DC PR Rant

So i was watching one of the video interviews with one of the writers for DC and of course they were throwing the word reboot and denying a retcon,  it kinda got tiring after hearing it over and over. The fact that their restarting their universe means it is a retcon like any other retcon made in comics calling it otherwise doesnt change the fact that Heroes will start their adventures over and recent stories will not have any impact to the character in their new adventures. If it wasnt a retcon why are characters that should be dead or paralyzed once again alive healthy and beginning their career? O_o
 
Why is Green Lantern finding out that Batman is real and not an urban Myth?
 

This means that they will share new adventures some being similar as the old story but more or less completely different continuity, just b/c you call it a reboot doesnt me it isnt a retcon. I guess we can call Heroes Reborn, Crisis on Infinite Earth, Zero Hour  a reboots as well and not retcons. *SMH* 
 
This Reboot name is an insult to their readers intelligence hoping not to anger their fan base while they try to get new readers before they cut the chord with the old readers that  supported the company for years. The writers have no respect for the readers let alone each other when you have writers failing to maintain character continuity and purposely ignoring past writer in favor for their own story which results in these constant universal retcons that DC is known for and are mockingly predicted by readers and thrown around in forums to insult certain readers and their comic taste. 
 
I remember when i would pick up certain comics and reread a similar adventure with certain heroes and villains even having similar art with a modern art style that mirrored something that i vaguely remember reading in the 80's. It was a story that occurred prior to infinite earth with slight modification but the story was basically the same and i felt cheated by the writer and comic company. They recycled stories solely to get money and yet only the old readers would pick up on it while new readers thought it was new. How would you feel if you bought 5 comics only for it to be the same exact plot drawn by different artist  and slightly altered by writers, how long would you continue to buy these comics, would you call it a Reboot or a Retcon?
 
 
There is no difference what they call it the effects are the same just like their stories, all they will do is scale back powers and let their writers power them up back to ridicules levels only to repeat the process once it gets out of hand.  I feel like this is the PR Guy from Spin City trying to sell us a line of the Mayor not funneling tax money into a private account but actually relocating city assets to protect city financial interests. We readers are not stupid its insulting to think of us as such, what kinda shizz is it saying that it isnt a retcon b/c majority of the heroes will retain their original origin? O_0
 
Wolverine retained the same origin of how he received his adamantium in the Age of Apocalypse that hardly makes him the same wolverine of 616, Superman retained the same origin in the various retcons and else worlds that he has been in, that doesnt mean each superman is the same as the last one and their story part of continuity.
 
I can already see DC fans using the last DC adventures of heroes and villains to support arguments in the battle forum even when their rebooted heroes will lack any showings of power and feats of the previous incarnation. These reboots/retcons whatever they want to call it was old with Zero Hour and it was old when individuals heroes would have their origin individually altered do we really need to repeat it?
 
Instead of making reboots/retcons, how about DCU start firing people responsible for continuity errors and hiccups who do it purposely? 
these retcons/reboots dont fix anything if the people who screw things up like the Geoff Johns of the comic world are still allowed to continue working, we will continue to see these half @$$ retcon/reboots b/c you the readers keep buying garbage comic stories that make no sense, you let them get away with it instead of refusing to buy their stories.
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15 Comments
Edited by turoksonofstone
@castleking:   Instead of making reboots/retcons, how about DCU start firing people responsible for continuity errors and hiccups
Posted by cyberninja

Reboot haters and lovers are both on the same boat, it doesn't matter what the fans think, DC will do whatever is in their best interest, because after all it is a company.

Edited by castleking

you can call shixz chocolate all you want it doesnt mean it is and it will taste like it.
the company of course will do what they want so long as they make money which is why readers need to stop buying their garbage stories.
 
How many times do we need to have Flash meet Zoom, Superman, Batman in the same story plotline? O_o
enough is enough...
 
I wouldnt purchase these rehash  stories for my nephew and would rather he never heard of DC comics.

Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt
@cyberninja said:
Reboot haters and lovers are both on the same boat, it doesn't matter what the fans think, DC will do whatever is in their best interest, because after all it is a company.

this
Posted by castleking

I am a little ticked off on the reboot but accepting b/c i want my Batman back to what he should have been prior to joining the JLA in the Mid late 90's before they took him away from his street roots but i can already see that is not gonna happen. he will be right back to his bat kick and utility belt pis.
 
My actual problem is that these writers and company dont have the brass to call it what it is and insult us the readers who support the @$$holes above with jobs with our purchases in comics.
 
I am actually feel so insulted that i would support comic piracy just to rob them of their overpriced comic issues through their cheap marketing ploy. After all their is no real collectible value to these comics as they are now a dime a dozen and worthless in the long run.

Posted by turoksonofstone
@castleking said:
I am a little ticked off on the reboot but accepting b/c i want my Batman back to what he should have been prior to joining the JLA in the Mid late 90's before they took him away from his street roots but i can already see that is not gonna happen. he will be right back to his bat kick and utility belt pis.  My actual problem is that these writers and company dont have the brass to call it what it is and insult us the readers who support the @$$holes above with jobs with our purchases in comics.  I am actually feel so insulted that i would support comic piracy just to rob them of their overpriced comic issues through their cheap marketing ploy. After all their is no real collectible value to these comics as they are now a dime a dozen and worthless in the long run.
Quoted for Truth.
Posted by danhimself

actually there's a LOT of continuity sticking around after the relaunch....Batman is staying the same so is Green Lantern....they're pretty much getting rid of all the sucky things they've done that people haven't liked all that much like Rise and Fall....and they're compressing the timeline again...the first JLA arc takes place 5 years in the past and I think the Grant Morrison Superman book takes place even before that...they've said that Batman will have been operating in secret years before any other superheroes made their public debut.....I was really skeptical about the idea of the relaunch but the more I hear the more comfortable I've gotten

Edited by castleking

DCU wants to know how to increase comic sales gain fans and retain readership?
 
