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@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
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@time said:
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Do tell what there is to like about Bendis'Frost in detail, if possible. I'm very intrigued as this is a first for me. It's not about who's writing who. Laura left the X-Men for specific reasons, she needed a change of environment and there was a change of dispositions. Her time was up. She needed to develop outside of their ranks and fully realize who she was, inside and out, without Hellion stalking her and Logan breathing down her back with binge-breath, and as it were, she liked it.
I've seen Bendis write a plethora of other females who should be strong and independent of the usual tropes. X-23 kissing some guy with her leg flicked in the air like that, written by Bendis, is more than an indication that she is going to regress. The story need not be shown. Bendis is typical.
I enjoy seeing Emma in a situation where she has none of the control that she had before. A situation Bendis has dumped her in. In fact since she has grown from her constant snide remarks I think she is far better off as a character. The scene where Emma is thought projecting and we can read her inner and outer turmoil in Uncanny X-men issue 2 was fascinating. In fact her whole conversation about her tenuous relationship with Scott was all highly interesting.
The same goes for the issue when she psychically converses with the Cuckoos. Here we see her vulnerable, yet at the same time showing the resilience of character we know from her. Again it is character development that many writers would never dare do.
And it's always about who is writing who. It is the writers who are the ones to place trust in, the writers who we want to both match and defy our expectations. And Bendis writes a fantastic, very unconventional Jessica Jones in Alias, which is a fantastic book that everyone should read.
I see. Thanks for your informative input.
But towards Laura, when said writer's decided to take a character out of their personal development train to showcase them in something seemingly less imaginative and on a different route, and when said writer has a reputation of drastically taking characters under his wing for "development" only to be found wanting a few issues later, disdain when it happens again is only warranted. Bendis has time and again hyped fans for years in dragging characters from the pit only to do the worst or do nothing at all (see Dazzler where she's since been used as a convenient foil for Mystique's mastermind of a plan.
X-23, honestly, does not need to be back with them again.
Tbh, without the snide remarks, you have a lifeless doll of what used to be--it's a definitive trait--her own definitive and distinct trait. That's who she is, snarks and snide and that's why her fans love her for it. Indeed he has left Emma in a different place from whence she used to be, the mighty have fallen, but he hasn't done anything of substance with it. She's still Scott's latex handbag and she's still lost in life since the first issue of UXM, which has, for the majority of the time, been another rendition on the life and times of Scott Summers. Emma's basically just standing around doing nothing or having convos with the Cuckoos. Heck, they've received more development than she has.
You can place characters in different contexts and change the dispositions, but when nothing's done with it, what's the point ? What's her motivation for actually being with Scott Summers and being a part of his revolution ? Your guy certainly hasn't delved into that.
She literally doesn't even sound like herself anymore. More like a Portland druggie. Jessica Jones on the other hand, is a Bendis creation--not a valid enough point of reference for how Bendis writes strong female characters (which he can't), in comparison to all else. go figure (but Alias wasgood).
I could go on, but i for one, see a very bleak, regressive and unimaginative future for X-23 now that she's no longer in Arena.
Well I have to disagree on this point, Bendis took Norman Osborn and made him a more interesting character than he ever was in the pages of Spider man. He took Jessica Drew and made Spider-woman a top tier character. He made forefront Avengers of those who would never have been on a roster before. In fact he made Luke Cage and Iron Fist two of the most prominent New Avengers for quite some time and wrote them in a way that they were able to relate to modern audiences. He made mocking bird a decent character, and his moonstone is a tremendous villain in Dark Avengers!
Emma has retained her snide, but her vulnerability as a person is coming through it as well. I also think that her reasons for acting as she is has been given better than it has been in a while. No longer is she doing something purely because she is Scott's blind follower, she believes in the mutant revolution. Her conversation about Xavier not being as much of a saint as Cyclops remembers hims seems to be some of the only dissenting words about Xavier since his death.
She is a brilliant teacher and she believes in the cause, she is one of the figureheads in fact. Yeah Scott is the lead, but this is similar to Captain America in the Avengers, or what wolverine used to be in the X-men where stories have one main figure head. And seeing her in Iron Man's face about the phoenix force was brilliant.
Osborn only seemed liked the most ingenious megalomaniac villain (i.e interesting) of his era because Bendis wrote the American public--maybe the whole world--as to having the mental capacities of newborn babies, in fact, lower than that. They were moronic idiots and time and time again, fell for all of his obvious tricks and lies. There wasn't much realism behind the development, even it is comics. It detracts from the quality.
