM sized planet EXPLOSIONS he can also withstand punches that SHATTER small planets,

                      • because shattering a planet requires less concussive force than exploding it.

                PROOF:

                Earth is the largest terrestrial planet in our solar systemhttp://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/a/geodesyearthsize.htmand overall is a medium sized planethttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/07/milky-way-planets-17-billion-nasa-kepler-telescope_n_2426568.html

                Freiza’s durability is unable to withstand Goku's final blast to him on Namek BUT when the planet exploded he did not sustain any more damage. Frieza’s body was able to withstand the explosion of a medium sized planet without virtually any ki.

                Proof that Goku's blast did more than the planet blowing up:

              • Thus, Frieza has the durability, without virtually any ki and cut in half, to tank the explosion of Planet Namek, which is minimally the size of Earth.

                Which is confirmed by Frieza also having the power to kick away planet busting attacks with ease, without using any ki (notice the lack of energy surrounding Frieza):

                Looking at the Anime: If we include a filler scene then it further confirms that like Cell’s enhance regenerative capabilities beyond what Piccolo can do so too are his Frieza durability cells more enhanced than even Frieza’s no ki durability, because a destructo disk type ki blast sliced Frieza in half but does nothing to Cell:

              • Gohan’s kicks and punches shatter through all the planet tanking durable Cell Jr.’s (not an assumption they all have the same cell’s as Cell who has Frieza’s cells)

              • But nonetheless Gohan’s punches shattered individuals capable of withstanding medium planet explosions without ki (ie Freiza). And even with Ki as a defense Gohan’s fist shattered the Cell Juniors who had the durability to tank at least medium planet explosions becuase they have Frieza's cells.

                Goku is stronger than SS2 Gohan when he fought Cell and that is not even the peak of Goku’s power:

              • OKU IS DURABLE ENOUGH TO WITHSTAND SUPERMAN’S “SMALL PLANET SHATTERING PUNCHES”

                MORE PROOF:

                This is confirmed by Trunks, who had the slicing power to cut medium sized planet exploding Frieza in Half going all out against Goku and being unable to harm Goku:

                Trunks slices medium sized planet exploding durable Frieza:

              • Proof this is a feat of strength and not the weapon:

              • Being able to destroy Frieza with one blow takes someone of medium planet cracking strength becuase Frieza tanked Namek exploding.

                Super Saiyan 3 Goku is stronger then all of the Kai's as he was able to take on Kid Buu and tank his blows as well has harm him which means more force per punch as all the Kais were just killed.

              • in GT Baby, who is massively stronger than a SS3 [which hits 4x more than a SS2 (which can easily destory beings who can withstand medium sized planets exploding), hits SS4 Goku and his punches do virtually no damage:] http://youtu.be/WfHOUW5M8Qs?t=59s

              • Baby in his near strongest form (before Golden Oozaru) punches Goku SS4 with no affect.

              • Those are the same punches that when Baby was in a weaker form decimated SS3 Goku http://youtu.be/Vi0U5w_71wY?t=5m16s

              • And Baby in his new mighty form still destroyed SS3 Goku with those punches http://youtu.be/ZXbznco8Sxc?t=16s

              • In sum: Goku is durable enough to tank, catch, and dish out punches and kicks that would shatter someone who could tank a medium sized planet explosion, if he is using his ki.

                Goku is durable enough to withstand small planet shattering punches

              • Ice Breath will be ineffective on Goku becuase Goku has already encounter Eis Shenron who used freezing attacks, and once Goku's body experiences an attack it remembers and compensates for the next round.

              • Goku can withstand the surface temperature of the sun without it melting his skin or even actually burning him. Surface Temperature of the sun is approximately 5778 K (9940.73°F).

                Proof: Goku fighting Nova Shenron:http://www.dbz.tv/3/watch/dragonball-gt-episode-54/ )

                • (6:09 Goku's hands cannot take the heat but keep watching and see how his body adapts)

                • (Nova states at 6:36 he can make his temperature hotter than the sun) .

