CircularLogic

@Redberry said:

@CircularLogic said:

@Redberry said:

@sunhawk said:

I think it would have been better to make Power Girl gay, no real established relationships or children. Plus she is a Kryptonian, and there was a substantial amount of Les Yay! with Atlee.

Supposed that DC doing it for publicity, they wouldn't get any coverage that way because "lesbians are hot". I believe it's more James Robinson's decision because he always wanted a gay character in his book, and he said there would be a gay character even before began writing for the Earth-2.

The thing is, lesbians are far more accepted by people than gay men. Plus, I seen (and actively sought out) enough Powergirl porn on the internet, I can keep my erotic fantasies separate from my reading material, despite what DC thinks about most straight men.

You're a straight guy? I have the impression that you were a girl for some reasons. No offensive. You're pretty progressive compared to a lot of straight guys I met. I gotta say. :p

I'm Canadian. That's how we roll :D

@sunhawk said:

@danhimself said:

@Redberry said:

@danhimself said:

the only problem I have with it is that it seems like they're changing everything about every DC character in the hopes of bringing in new readers but they're completely ignoring those of us who have loved and been reading these character for years and decades...for me it's not just Alan Scott being gay...it's Superboy not being the Superboy that I loved, Wally West and Donna Troy no longer existing, Dick Grayson was never a member of the team that he helped found, and tons of other things....sure there have been some amazing stories that came out of the reboot but I can't help but feel angry that they had to get rid of so much that I loved just so Animal Man, Swamp Thing, and Aquaman could succeed and Scott Snyder could write an awesome Batman story despite the fact that all of the great stories from the reboot could have been just as easily told in the old timeline without changing a single thing about the story....sorry I got off topic but whenever the subject comes up I can't help but rant...even though I brought it up

I think people need to wait. The universe itself is still very new. They said they would revive Wally eventually. I'm hoping to see Obsidian again, too, so I hope they would find some ways to bring back old characters.

they may...but they still won't be the Wally, Donna, Obsidian, and Jade from before...they'll be dramatically different simply for new fan sake...there's been absolutely no mention of Donna or Wally in the New 52 so it's hard to imagine that either operated as they're previous identities as Kid Flash or Wonder Girl also Barry Allen never died in the new timeline so Wally most likely never became the Flash....Alan Scott is gay now and much younger so it's going to be hard for them to get Obsidian and Jade in there since both of their powers are directly derived from the Star Heart...so like I said if they do introduce them then they're going to be completely different characters just for the sake of roping in new fans

which is the core problem of new 52. DC is rebooting for the sake of trying to lure in new readers. when all they need to do is advertise more and in more places, get comics on shelves in places where normal people are. Imagine if Detective comics was on teh rack next to the tabloids and women's mags at the supermarket? it would sell a lot more because everyone loves batman and it woudl be a great impulse buy for children. what will be next? another red and blue supermans? comics only ever get into the general public awareness when they do something drastic to iconic core characters. meanwhile they seem to be trying to run them selves out of business by limiting their market presence to nerd caves.

Actually, they used to do that... back in the 90's. Unfortunately that era also caused the industry to collapse, and now it's not profitable to stick them in spinners anymore, since they won't sell.

Things are/were so bad, you could go to any local comic con and find that despite all the cosplayers, movies, dvds and writers involved with comics, you wouldn't see people actually selling any books.. at freaking Comic-con.

It's not how they sell things thats the problem, its what.

@Redberry said:

@sunhawk said:

I think it would have been better to make Power Girl gay, no real established relationships or children. Plus she is a Kryptonian, and there was a substantial amount of Les Yay! with Atlee.

Supposed that DC doing it for publicity, they wouldn't get any coverage that way because "lesbians are hot". I believe it's more James Robinson's decision because he always wanted a gay character in his book, and he said there would be a gay character even before began writing for the Earth-2.

The thing is, lesbians are far more accepted by people than gay men. Plus, I seen (and actively sought out) enough Powergirl porn on the internet, I can keep my erotic fantasies separate from my reading material, despite what DC thinks about most straight men.

@Redberry said:

@joshmightbe said:

What I find amusing is that no one outside of Comic fans knew who Alan Scott was now they're all up in arms about well known characters turning gay over him

That was just an excuse to dislike homosexuality. A lot of people who don't even read comics get up in arm about the Green Lantern movie even though the wuss in the movie is Hal not Alan.

Actually, One Million Moms (a recognized anti-LGBTQ hate group who in fact have less than a million members, most of whom, including their founder, are men) was forced to shut down their Facebook page because backlash against their post about this story was so strong they couldn't handle all the spam. So right there, score one for DC comics. That alone makes the reboot worth it for me.

@TheOptimist: Great points about representation, though I think that most need to remember the fact that in North America whites are quickly losing their status as the majority, especially to the ever growing Hispanic population, but at the same time were dealing mostly with characters and settings created to match a point in time where the idea that whites literally were everything important in the world was pretty widespread. That's why I support adding more people of diverse backgrounds coming in as often as possible, because popular culture has always been slow in reflecting real life. Of course in comics it's difficult to introduce new characters at all, let alone gay ones, but Batwoman has been VERY well received, so it all falls down to the writer to make us care.

As for the old readers getting offended and leaving... Well I think that's to be expected. The fact is, DC's model of doing all they could to appeal to old fans was clearly not working for them. As many articles and figures have shown, most comic readers were long time followers, not newcomers, so whenever they left just because they outgrew comics or couldn't afford them, there was no one to come and replace them. I personally really got into DC with the reboot, since I just feel that most books pre-reboot just weren't as good as now. Besides the Stephanie Brown Batgirl and Secret 6, I was only reading Batman and Green Lantern and no other B-list or C-list character, unlike now where I'm reading things like Swamp Thing, Animal Man etc. which long lost the ability to support their own titles years ago. Appealing to old comers got them in trouble, changing things has been shown to be very successful. Now if you want to argue that some characters were done a disservice with their changes, thats fine, but until I've read earth 2 #2 I'm withholding judgement, but I'm optimistic

@JonesDeini: I have no problem being flirty, I really just had a problem with how it didn't really seem to fit, or, more to the point, it was poorly written flirtyness. But again, haven't read the issue, so maybe it'll read smoother in context of the rest of the issue.

@Redberry: Yeah, i noticed it too immediately after posting, I edited it to just slurs

@Uno_Oscuro said:

I'm okay with homos in comics, its cool with me. But when they just throw a gay character in or just make an established character gay for no real justification, it ticks me off.

Word of it advice, you just reek of insincerity when you use the word "homos".

Just saying that slurs kinda detract from whatever point you were going to make

@AweSam said:

Greetings big wall of words, we meet again. You know the deal; I don't read you, you don't bore me.

"Look here, a stranger posts something I have no urge to read

I better tell him about it, because clearly he was writing it to suit MY tastes and interests."

@Planewalker said:

I dropped Stormwatch because of the in your face relationship between Apollo and Midnighter, I have no prob with them being gay but hugs and kisses bother be... during Warren Ellis time on the Authority that never happened, so I guess I'm not going to pic this one up.

If you really were fine with them being gay, you would have no problem with the physical side. It's one thing to be uncomfortable with it initially, which is understandable for straight people, but to drop a title solely for the reason that you haven't grown up and learned to accept expressions of love between people of the same sex just means you missed the point on those lessons of tolerance just about every X-man comic preaches.