Spiderwoman wasn't Spiderwoman while he handled her for the most part, that was Queen Veranke of the Skrulls. She was more 'developed' under Bendis' pen than the actual character, lol. And where, oh where, is she now? Furthermore, up until Secret Avengers, Mocking Bird's character began to revolve more around the "mock", having being killed in Bendis' new vol. of NA and having had any possible relationship with Clint pummeled because Bendis preferred JessicaxClint instead, and it hasn't done Jessica much good either.
She's vulnerable, but she was also formerly independent. Now she's just a tool. The woman has given absolutely everything to Summers and he's done nothing but throw it back in her face, with interest. She has no reason to be a part of a Mutant Revolution that hasn't even started ffs, like, she's Emma-bloody-Frost. I wouldn't mind it if, at least, there was this sub-plot within the series where Emma went off on her own for some soul-searching, cause, you know, that used to happen in the actual UXM, but there's not even that.
Nooo, she's just standing around not doing much. Her fans will tell you otherwise to what you think.
Osborn was written wonderfully under the eye of Bendis. It is easy to say that the public was stupid but they had just come through super heroes beating each other up and an invasion from aliens, where the public face of some of them was these same heroes. They don't know the ins and outs of Osborn's past and Osborn himself even faces these accusations and places them in the same context as they do Hawkeye, who used to be a villain, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, etc. To say now that the public is idiotic for following a former super villain when they have done said same thing for years before hand anyway is not consistent with their former actions in the marvel universe. Remember what it must be like to live in the marvel universe where the only constant is change.
Yeah it was Veranke but he did write her in spider woman agent of sword (which took place after secret invasion as far as I know?) and essentially Veranke had her character, as they can be said to act in mostly the same way as she was effectively almost her. And where she is now is under Hickman. Bendis had her continue to be her usual unusual self in rest of the Avengers issues that he wrote.
Emma's reason to part of the mutant revolution is that she does believe in the cause. She believes in mutant kind! Her soul searching has happened, just in a very small way I guess, she no longer really has a place anywhere. She has alienated everyone after being phoenixed up, including Scott, who she genuinely feels bad about betraying with Namor despite his constant loyalty. Her home was with the X-men,. she made it there after the hellfire club and even this she has ruined. So where does she go? Back to prison? She is Emma Frost and she has now been given a new lease of life, she has the cuckoos back under her tutelage who she knows she can improve and who she knows she needs to keep together. You say he has done nothing but throw it back at her with interest? The same Scott Summers who entered her mind, risking his mind being lobotomized, to fight off a sliver of the Void, one of the most powerful forces in the universe, to save the woman he loved?
@the_goddess_of_chaos: The hidden life of Scott Summers! Next week is his sordid affair with Doop and after that he gets with Nimrod. I had a joke but I thought it might be too far! Ha!
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@time said:
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane said:
@chapmar said:
@ageofhurricane said:
@time said:
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Do tell what there is to like about Bendis'Frost in detail, if possible. I'm very intrigued as this is a first for me. It's not about who's writing who. Laura left the X-Men for specific reasons, she needed a change of environment and there was a change of dispositions. Her time was up. She needed to develop outside of their ranks and fully realize who she was, inside and out, without Hellion stalking her and Logan breathing down her back with binge-breath, and as it were, she liked it.
I've seen Bendis write a plethora of other females who should be strong and independent of the usual tropes. X-23 kissing some guy with her leg flicked in the air like that, written by Bendis, is more than an indication that she is going to regress. The story need not be shown. Bendis is typical.
I enjoy seeing Emma in a situation where she has none of the control that she had before. A situation Bendis has dumped her in. In fact since she has grown from her constant snide remarks I think she is far better off as a character. The scene where Emma is thought projecting and we can read her inner and outer turmoil in Uncanny X-men issue 2 was fascinating. In fact her whole conversation about her tenuous relationship with Scott was all highly interesting.
The same goes for the issue when she psychically converses with the Cuckoos. Here we see her vulnerable, yet at the same time showing the resilience of character we know from her. Again it is character development that many writers would never dare do.
And it's always about who is writing who. It is the writers who are the ones to place trust in, the writers who we want to both match and defy our expectations. And Bendis writes a fantastic, very unconventional Jessica Jones in Alias, which is a fantastic book that everyone should read.
I see. Thanks for your informative input.
