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#1 Posted by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

@Immortal777: Please explain. The Presence is not Omnipotent, and that's what it would take to best Pre Retcon Beyonder. The Presence is a god that inherited a large portion of the Godwave. Therefore The Source > The Presence since The Source is the origin of the Godwave which is what created and gave the Gods their power.

The Source > The Presence

PR Beyonder > LT

I don't like comparing Marvel vs DC but based on whats been presented PR Beyonder easily wins.

#2 Posted by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: I was assuming that the Source being that he created he Godwave was vastly more powerful. But I guess the DC and Marvel Universes are most definitely not equal. That being the case I agree with justleader. Pre retcon Beyonder for sure solo's and the only thing above him should be The One Above All (not the Celestial).

#3 Posted by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio


The Presence is not a supreme being... The Presence is in fact the Judeo-Christian God in the DC Universe. It has been called the creator of the DC Universe in some stories but others stories say it is simply another god that inherited a large portion of the Godwave.

The Source in fact has never been retconned. It has always been said to be the origin of the Godwave which is responsible for creating the Gods.

So the Source itself beats the LT and Beyonder. The Presence doesn't even need to be here.

But that's assuming that the DC Universe (Multiverse) is equal to the Marvel Universe (Omniverse). But for sake of argument I'm assuming they are.

#4 Posted by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

@Manchine said:

@Edamame said:
"@Manchine said:

" Black Bolt with the OBVIOUS win. "

Even if he makes himself intangible or teleports behind him and attacks him or grows to a very large size (larger than buildings in any city) or manipulates his own body to evade Black Bolt's attacks (complete control of his body on the cellular and molecular level) or flies away? Who has the faster reaction time? "
Black Bolt wins, he is not faster or stronger then black bolt. Making himself intangible doesn't mean he won't be effected by his scream. He grows that just makes him easier to hurt (he doesn't get tougher or stronger if he grows). Sorry Apocalypse is not a Grade A character. He is not equal to Thor/Hulk/Surfer/Black Bolt.

Nothing against you at all. But that post is just not true at all. It is fact that Apocalypse is physically stronger than Hulk. Which makes him stronger than Black Bolt, Surfer and Thor for that matter. Also that Apocalypse is faster..... I'm not going to argue that Apocalypse is more powerful than Thor or Silver Surfer as I don't believe he is but he's certainly not being pushed over by them. But that's an entirely different topic all together. None of that really matters though. Black Bolt clearly won in HoM. But in 616 Apocalypse clearly was not affected by Black Bolt shouting his head off along with the X-Men and Avengers on on his side. It's not hard to realize that events and characters are drastically different in alternate universes. Like when Magneto ripped Apocalypse in half in AoA. Magneto clearly can't do that in 616 and I'm biased for Magneto.

#5 Posted by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

@_slim_ said:

Blanka solos.


#6 Posted by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

These are the characters

Street Fighter: Ryu, Ken, Chun-li, Cammy, Guile, Abel, Dhalsim, Sagat, Rolento, Ibuki, Poison, Hugo, Rufus, Zangief, Vega, Balrog, M.Bison, Juri, Akuma, Sakura, Blanka, Guy, Cody, Elena, Dudley

Tekken: Kazuya, Nina, Asuka, Lili, Heihachi, Kuma, Paul, Law, King, Marduk, Hwoarang, Steve, Bob, Julia, Yoshimitsu, Raven, Jin, Xiaoyu, Ogre, Lars, Alisa, Bryan, Jack-X, Christie, Lei

Tier 1: Akuma

Tier 2: M.Bison, Ryu, Sagat

Tier 3: Ken, Guy

Tier 4: Chun-li, Abel, Cody, Zangief, Rolento, Juri, Guile, Vega

Tier 5: Cammy, Dhalsim, Balrog, Hugo, Sakura, Ibuki

Tier 6: Dudley, Blanka,

Tier 7: Elena, Rufus

Tier 8: Poison

I only did the Street Fighter characters since I don't know all the Tekken characters well enough. Where do the Tekken characters fall into the tier list?