                  If you watch the whole episode you can see that at first Goku's hands cannot even touch Nova in his less intensive temperature state without being burnt or catching on fire. But then Goku builds up the resisitance, as he explained about his body to Eis Shenron [above]. After building up the resistance Goku is able to even be held for long periods by the higher temperature sun surface upgraded version of Nova in his golden body state.

                  So since Superman's intial blast without time to increase its power isaround 2400°F (at most...considering the power plant figure I used is very generous), that means Goku would be 4 times more durable than Superman's initial output of such a blast that he could issue.

                • Thus, arguably if Goku's gaurd is either down (Majin Vegita) or he is totally outclassed by his opponent (Billis) then a pressure point attack could work!

                  .However, Superman's striking power is peacked at Small Planet Shattering Punches, without momentum, and that is lower than what Goku repeatedly endured from Majin Vegeta when Goku was at SS2. At SS3 Goku can easily endure 4 times as much.

                  o really this technique of Superman's is nothing Goku has not been encountering since his first appearance at the Tenkaichi Budokai. Goku is an expert martial artist, he would not just stand there and allow Superman to poke all over him without putting up a defense.

                  In addition a Saiyan body learns from attacks and when it heals up is more durable (see the above and below scans discussing only being able to use an attack on Goku once) because his body compensates for the attack the next round. As such, Superman's pressure point maneuvers are essentially moot against Goku.

                • THE DEATHBATTLE:
                • Really the whole purpose of this blog is to "attack" the Deathbattle not Superman-to show how inaccurate their calculations were.Also Goku was not even "Bloodlusted" were as Superman was and going all out.Then to make matters worse they let Superman Sun-dip an din just a few seconds he was strong enough to killed Goku-while in the Comics it could take 10-15 minutes for Superman to become that strong.They also grossly underestimated Goku's strengh\Durability and Speed by basing them on things that were not true,Also they didn't realize or fator in that by the time GT rolled around Goku at base was as strong as a SSJ3! ww know this because when Goku fights General Rilldo he states his(Rilldo) Ki was stronger then Buu's and he was able to fight him in base form.Thus Goku as a kid and at base = SSJ3 Adutl Goku-the power increased from Z to GT is HUGE but this is never factor in doing the fight All this proves how unjust the whole fight was I just hoped they make better fights in the future-because I really do like DB.

              CONCLUSION

            • (I also apologize for any and all grammatical errors)
            • after seeing Goku being killed by the hand Superman made me angry beyond words-especially since there was so much evidence they fell to incorporate but I made this blog to prove otherwise however the debate for who would win will most likely never end so in conclusion I just wanted to show people that Goku can definitively hold a candle to the Man of Steel.But after this blog i'm done debating the issue...all in all we Nerds just need to laugh after it's said and done-And I quote

              "As a Superman fan, I would like to come back here and extend a hand of offering to make peace with Goku fans.

              Goku and Superman have both done something that NO OTHER CHARACTER has ever done. They've both transcended their status in Pop Culture and have become genuine cultural icons. Both are beyond measuring and beyond calculation. THAT is the real error that Death Battle made. These are characters that could never be quantified.

              Superman and Goku fans should both hold their heads up high as far as they can go, because you know what guys? As far as childhood idols go, well... we picked some DAMN good role models, I tell ya. Two beings who are crusaders for justice and good who will stop at nothing to take down the evils of this world. THAT'S what's important. THAT'S what should bind all of us.

              Both heroes are great. Too great for this battle. Not only would they never fight, but they're literally in a league of their own. And that is something you cannot put into numbers............................ Goku and Superman fans, walk away with your heads held high!

