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Looks good. I'll check it out when the time comes.

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@Nobody:
 1. There are a lot of big names that came after minority heroes started being introduced such as Iron Fist, Booster Gold, Red Robin, etc. Being "
established before minorities " doesn't mean that you'll be a hot seller. The reason so many minorities are not hot sellers is because they are poorly written, use stereotypes, etc. I gave a whole list about the problems with a majority of minority characters in my first post. Look at Storm. She has no criminal record. She's not called Black Storm. She's not Storm II. She's not Wolverine's sidekick. Because she wasn't created as a replacement or an inferior, she has had some success in the comic book world. I bet if she had a solo title out a lot of people would pick it up. Need another example? Blue Marvel. He's strong, not a sidekick, not a criminal, doesn't have Black in his name for no reason, and he's well liked. I'm willing to bet he could hold a solo title.
 
You know what doesn't sell? A poorly written and created character regardless of race. Bill Foster the (Black) Goliath was a replacement, had a racial name, was originally just a lab assistant,  was always in Hank Pym's shadow, and was awful in fights. Even if you made him White he wouldn't sell.
 
2. One cartoon about a team of superheroes may not affect minorities on its own. No. But the lack of minorities on Television is sad. And as long as I have breath in my body, I will argue for more minorities on Television who will set positive examples and show everyone that no matter what race you are, you can be a good guy. Like in the video I showed previously, young children can have a low opinion of their own race based on media images. I volunteer at an inner city day care, and you'd be surprised at how many Black and Asian children want to be white because they don't feel like their own race is highly valued. To sum it up--no I don't need to care about a battle over how diverse one TV showis. But I do care about the larger fight for more diversity which is why I need to argue in these small battles for individual shows.
 
3. The whole reason Sunfire doesn't sell is because fans don't know much about him. The reason they don't know much about him is because he hardly ever used. I'm not saying he should get a solo title, but with Marvel's 10+ teams, I don't see why he isn't even given a shot. Do you think people actually would have called Luke Cage one of their favorite characters before he was added to the New Avengers? He was a nobody before he was on a team. Now he's a somebody.
 
4. No response necessary.
 
5. Yeah, it does change things for me. People who jump into Iron Man or Spider-man will know they are White when they return to their civilian identities. People who jumped on to Spawn while he was Black, may not have known he was Black for a long time because he didn't look Black. Not everyone who read Spawn started with the early issues. To me that's like saying if a (white) Michael Jackson comic book sold well, minorities should be happy and satisfied with their representation in comics. If a minority character doesn't always look like a minority when they show their face, what's the point?
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Justice League and Ultimate Avengers: I don't care which Green Lantern is used or that Nick Fury's race was changed to Black. Hal Jordan SHOULD be the main GL because he was first and he has history. I'm not mad at DC for using John Stewart. I'm happy they did, because before reading comics, he was the only Black superhero I knew about. But I don't want my minority heroes to be replacements. I love John Stewart, but I'm tired of him always being compared and losing to Hal in battles and popularity contests, which is why I don't want my minorities to be replacements. I would rather have a minority hero who is very strong, but isn't burdened by being overshadowed by a White character with the same powers/background. That's John Stewart's and War Machine's major flaw as characters. They'll always come in second because they weren't created first.
 
SHS: I know about Earth's Mightiest Heroes the Avengers. I understand why the cast is all White. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. But I also realize that there will be little Asian, Black, and Latin children wondering why every superhero on the team is White. Studies show that media images affect how children view race. I don't want little kids thinking the only heroes are White ones.
 

  Sorry for being worried about how the media--in the grand scheme of things--will shape the future.
 
X-Men: I know. You're right, but I'm just talking about major players. I know there are plenty of minorities, but how many of them are highly respected and well written. Only a handful. Like I said in an earlier post, they should give characters like Sunfire a bigger role. He has cool powers and a cool background. He was Japan's Captain America at one point. Why isn't he a bigger X-Man or even an Avenger? He has the potential to be.
 
Static: I wasn't blaming DC (especially since Static was owned by Milestone at the time). I was just pointing out that race may still play a role in who is a major player by showing how race can play a role in who is marketed. I wasn't blaming anyone. I was just pointing out something I thought was sad. It's my fault that I didn't elaborate more. I apologize.
 