But towards Laura, when said writer's decided to take a character out of their personal development train to showcase them in something seemingly less imaginative and on a different route, and when said writer has a reputation of drastically taking characters under his wing for "development" only to be found wanting a few issues later, disdain when it happens again is only warranted. Bendis has time and again hyped fans for years in dragging characters from the pit only to do the worst or do nothing at all (see Dazzler where she's since been used as a convenient foil for Mystique's mastermind of a plan.
X-23, honestly, does not need to be back with them again.
Tbh, without the snide remarks, you have a lifeless doll of what used to be--it's a definitive trait--her own definitive and distinct trait. That's who she is, snarks and snide and that's why her fans love her for it. Indeed he has left Emma in a different place from whence she used to be, the mighty have fallen, but he hasn't done anything of substance with it. She's still Scott's latex handbag and she's still lost in life since the first issue of UXM, which has, for the majority of the time, been another rendition on the life and times of Scott Summers. Emma's basically just standing around doing nothing or having convos with the Cuckoos. Heck, they've received more development than she has.
You can place characters in different contexts and change the dispositions, but when nothing's done with it, what's the point ? What's her motivation for actually being with Scott Summers and being a part of his revolution ? Your guy certainly hasn't delved into that.
She literally doesn't even sound like herself anymore. More like a Portland druggie. Jessica Jones on the other hand, is a Bendis creation--not a valid enough point of reference for how Bendis writes strong female characters (which he can't), in comparison to all else. go figure (but Alias wasgood).
I could go on, but i for one, see a very bleak, regressive and unimaginative future for X-23 now that she's no longer in Arena.
Well I have to disagree on this point, Bendis took Norman Osborn and made him a more interesting character than he ever was in the pages of Spider man. He took Jessica Drew and made Spider-woman a top tier character. He made forefront Avengers of those who would never have been on a roster before. In fact he made Luke Cage and Iron Fist two of the most prominent New Avengers for quite some time and wrote them in a way that they were able to relate to modern audiences. He made mocking bird a decent character, and his moonstone is a tremendous villain in Dark Avengers!
Emma has retained her snide, but her vulnerability as a person is coming through it as well. I also think that her reasons for acting as she is has been given better than it has been in a while. No longer is she doing something purely because she is Scott's blind follower, she believes in the mutant revolution. Her conversation about Xavier not being as much of a saint as Cyclops remembers hims seems to be some of the only dissenting words about Xavier since his death.
She is a brilliant teacher and she believes in the cause, she is one of the figureheads in fact. Yeah Scott is the lead, but this is similar to Captain America in the Avengers, or what wolverine used to be in the X-men where stories have one main figure head. And seeing her in Iron Man's face about the phoenix force was brilliant.
@ageofhurricane said:
@chapmar said:
@chapmar said:
@ageofhurricane said:
@time said:
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane said:
@chapmar said:
@ageofhurricane said:
@time said:
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Do tell what there is to like about Bendis'Frost in detail, if possible. I'm very intrigued as this is a first for me. It's not about who's writing who. Laura left the X-Men for specific reasons, she needed a change of environment and there was a change of dispositions. Her time was up. She needed to develop outside of their ranks and fully realize who she was, inside and out, without Hellion stalking her and Logan breathing down her back with binge-breath, and as it were, she liked it.
I've seen Bendis write a plethora of other females who should be strong and independent of the usual tropes. X-23 kissing some guy with her leg flicked in the air like that, written by Bendis, is more than an indication that she is going to regress. The story need not be shown. Bendis is typical.
I enjoy seeing Emma in a situation where she has none of the control that she had before. A situation Bendis has dumped her in. In fact since she has grown from her constant snide remarks I think she is far better off as a character. The scene where Emma is thought projecting and we can read her inner and outer turmoil in Uncanny X-men issue 2 was fascinating. In fact her whole conversation about her tenuous relationship with Scott was all highly interesting.
The same goes for the issue when she psychically converses with the Cuckoos. Here we see her vulnerable, yet at the same time showing the resilience of character we know from her. Again it is character development that many writers would never dare do.
And it's always about who is writing who. It is the writers who are the ones to place trust in, the writers who we want to both match and defy our expectations. And Bendis writes a fantastic, very unconventional Jessica Jones in Alias, which is a fantastic book that everyone should read.
@chapmar said:
@ageofhurricane said:
@time said:
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@ageofhurricane said:
@chapmar said:
@ageofhurricane said:
@time said:
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
@ageofhurricane said:
@time said:
@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
@hopesummersforthefuture: I definitely think Wolvie! When I look at the other one now I think....... dirty thoughts....
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