            • Respect:Superman Goku!"-END Quote
            • So in the end Goku IS Much MUCH faster then what Deathbattle stated, as well is much stronger,Goku could definitely Kill Superman giving the Opportunity.
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It's Over 9000!:the raw power of the DBZ universe

It was in the Saiyan saga when Vegeta confronted Goku for the first time and coined the most iconic words ever stated on Power levels:It's over 9000!.We all are familiar with that statement but I will go in detail what exactly Power levels mean . What exactly do they mean? Well I made this post for that specific reason;to show just what PL(Power levels) means.So the purpose of this post is to set a stander or "mean" for PL.but before i can help you to "understand" Power levels" we have to overcome some "roadblocks" if you will. First I want to clarify the common mistake most people make when on the topic of PL,they said that Toriyama only created or introduce PL just to show "how useless and irrelevant they are and how they should not be relied on" well i'm here to show you that this statement is only half-true.When taken out of context it can seam that PL are useless thus trying to understand them are futile;but wait like i said we must clarify some things so we can be on the same page so here i go.

Power levels-reliable or irrelevant?

There are many people who would argue that PL are useless and while it may seam to be true especially since Toriyama himself said so.But I'm here to truly debunk this claim. Now just imagine you're were a warrior (inside DBZ) let's said part of Frieza's army\or saiyan...you depend on this machine called a scouter to accurately pin point were and how powerful your foe is-so it's a really important device,However if your opponent could mask ,hide or suppress his true power\Ki,your scouter would fail you,So this very important device that you would depend your life on would no longer aid you in finding out the power\Ki of your foe-thus making it useless.Another valid point is the scouter can only read a person's PL only so high and then it would explode,so eventually people would be to strong for scouters to even read there PL,so that would make scouters and by extension "power levels useless and Irrelevant". now the scouter can no longer accurately do what it was design for-read a person's PL. But wouldn't you agree that if a person couldn't suppress there full power\Ki(or if the scouter could see there hidden power) and of course if they didn't explode it would be a very valuable device. So those are the reason's that a scouter and therefore powerlevels to the CHARACTERS in DBZ would be consider useless,but to the people "outside" the DBZ universe Powerlevels in them selves are not useless-but valuable.

Power levels-there meaning?

Ok we've gotten over the statement that power levels are "useless and irrelevant" but now a very important question arises, perhaps the most important of all:what is the meaning of Power levels? Well it's not necessarily an easy answer, However it is essential to understand there meaning.It's rather straight forward, Kili (not to be confuse with scouter power levels) is a power measurement (it's name being a pun on the Japanese word riki which means power) and the Daizenshuu 7 states that a "kili" of 200-300 is enough to destroy one\two planet(s);Super Saiyan Goku fighting yakon had a kili of 3,000-yakon had a kili of 800, with this in mind Goku as a SSJ1(of course by this time Goku was a MSSJ ) could destroyed 15 planets.As a SSJ2 he would be able to destroyed 750 planets-as a SSJ3 he could destroyed 5,250 planets, and as a SSJ4 8,250?.Let me tell you how i came up with those numbers-remember Goku as a SSJ1\MSSJ has a kili of 3,000 a kili of only 200-300 can destroyed 1 or 2 planets, so Goku as a SSJ1 can destroyed 15 planets as a SSJ2 750 planets i came to this conclusion because SSJ2 is 50 X SSJ1.(going off the Super Exciting Guide SSJ is 50x base, SSJ2 is 100X base and SSJ3 is 400x base form) so 50 X 15 =750 or 150,000 divided by 200=750(150,000 would be Goku's kili as a SSJ2).Now since Goku as a SSJ3 gets a 400 X increase from base-350 X 15= 5,250.

In more compact form

Goku- (Base 60 Kili)

Goku SSJ1- 3,000 Kili 15 planet buster

Goku SSJ2-150,000 Kili 750 planet buster

Goku SSJ3-1,050,000 Kili 5,250 planet buster

Goku SSJ4-210,000,000?? Kili 8,250 planet buster?

[Frieza final form-Kili 500=2.5 Planet buster]

[Super Perfect Cell-Kili 2,900=14.5 Planet buster]

[Kid buu-Kili 2,000,000=10,000 Planet buster

quick fact;Gogeta's PL was stated by V-jump to be around 2,500,000,000

so I assume Gogeta KIli would be 21,750,000,000=108,750,000 Planet buster-(at base) 2,175,000,000 Solar system buster

Super Gogeta-kili 1,087,500,000,000=5,437,500,000 Planet buster or 543,750,000 Solar system buster!-of course this is assuming each SS has 10 planets each.