Spawn: Even in the cartoon and movie he's only recognizably black for like 15 minutes. Then he's like any other burn victim of any race.
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" @Captain13:  Justice League/Unlimited: John Stewart Ultimate Avengers: Black Panther Next Avengers: Black Panther's kid(sorry I don't know his name) Super Hero Squad: Reptil, Storm, etc X-Men: Storm, Jubilee, etc Static Shock: Static Spawn: Spawn   I can keep going on but I'd rather not. "

Justice League: Do you know how many people were mad that it was John instead of Hal or Kyle? I bet you a million bucks that when a Justice League movie comes out, there will only be a White Green Lantern on the roster. Which is fine. Hal came first and he's more popular. John Stewart will always just be the War Machine to his Iron Man.
 
Ultimate Avengers: Black Panther isn't a good Avenger because he has a country to run. I like him as a character. If you're talking about the movies, he was only in the second one and he wasn't actually an Avenger. If you're talking about the Ultimates, he was an Avenger for like 3 minutes.
 
Next Avengers: No complaints. His name is Azari btw.
 
Superhero Squad: Not really a lot of character development because there are so many characters, but I don't have complaints. It is what it is. If it were an Avengers show though with only 7-8 members, do you really think there would be a minority? Which one?
 
X-Men: Has always been about showcasing diversity. But other than Storm and Wolverine, I don't think they have any major players. Only Storm and Wolverine are heavily featured outside of X-books, so I don't see your point.
 
Static: Great show. Did you know that there aren't any toys of him from the cartoon, because fast food and toy companies didn't think he'd sell since he's a minority? 
 
Spawn: Doesn't really count since most of the time his face has been burnt beyonf racial recognition. Also he's been replaced by a White Spawn .
 
"I can keep going on but I'd rather not"
 
PS i wasn't complaining about a lack of minorities. i was complaining about minorities lacking big roles and minorities following racial stereotypes. Maybe you should read my post more carefully.
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All minorities have it rough in comics. The companies have made efforts at creating minority heroes, and I'm happy about that, but hardly any minorities are major players.
I define a major player as someone who will be put in movies and cartoons. Usually major players are on the same team and are VERY powerful.
 
DC's major players are on the Justice League. When a cartoon or movie is made the 7 members will most likely be Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, Flash, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman. 6 Whites, 1 Martian who usually turns into a White guy. Not okay.

Marvel's major players are on the Avengers.  When a cartoon or movie is made the 7 members will most likely be Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Giant Man, Hawkeye, Hulk. 7 Whites. Not okay.
 
I'm more concerned about the quality of minority heroes than anything else. I'm tired of Black heroes having "Black" before their name (Black Lightning, Black Goliath, Black Vulcan, Black Marvel, etc.). I'm tired of Asian superheroes not having a power other than Martial Arts skills (Karate Kid, Shang Chi, Coleen Wing, etc.). I'm tired of Black superheroes having a criminal past even if it's for a crime they didn't commit (Luke Cage, Falcon, etc.)I'm tired of minorities being treated like sidekicks (Kato, War Machine, Steel, Falcon, John Stewart, Goliath, etc.) I'm tired of  minority heroes having an origin involving slavery, samurai, ninja, or anything that instantly solidifies how much of a minority they are (Icon, pretty much every Asian and Latin American superhero, Bloodwynd, etc.)
 
I have to admit Marvel has done a good job of setting up creating heroes who just happen to be minorities lately. I could see my kids callin Blue Marvel, Storm, and Doctor Voodoo classic Avengers one day. They should give Sunfire a bigger role though. He has cool powers and a cool background. He was Japan's Captain America at one point. Why isn't he a bigger X-Man or even an Avenger? He has the potential to be.
 
DC has recently bought a lot of minority heroes from Milestone. Most of them are lame. (I.e. Icon- Slave background, boring personality, lame costume.) Some of them a cool but totally unused. (I.e. Xombi, Hardware). Static seems to be the only winner of the bunch. I don't see any of these guys being in a Justice League movie, on a cartoon Justice League Roster, or being known outside of comics. Where are the major  Asian heroes? Is John Stewart the only cool Black guy who can take on Superman? Is Blue Beetle the only Hispanic in the DC universe? The world may never know.
 
Why is it that so few minority heroes are above Street Level?

We just gotta hope that these companies will do more to be diverse the quality way instead of the quantity way.

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Havok, Storm, or Prodigy

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Fight takes place in the Grand Canyon. No Prep.

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I wish them both well. I just hope that this movie gives all the characters good screen time unlike the X-Men movies and Ocean's 11/12/13 which only focused on 3 people and made everyone else a background character.

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The best heroes are motivated by compassion.