first off i said donna does not have diana's memories. meaning that she has her own memories. not diana's. she has been with the titans since she was a young girl and did not get as much training.
secondly are you twelve? do you have to get insulting. we are having a debate here. you don't have to act like a child.
saying that carol did not use combat sikills in that fight would be like saying donna only used her powers in her fight with diana. carol took on a legion of superpowered skrulls by herself and won. donna got clobbered by three wonder woman villains. whether it be a plot point or not.
and the post says anything goes not whatever you want it to be. you are the one trying to dictate the boundaries of the post.
and carol has accessed her binary powers while in her ms. marvel persona. in the ms. marvel series.
donna is a great hero. but carol would take her out.
"first off just because she knew diana as a a child does not mean that she remembers diana's training. plus she was not there for much of her childhood because of dark angel. that is why she is younger than diana physically.
That's not why I posted it. You said that Donna didn't remember Diana's childhood, and I posted that scan to show that she did. Now, you're trying to change it.
@charlieboy said:
"yes donna did take on diana and she did not win. it was a draw.
The fact that she didn't win ISN'T relevant. She had the skills to fight her. Whether she won or not is of no consequence. Are you reading what's being posted?
@charlieboy said:
just like the post says ms. marvel (carol danvers). and she is still capable of accessing binary level powers. and ANYTHING GOES.
Ms. Marvel can't become Binary here for reasons stated. Anything goes means anyway you can win, not being able to do whatever you want in terms of power. That wasn't was the OP meant. Note that it only says Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers). Not Binary (Carol Danvers).
@charlieboy said:
"as for carol being a better fighter. how about when she took on all of those superskrulls who had the powers of the x-men and the avengers. donna could not even beat cheetah giganta and doctor psycho.
Everyone in the Marvel Universe was able to fight Skrulls. Even the Young Avengers. You don't need fighting skills to fight a bunch of aliens. All you need are superhuman powers. Being able to fight Skrulls doesn't grant you fighting skills. Wonder Woman's fighting skills trumps that of any Skrull. You're comparing Carol fighting aliens with no fighting skills, to Donna fighting Wonder Woman. I don't see how that works. Besides, since you want take it that far, wasn't Carol tortured by kidnappers? LOL.
@charlieboy said:
"donna troy has been my favorite titan since i was a little kid.
I don't care if you have Donna Troy posters and bedsheets.
@charlieboy said:
"i know her limitations.
Apparently, you don't know enough.
@charlieboy said:
"she is not wonder woman.
She doesn't have to be, not to fight Ms. Marvel.
@charlieboy said:
"but carol is definitely the better fighter.
Sadly, Carol doesn't have any real showings of fighting skills, and fighting a bunch of cannon fodder aliens doesn't grant her that. "
first off just because she knew diana as a a child does not mean that she remembers diana's training. plus she was not there for much of her childhood because of dark angel. that is why she is younger than diana physically.
yes donna did take on diana and she did not win. it was a draw. and diana did not finish the fight. i read that story and diana would have clobbereh her if she wanted to.
yes darkstar had different powers. she also had different powers as troia. but the post says donna troy. and donna troy was all of those characters. just making a point. just like the post says ms. marvel (carol danvers). and she is still capable of accessing binary level powers. and ANYTHING GOES.
as for carol being a better fighter. how about when she took on all of those superskrulls who had the powers of the x-men and the avengers. donna could not even beat cheetah giganta and doctor psycho.
donna troy has been my favorite titan since i was a little kid. i know her limitations. she is not wonder woman. donna troy gets taken down every once in awhile. as does carol. but carol is definitely the better fighter. because getting into a fight with your sister does not make you batman.
no i have batgirl's secret origin story. she never got the black belt before she was crippled. she became a better hand to hand fighter as oracle. she was never that great a martial artist as batgirl. and cassie's body language reading is not lethal? the girl is an assasain. and i agree that steph would take misfit. if she had no powers. but huntress would take babs. which she took her down easily in her origin mini. and canary would take cassie. and steph does not stand a chance against canary and huntress.
@Static Shock: yet again carol danver is ms. marvel and binary and is capapble of reaching those power levels still as demonstrated in her series. that is like saying that donna is a different person than wonder girl or troia or darkstar. they are all the same character. you are putting her on a par with wonder woman. and yes donna is stronger than carol. but you still did not explain if donna is on a par with diana why did she get trounced by her villains when she was wonder woman? donna does not have the skill that wonder woman has. carol is the better fighter. and yes donna does have recollection of her alternate versions. but a lot of those versions were just nomal people. don't reall see how that is a plus. she remembers them. does not mean that she has their skill sets. so you have not proven that donna is better trained. or a better fighter. and carol. can become more powerful than donna when absorbing enough energy. ms. marvel still takes it.
first off i apologize is i seemed insulting. i did not mean to come off like that. but how is powers unfair? cassandra has this unrealistic way of reading body language which is almost as far fetched as having powers which is said to have placed her at almost metahuman level early in her own ongoing. huntress is a better fighter than either barbara or steph. don't get me wrong i love all the characters. barbara was a good fighter but i believe all she ever got was a brown belt when she was batgirl. her main ability was her intellect. she could outthink huntress for sure. but hand to hand huntress gets it. and i think canary could take out cassandra. she was trained by shiva and has more experience. plus if she can use gadgets she had a mechanized canary cry when she has lost her powers. cass goes down.
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