For Vigeto- at base

22,200,000,000- Kili=111,000,000 Planet buster or 2,220,000,000 Solar system buster

Super Vegito-1,110,000,000,000=5,550,000,000 Planet buster or 111,000,000,000 Solar system buster

In case you're wondering how I came up with those numbers for Gogeta and Vigeto-I did it by multiplying (for Gogeta) SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta Kili which gave me those results.For Vigeto I took SSJ2 Goku use his full power-since for the fusion dance one must lower his PL for the fusion to work;while the Patara fusion have no such limitations so SSJ2 Goku X SSJ2 Vegeta=the Killi for Vigeto and I just added the power increase by the SSJ multipliers.

I'ts pretty simple 60 X 50=3,000-so Base Goku's kili is 60 because SSJ1 multiplies by 50 X so 60 is Goku's base kili. There's 9 planet's in are solar systems so Goku as a SSJ1 can destroyed a solar system, as a SSJ2 he can destroyed 83 solar systems, and as a SSJ3 583 solar systems(banking on if there's 9 planets in each solar systems).You know power levels are pretty meaningless if we don't understand what exactly that person can do with that PL, for example Frieza with a PL of 530,000 can easily destroyed a planet (so he probably had a Kili of 300 or more at Base ). Super Perfect Cell was at least 100 X stronger then Frieza(at final form) (probally leaves Perfect Cell with a PL of 53,000,000 or more) so yes he's easily a Solar system buster.the Eastern supreme kai states that each of the Supreme Kais were a thousand times more powerful than Frieza; yet they were no match for Kid buu so using Power scaling the supreme kais must have a Kili of 500 or more,so I estimate Kid buu was 3 X stronger then the Kais so he's enough power to annihilate hundreds of Solar systems.Ok, so Goku lifted 400 tons in base. Now to account for his power increase throughout the series by the end of GT, let's multiply that by 1 billion and then add the Super Saiyan multipliers , multiply it by 4000 So...400 tons x 1,000,000,000 = 400,000,000,000 tons400 billion tons x 50 x 2 x 4 x 10 = 1,600,000,000,000,000 tons (1.6 quadrillion tons)Dr. Gero's bomb made to kill Goku was said to be able to destroy the Earth and was calculated as TNT (so megatons)So let's take 53 quadrillion and multiply it by 1 Billion(which is estimated is increase by the end of GT)Goku can survive up to a 21.2 septillion megaton yield by the end of GT in Super Saiyan 4. New news came in that Toriyama is going to reveal a totally new form\transformation of Super saiyan-the likes of which we've never seen.This Awesome form is Called "SUPER SAIYAN GOD" it will be seen for the first time in his upcoming film "Battle of Gods"WATCH out Superman Goku is "officially" a "GOD" and he;s OVER 9000!!!!

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How fast are Dragon Ball Z characters?

The question of how fast DBZ guys really is a matter for huge debate, and since most people i find on Comicvine tends to underrate DBZ characters(this was something i had to do).Now there is no stats that we can read like in Marvel and DC but still there are ways to tell using certain methods,first i quote: Goku after his training with King Kai traveled for 27-28 hours (Edit: It was less then 2 days, probably 27 or 28h) from one end of Snake way to the other. Snake way was 1 000 000 km long which means, Goku at PL 5000 can fly around mach 30.[Just as a side point to estimate how fast Vegeta "might" be-if Goku with a 5000 PL can fly at Mach 30 I will say Vegeta with a PL 18,000 in the Saiyan saga might be Mach 66=50,237 Mph.if we fast forward to the Frieza saga when Vegeta is fighting Freiza on Namak his PL was 500,000 tops.500,000- is roughly 28 X 18,000, so 50,000 X 28=1,400,000 Mph now lets add his SSJ multipliers:SSJ1=70,000,000 Mph\ SSJ2=3,500,000,000.So I guess roughly that Vegeta can travel over 3 Billion Mph;the speed of light is 670 million Mph; so Vegeta can easily exceed the speed of light.]