#7 Edited by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

@fesak said:

From the Street Fighter plot guide: (Japanese names)

Tier 1
Gouki, Gill, Oro, SFZ3 Final Vega, Ingrid - the strongest out of the
SFer's. They outclass everyone. This group's in the godly range (in
some cases like Ingrid, literally).
Tier 2
SF2 Vega, Sagat, Ryu, SnH Ryu, Q(hinted), SF4 Gouken
Tier 3
Ken, Gen (and SFZ Gouki), Rose, Nash, Urien, Guy, Seth
Tier 4
Guile, Chun-Li, Hugo, Balrog, Twelve (hinted), Maki, Abel, C. Viper, Sodom,
Rolento, Cody, Sakura, Juri (hinted)
Tier 5
Adon, Bison, Cammy, Zangief, Dhalsim, T. Hawk, Alex, Eagle, Birdie
(Saiki places Cody and Guy here, but Tiamat thinks they should go higher
for Streetwise reasons)
Tier 6
Everyone else but Tier 7 (things get really sloppy here, due to how most
characters below tier 5 do not have enough storyline info to tier on
noncircumstantial evidence). A pretty good guess, I think, would be this
(consider the rest of the characters in this tier and below to just be
Tier 6
The Twelve dolls, Karin, Necro, Dudley
(Saiki places Rolento and Sodom here, but Tiamat thinks they should go higher)
Tier 7
Blanka, Fei-Long, E. Honda, El Fuerte
Tier 8
Makoto, Ibuki, Elena, Yun, Yang, Remy?, Dee Jay, R. Mika
Tier 9
Dan, Rufus
Tier 10

Yeah I pretty much agree with that list.

Tier 1

Oni, Akuma (Gouki), Gill, Oro, Final M.Bison (SFA3 Vega), Ingrid

Tier 2

M.Bison (Vega), Sagat, Ryu, Evil Ryu, Gouken, Gen (and SFA Gouki)

Tier 3

Ken, Rose, Charlie (Nash), Urien, Guy, Seth, Q(hinted)

Tier 4

Guile, Chun-Li, Zangief ,Vega (Balrog), Twelve (hinted), Maki, Fei-Long, Abel, C. Viper, Sodom,

Rolento, Cody, Juri

Tier 5

Balrog (M.Bison), Cammy, Hugo, Dhalsim, T. Hawk, Alex, Yun, Yang, Eagle, Sakura, Ibuki

Tier 6

Karin, Necro, Dudley, Birdie, Adon, The Dolls

Tier 7

Blanka, E. Honda, El Fuerte

Tier 8

Makoto, Elena, Remy, Dee Jay, R. Mika

Tier 9

Dan, Rufus

Tier 10

Sean, Poison

There's no proof that anyone is stronger than Shin Akuma other than Oni(which basically is Shin Akuma), that's why IMO Ingrid is 2nd only to Oni or equal to Shin Akuma. Ingrid could very well be number 1 but because of the lack of information Oni's an undisputed number 1. Oro fights with 1 arm to prevent killing most opponents so that's why he's with Gill, the Street Fighter 3 boss, Final Bison(Vega), the Street Fighter Alpha 3 boss, and regular Akuma(Gouki). Gen fought with Akuma(Gouki) and survived the match so I put him with Gouken, M. Bison(Vega), Sagat, and Evil Ryu.

#8 Edited by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

1. The One Above All

2. Pre Recon Beyonder

3. The Heart of the Universe(Heart of the Infinite)

4. Living Tribunal

5. Nemesis the Infinity Being

6. Infinity Gaunlet

7. Eternity and Infinity merged together

8. Full Powered Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier

9. Abraxas/Eternity/Infinity/Full Powered Galactus/Death/Oblivion/Phoenix Force(the force itself not the avatars)

10. Infinites/The Seven Friendless/Zom/Sise-Neg/Protege/Mikaboshi(Chaos King)

11. Master Order/Lord Chaos

12. Stranger/In-Betweener

13. Cosmic Cube Beings/Kronos

14. Dormammu

15. Shuma-Gorath

16. The Vishanti

17. Cyttorak

18. Celestials (not as a whole)

19. Skyfathers/Elder Gods

20. Mistress Love/Master Hate

#9 Posted by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

1st: Thor

2end: Hulk

3rd: Iron Man

4th: Cap

5th: Hawkeye

^. Thor doesn't need Odinforce to win. But if he had it it's just overkill.

#10 Posted by ChompOnThis12589 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

Full powered Galactus wins for sure unless this is Dormammu when he merged with Eternity, then Dormammu wins.