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#1 Edited by CheeseSticks (2703 posts) - - Show Bio

With an X-Men slogan on the cover? Really?

#2 Posted by CheeseSticks (2703 posts) - - Show Bio

How would you know? Do you do demographics surveys?

People don't always do features to try and capture other audiences. Alot of times people just make music with other people who they respect musically.

It doesn't matter if Pop & Rap are different genres because people can listen to both. I know people who listen to mostly Hip-Hop but are also fans Rihanna, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, Ariana Grande, Pink etc so it's not like it's impossible for them to have captured the same audience especially considering that Eminem has 2 Diamond albums and sells more than most rappers every time he drops something. I think it's safe to say their fanbases intersect.

Cory Gunz is a virtually unknown artist but Wayne put him on a feature and that's one his most successful songs and even more so than songs he's done with more successful artists which proves who you feature with isn't as important as how the listeners receive the song.

Yes I actually study in Consumer science and I did with 100 persons who listen to hip-hop. Comparing Hip-Hop with every genre of music and the actual genre who correlate the most with Hip-Hop was Rock with 12% of Hip-Hop listener were listen to Rock. And Pop was at 6%. So yeah, the majority of Hip-Hop fans do not listen to pop everyday.

Agreed on your second point, put you can't blind yourself when I say the feats are sometimes used to boost the audience for the artist. It is a fact.

Agreed, some people listen to both genre. But the point here is the majority. Of course some are listening to both, but in majority, nope.

Agreed again, but again, the point isn't about one song. We are talking about majority. You can't denied that the public of 12-16 years old are easily influence when they see their favorite artist on someone else album. They will absolutely check this album. It's basic marketing. Of course there is a public who's smart enough to ignore those thing and judge an album only by it's content, but there will always be that public who check everything that their favorite artist is doing, buying everything and the artist know that.

So, you have good point and I respect that, but there is both side on a medal. Yes, some songs are done only because of passion and respect with another artist. But today's feat are also for marketing matters and making money of the back of their audience. The second point was not really present in Old School Hip-Hop (LL Cool J was doing it, Vanilla Ice and some other borderline Rap-Pop artist) and that is why I hate when people glorifiy new school artist. The passion isn't the same, old school hip-hop wasn't primary about making money. It was about telling a story and a message.

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@static_shock: Well that is even better then. He is a sellout since the start LOL

LOL @ this guy trying to justify his argument now.

What good, relevant mainstream rapper doesn't do songs with pop artists?

There. You just point it out. Real Hip-Hop is underground. Hip-Hop like in the 80's-2000's is underground now. The mainstream Hip-Hop is full of non talent using voice changer and boosting their sale with pop artist. The art of Rap is gone. Just like NaS said, Hip-Hop is dead.

#4 Posted by CheeseSticks (2703 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: Well that is even better then. He is a sellout since the start LOL

#5 Posted by CheeseSticks (2703 posts) - - Show Bio

@vance_astro: Do you seriously need prove that the majority of the persons who listen to Eminem do not listen to Rihanna... Its actually why there is a feat. To boost the popularity with the public of the one on the feat. Pop and Rap are two genre, obviously many persons who listen to Eminem does not listen to Rihanna.

Cory Gunz, Drake and Minaj are all new school artist like Lil Wayne. I dont see what you are trying to prove. We are talking about Eminem and Lil Wayne boosting each other in sale because they have a different audience.

Then if you glorify autotune is rap, maybe you should listen to some old school rap and see that real talent doesnt need a voice changer.

#6 Edited by CheeseSticks (2703 posts) - - Show Bio

@vance_astro: You do know that the people who listen to Rihanna are not the same who listen to Eminem? Therefore, making a song with Rihanna gives him more buyers and more money. If it was Rihanna's album and Eminem was a feat, you would be right. But it was Eminem's album.

Same logic for Lil Wayne, he has a special new school audience who like autotune because he use it everytime and most of those who listen to Eminem at the time were old school fan. SO making a song with Wayne gives another boost with the New schooler.

And yeah, if a rapper does a pop album, even if it's one, if he continue to use autotune after this one, he's no rapper IMO. Real rapper don't use autotune.

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Nicieza is a must buy. Second best X-Men writer.

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@cheesesticks said:

Well that's pretty much what he did lol. He was rapping before and not using autotune. He saw that autotune was becoming popular with the young generation SO he used autotune and pop artist to make more money. That's basically what you just said.

Actually that's not what he did. According to Kanye's own words he had alot of emotion he wanted to express on 808's & Heartbreak but he couldn't do that through rapping so he wanted to sing. He says that "auto-tune makes him a better singer". Most of Kanye's features are with rappers, I can't say he didn't make songs with pop artists to make more money but I don't think you can either. It's very possible Kanye simply respects those artists for what they do.

You just proved my point. If he wanted to sing, he's not a rapper.

And yeah, if he did a song with a famous pop artist, it's logic 101 to know that he want a boost. Just like Eminem when he did a song with Rihanna and Lil Wayne.

#10 Posted by CheeseSticks (2703 posts) - - Show Bio

@cheesesticks said:

@vance_astro: doing songs with pop artist and using autotune when he didn't before. He became a sellout.

I don't see how either of those things make him a sell-out. A sell-out is somebody who goes against what they stand for in order to fit in or make more money. I don't think that applies here.

Well that's pretty much what he did lol. He was rapping before and not using autotune. He saw that autotune was becoming popular with the young generation SO he used autotune and pop artist to make more money. That's basically what you just said.