Its actually pretty easy hire good writers, write good stories and worry less about cheap marketing ploys and big tied events designed to take money from the readers while giving them nothing but a poorly written story that could be dreamed up by a 13 year old who never read a DC comic in his life and only has cursory knowledge of the characters.
 
This is a pretty easy basic business plan for a comic company. 
 
How many editors do you need to make sure someone doesnt screw up Superman's Batman, Aquaman strength and durability level?
if the writers cant do it maybe they shouldnt be working in comics.
 
How about  stop letting ridicules characters like SBP from existing in the 1st place without rhyme or reason. 
 
a lot of these comic  problems can be easily  solved by a legitimate comic  reader.. which i guess that is the problem to begin with many of the writers who now work in comics arent actually comic enthusiast and dont know anything about who they are writing.
 
The Jeph Loeb of the comics world,  i have a writing degree and work in hollywood..

Posted by castleking
@danhimself said:
actually there's a LOT of continuity sticking around after the relaunch....Batman is staying the same so is Green Lantern....they're pretty much getting rid of all the sucky things they've done that people haven't liked all that much like Rise and Fall....and they're compressing the timeline again...the first JLA arc takes place 5 years in the past and I think the Grant Morrison Superman book takes place even before that...they've said that Batman will have been operating in secret years before any other superheroes made their public debut.....I was really skeptical about the idea of the relaunch but the more I hear the more comfortable I've gotten
*sigh* 
 
there was a lot of back stories of characters that stuck after infinite crisis and Zero Hour  and various other individual events that doesnt make it part of the original continuity hence a retcon.
this lawyer talk BS doesnt make it anything other then what it is a Retcon of their universe and character.
 
I dont care how they try to spin the PR it is what it is, at least have the brass to admit it as such, i would respect the company more if they did and give them a chance. I personally wont purchase a single comic of this new universe, It's why God gave man the need and want to build Barnes & Noble. <_<
Posted by turoksonofstone
@danhimself said:
actually there's a LOT of continuity sticking around after the relaunch....Batman is staying the same so is Green Lantern....they're pretty much getting rid of all the sucky things they've done that people haven't liked all that much like Rise and Fall....and they're compressing the timeline again...the first JLA arc takes place 5 years in the past and I think the Grant Morrison Superman book takes place even before that...they've said that Batman will have been operating in secret years before any other superheroes made their public debut.....I was really skeptical about the idea of the relaunch but the more I hear the more comfortable I've gotten
Staying the same? being rebooted and made younger hardly qualifies as same.
Posted by turoksonofstone
@castleking said:
DCU wants to know how to increase comic sales gain fans and retain readership?
 
Its actually pretty easy hire good writers, write good stories and worry less about cheap marketing ploys and big tied events designed to take money from the readers while giving them nothing but a poorly written story that could be dreamed up by a 13 year old who never read a DC comic in his life and only has cursory knowledge of the characters.
 
This is a pretty easy basic business plan for a comic company. 
 
How many editors do you need to make sure someone doesnt screw up Superman's Batman, Aquaman strength and durability level?
if the writers cant do it maybe they shouldnt be working in comics.
 
How about  stop letting ridicules characters like SBP from existing in the 1st place without rhyme or reason. 
 
a lot of these comic  problems can be easily  solved by a legitimate comic  reader.. which i guess that is the problem to begin with many of the writers who now work in comics arent acyually comic enthusiast and dont know anything about who they are writing.
 
The Jeph Loeb of the comics world,  i have a writing degree and work in hollywood..
This is only true as it applies to Marvel and DC IMO.
Posted by castleking
@turoksonofstone said:
Staying the same? being rebooted and made younger hardly qualifies as same.
you are dealing with a DCU comic Fundamentalist.
Posted by turoksonofstone
@castleking said:
@turoksonofstone said:
Staying the same? being rebooted and made younger hardly qualifies as same.
you are dealing with a DCU comic Fundamentalist.
Understood.
Posted by castleking
@turoksonofstone said:

This is only true as it applies to Marvel and DC IMO.
you are correct i was really only implying DCU and Marvel for the most part, i shouldnt have generalized.
 
I think now is a good time for readers to start making the switch to independent comics and other companies like Top Cow.
For you comic collectors who look at rarity and value the independent comics are more likely to be worth more in the long run due to limiting printing.
Posted by turoksonofstone
@castleking said:
@turoksonofstone said:

This is only true as it applies to Marvel and DC IMO.
you are correct i was really only implying DCU and Marvel for the most part, i shouldnt have generalized.  I think now is a good time for readers to start making the switch to independent comics and other companies like Top Cow. For you comic collectors who look at rarity and value the independent comics are more likely to be worth more in the long run due to limiting printing.
and overall Quality I might Add.