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@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in a overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
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@ageofhurricane: Arena is rubbish though, as we know some covers can be misleading. X-23 should be back with the X-Men, where she belongs. Not in some stupid Avengers title
That's your opinion. She's now being written by Bendis in an overtly stated cliche sub-plot as her to showcase her apparent "return", that's a fate far worse than anything i could imagine.
Which is your opinion. You have no idea what the plot is and she is now being written by Bendis which means she might get some focus and character development.
The plot's stated in the solicit, would you like a bold copy-and-pasted version ?
She was perfect in Arena, coming back to the X-Men is character regression, even more so when you're doing nothing but snogging ambiguous bad boys while at it, as if she wasn't doing that prior to her opportune departure. Lol "She is now being written by Bendis", that is not a good thing--see Emma Frost.
I quite like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. That is my opinion, just as it is your opinion that you do not like how Bendis writes Emma Frost. And you can't say that because a character was written well by a writer in one series that it is regression for them to be done by another writer..... when he has not even written the character yet!?
Osborn was written wonderfully under the eye of Bendis. It is easy to say that the public was stupid but they had just come through super heroes beating each other up and an invasion from aliens, where the public face of some of them was these same heroes. They don't know the ins and outs of Osborn's past and Osborn himself even faces these accusations and places them in the same context as they do Hawkeye, who used to be a villain, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, etc. To say now that the public is idiotic for following a former super villain when they have done said same thing for years before hand anyway is not consistent with their former actions in the marvel universe. Remember what it must be like to live in the marvel universe where the only constant is change.
Yeah it was Veranke but he did write her in spider woman agent of sword (which took place after secret invasion as far as I know?) and essentially Veranke had her character, as they can be said to act in mostly the same way as she was effectively almost her. And where she is now is under Hickman. Bendis had her continue to be her usual unusual self in rest of the Avengers issues that he wrote.
Emma's reason to part of the mutant revolution is that she does believe in the cause. She believes in mutant kind! Her soul searching has happened, just in a very small way I guess, she no longer really has a place anywhere. She has alienated everyone after being phoenixed up, including Scott, who she genuinely feels bad about betraying with Namor despite his constant loyalty. Her home was with the X-men,. she made it there after the hellfire club and even this she has ruined. So where does she go? Back to prison? She is Emma Frost and she has now been given a new lease of life, she has the cuckoos back under her tutelage who she knows she can improve and who she knows she needs to keep together. You say he has done nothing but throw it back at her with interest? The same Scott Summers who entered her mind, risking his mind being lobotomized, to fight off a sliver of the Void, one of the most powerful forces in the universe, to save the woman he loved?
Your definition of "wonderfully". Generally speaking, the non-superpowered population of the MU are quite dunce, but Osborn's level of scheming and manipulation wasn't that much better than a pre-schooler's, for what it's worth. Anyone could have seen through them and it played out like a Punk'd joke or something. This was nothing compared to what the humans would have come into contact with prior--they turned on and villainized Earth's Mightiest Heroes at the blink of an eye with no ifs buts or maybes, that's dumb and unrealistic. All to make Osborn's overall reign seem bigger than it really was, evidently, it worked. *shrugs*
Veranke and Spider woman are two different characters. And Spider woman was pretty much bg after Agent of Sword, which was pretty good, but she there was nothing to look out for--even if she is a favorite of Bendis'. But yeah, under Hickman doing lols, so much for a "top-tier"character.
It's not about having a place anywhere. This isn't high-school where you're obliged to fit in a clique no matter what the odds. Her life is a joke right now, she's Emma Frost--by definition, her own best friend--she needs to find herself and reevaluate everything, first and foremost thenworry about Scott's fake Revolution (if need be) and the Cuckoos, who came after she had inadvertently joined this gig. Where's this soul searching taken place, exactly ? Where's this "interesting direction" that Bendis is actually taking the time to mold for her, exactly ? She's a self-made woman, she had things before she fell head over heels in love with the man who's underhandedly ruined her life. And i'm not sure what a Fraction-penned story has to do with this. You do realize Scott's only with Emma, because the true love of his life pushed him that extra mile ?
Yes my definition of wonderfully, and my opinion is equally as valid as yours is.
See that's the thing, the people had had enough of the way things were, they maybe presumed for a while that anything would be better than what it was. Look at the trouble the initiative had due to it being a super hero school. The momentum had been building for quite some time for mistrust of heroes to be around, including their view point of a villain. And Osborn had backing from shield agents and so forth because they believed that he wanted to and had the power to change things for the better.
The fact that she is doing nothing under Hickman's run speaks to Hickman, not Bendis.
Fraction's story is an important point because it shows how much Scott was willing to do for her. And that is the whole point of this, people are saying that Emma needs no one, and why would she join or follow Scott and she had things before him, and this is true. But the thing is for the first time she had someone like Scott, as good a man as Scott who loved her and gave her a place. So now she is stuck between returning to the routes of a renegade, or trying to atone for what she sees as a failing on her part. She can't leave and re-evaluate herself because she is literally projecting her thoughts onto others, she is missing her shell, she is missing the ability to read peoples minds which is unfathomable to anyone. She is literally missing one of the senses she has had up to this point in life and that leaves her backed against a wall, even Emma Frost.
That's true and all, but in retrospect, the whole thing was silly and is devoid of seriousness and practicality. People don't just fall for things like that, like, we have brains. Obvs, a lot of people have fallen for Bendis' schitck, majority of the American populace themselves, so perhaps he was right in portraying them like that.
Top-tier characters don't just fall into obscurity, no matter who the writer is, it speaks to Bendis' apparent job-well-done of not doing anything of import with her.
Jean's the one that pushed Scott to Emma.
And I don't get it...she can't leave and reevaluate herself because she's projecting her thoughts onto others...but it'd be better to stay with a pack of clueless "criminals", coming into contact with Heaven knows what and being faced with situations that'll further deteriorate the situation and increase vulnerability ? That's supposed to help her ?
Indeed she is, and she's currently not doing anything to remove the predicament. Still a hand-bag, still a man's accessory. Bendis has of yet to show any evidence of actually delving into what's going on within her head and personal introspection, all "attempts" have been found wanting as she doesn't even sound like herself. She isn't Emma Frost, as a fan of hers roughly stated above. Literally just a lifeless sell in Uncanny. It's arguable that she kind of deserved this after being over-exposed post-2008, but this is worse than i would have liked.
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