After that he powered up from 5000 to over 8000, and used KKx3, therefore he should be faster then mach 68 (30+30x3=120)

after his training under 100G he was obviously much faster in his base form then he was while using KKx3 during saiyan saga, so he should be faster then mach 120 without KK, and with KKx20 he should be more then 2520 x faster then sound, much more. "(68+68x20=1428).................................For example Buu is in same speed category as SSJ3, and he destroyed several hundreds of planets in few years, and most likely he was aiming only for a life containing planets.

Planets are revolving around stars, usually no more then 10 planets around one star, and stars are light years distant from each other (closest star to our sun is 4.3 light years away)

So he would have to go FTL to achieve this feat.

This feat would be in any other comic excepted as light speed, or very close to light speed. He circled earth 5 times in only one panel, and in 99.9% times 1 panel represents 1 moment, 1 second, or possibly few second.

(Light circles earths equator 7.48 times in one second, Gotenks did 5 circles, but much bigger then equator). Gotenks was only full powered SSJ here.

Some of you like to say that he was flying for 29 minutes, because he separated when he came to Buu. But even this was explained on the next page where he said how he took a nap while he was waiting for Piccolo.

Second argument is that it took him almost 1 minute to get to Buu, but Piccolo said that 1 minute just approximately, since he didn’t have a watch. Besides it is not like he must fly at his full speed all the time.

but my main argument is that Radditz the the weekes of all DBZ villain was able to move faster then a bullet-and was able to catch it, now rifle bullet's can travel any where between 850-3,300 MPH and up to 4,000 fps(feet per second) Goku and Vegeta doing the time of the cell sega had to be at least 1,000 x faster then Radditz which means 3,300 x 1,000=3,300,000(3 million 3 hundred thousand) and by the buu sega SSJ3 Goku had to be 1,000,000 x faster then Raditz. so 3,300 x 1,000,000=3,300,000,000, the speed of light is 186,000 MPS or 671,000,000 MPH (so assuming he's 1 million x faster then Radditz) he can travel over 3 billion MPH even if he's just 100,000 times faster then he can move at 330,000,000 million MPH so either way he's pretty freaking fast.(Raditz had a power level of 1200 and he was achieving these feats). Also Vegeta could have destroyed the Earth with his Galick Gun the first time he appeared. He stated that this was his intent. He had a power level of 18,000. Super Saiyan 3 Goku had to hold his power back to simply keep from destroying Earth. Cell stated his final Kamehameha could easily destroy their entire solar system. By the end of DBZ, everyone, and most of all Goku, could have easily destroyed any planet, if not entire solar systems and galaxy's without much effort what so ever.so even if Goku can't travel the the speed of light he's pretty close + he can IT which is in essence=lightspeed and i quote from HAXJAX "If someone says Goku isnt 10x faster by the time he got to namek, I would like to point out that he could easily do 10x Kaioken when he got to namek. So if goku could turn ssj3 when he got to namek he would be 50x50x50 = 125000x faster then light. You can just Imagine how fast he would be when he is fighting frezia or even cell".One more "good" fact to mention is in Dragon Ball Z the "beams" they use travels at\or neer the speed of light, for Goku,Vegeta and Gohan to reflect these beams it can only mean they can react at the speed of light.And even if you debate that they (beams\ki) don't travel that fast my proof is this: (mind you in the very early sega of DBZ even before the arrival of Vegeta and Nappa) Piccolo shot an energy beam at the moon- 1 second later-it destroy the moon, which means= light-speed. Master Roshi have also accomplish this feet.Even when Goku was a kid he was dodging lighting which travels at 1,500,000 MPH if he can achieve this feet as a kid just imagine as a SSJ3?!!? now lets see super saiyan is 50 times stronger then a persons(Saiyan base form) base form, it's debatable but a SSJ2 is like 100 X base form . notice the list below:

Great Ape = base X 10

False Super Saiyan = base X 21

Super Saiyan = base X 50

Ascended Saiyan = base X 60

Ultra Super Saiyan = base X 62

Super Saiyan 2 = = base X 100

Super Saiyan 3 = = base X 400

Golden Great Ape = base X 500

now if these numbers are somewhat correct .Goku as a SSJ3 would be 400 X stronger then base from Goku.........so lets do the math..going back to Kid Goku dodging lighting:1,500,000 X 400=600,000,000 MPH! remember the speed of light travels at 671,000,000 MPH(671 million MPH) so he's almost there! eveen if you don't belive he''s 400 X faster even if hes' only 200 X faster he would still move at 300,000,000 MPH...so either way he's still close...........i hope more people will see the true speed of the Dragon Ball Z Universe! My next blog will deal with powerlevles and strength...Notice beloew...

"So most DBZ fans are upset(including me) about the speed Goku was given in the Death Battle(WHICH WAS VERY WRONG) between him and Superman. We're upset that the Snake Way calculation was used when GT Goku has to be so much faster than that + Toriyama himself said that Snake Way is not drawn to scale nor is it accurately replicated to judge Goku's Speed;There are also far better ways to judge Goku's Speed. Wiz and Boomstick used a multiplier to take his training and increases into account-though this was flawed I'm multiplying any feat Goku has accomplished by 1,000,000,000 to account for his power level increase throughout the series. And then adding Super Saiyan multipliers onto that. So here we go...

Goku crossed the curvy Snake Way by flying in a straight line directly over it. Wiz and Boomstick astonished me with their calculation of how far he actually went, taking into account the curves that would take Snake Way's length down substantially. And since they calculated it to actually be 190,761 miles long, I'm going to use his speed of 6,800 mph to get across it in 28 hours.

Now, let's multiply that by a billion for power level increase and then add the Super Saiyan multipliers. Goku's speed is actually...

6,800,000,000,000 mph (6.8 trillion mph) at base(That's using Snake Way calculations)

6.8 trillion x 50 x 2 x 4 x 10 = 2,720,000,000,000,000 (2.72 quadrillion mph) in Super Saiyan 4

That translates to 4,055,968 (so Goku is 4 Million times faster then the speed of light..in base!)times faster than the speed of light. Obviously much faster with the 1 billion times increase we're giving to him before his Super Saiyan multipliers".

Here's more evidence(presented by BlueComet): He say's "The easiest way to tell Goku's speed is by looking at his Namek speed feat.

He flew half way around Namek in a second. Since Namek is the same size as the earth(24,859.82 miles around) that means he flew at about 44,747,676 mph in base form.

Base: 44,747,676 mph

SSJ: 2,237,383,800 mph

SSJ2: 4,474,767,600 mph

SSJ3: 17,899,070,400 mph

SSJ4: 178,990,704,000 mph

Each of his super saiyan forms are well over lightspeed. SSJ is 3.3x lightspeed, SSJ2 is 6.6x lightspeed, SSJ3 is 26.4x lightspeed, and SSJ4 is 264x lightspeed. If what ArticulateT said is true that means Goku(in his highest ssj form) is just barely faster than Superman." It isn't hard to realize that Goku is massively FTL, but with all the dbz haters who try and underrate the the show and all the fanboys who completely blow feats out of proportion, it's hard to tell how powerful Goku actually is. I think I did a pretty good job here though".Yes you did..so there you have all the proof you need to show Goku is easily faster then the speed of light..What more is needed? you ask for facts and now you have them!.I rest my case-once and for all.

Also Notice:

Goku catching a Dragonball(which should move at least the Speed of light)

Goku out running a Solar Flare

Goku becoming Faster than Lighting

Goku training for 3 years with Kami and all the other specifically unquantifiable training speed increases

DeathBattle said Goku was 2.5billion km/hr AT SS4 ...

THEY ARE WRONG.

GOKU SHOULD BE MINIMALLY 183 billion km/hr(that is around 113,710,928,179 Billion Mph) much much much faster then Light) in SS4 because he can cross Earth's diameter in one second in the Freiza Saga.Yet this is never mention in the DeathBattle.

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