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The Hulk is often considered a monster but with his heart in the right place. However, when Banner has been "shut down" or removed from the Hulk he has often gone berserk and been unable to recognize friend from foe. This leads me into wondering, is the Hulk only good because he has Banner in him? Or is the Hulk a good guy with or without Banner, just more uncontrollable without him?

Oops, I was supposed to post this in the Battles forum, can you relocate it?

This is interesting because both these two can take seemingly unlimited amounts of pain, but for different reasons - Wolverine has an insane healing factor and is accustomed to pain after years and years of all kinds of assaults, while Joker has no such powers but rather seems to simply not care about pain or even enjoy it at a masochistic sadistic level. I've been thinking of which kind of resistance is the most useful - one might argue that Wolverine's superpowers are more useful, but on the other hand you do have quite an edge over your enemy if you actually enjoy any pain they can hand out to you. Would any of them ever break down during a torture interrogation, and if so, whom do you think would break down first? Whose pain resistance is the most useful? Don't know if you can die from shock if you enjoy pain... Anyway, what do you think?

Just finished watching the TV miniseries "Sherlock" the other day (loved it), and it made me wonder - as Batman is often referred to as the world's greatest detective, does his intellect work in the same way as Sherlock Holmes or is he more dependent on his knowledge and technological data to gather information? Because I've never thought of Batman as the type of hero who can look at a dead body and know exactly what happened to the victim by observing the tiniest details, I've always thought of him more like the type of detective that uses great knowledge in many fields to solve puzzles and crimes. Or does Batman in fact possess that kind of observation skills? I'm not disputing Batman's intellect, because everyone knows Batman is a damn resourceful man, I just can't recall ever seeing him tell a person's life story just by looking at him/her or display such deduction skills as Sherlock Holmes uses (anyone who has seen the series or movies will know what I mean). Anyone got scans or examples of Batman displaying such deduction skills? I certainly wouldn't mind if Batman does have such skills, it would only make him even more awesome :-)

Chameleon is different in practically every issue I've ever read with him in, not because he constantly changes his appearance (because well, duh, that's what he is all about), but because he seems to have a different kind of shapeshifting powerset all the time - in the first ones I read he seemed to have been genetically altered so that he's able to change his pigmentation and epidermis giving him shapeshifting powers not too different from Mystique's plus clothes made from some special kind of fabric enabling him to also change clothing at will, but in the latest he has no such powers whatsoever but rather uses masks, having to collect his victims to copy their faces before he could use them. I also recall a third version that didn't actually physically changed his appearance but rather produced illusions to make it look that way - in this way he could even make himself look like different persons to different people simultaneously. So which of these versions is the "true" or most commonly used Cameleon? I prefer those which didn't wear masks because they must be much more practical and because I think that simply wearing masks is kinda lame and not very effective, I don't know if I fully approve of the version that used holograms but on the other hand it would be very practical indeed to be able to appear as different people to different observers. Someone please tell me which powerset is the most commonly used by Chameleon? And which one do you think is the best?

I'm not too happy about the way The Amazing Spiderman reintroduced our beloved web-slinger, so I'm pondering about how I'd like a future Spiderman film series to be like if they reboot it again (which I'm sure they will eventually), even if my ideas won't ever make their way from storyline to the screen. In a future series I'd like to see the most important events of Spiderman's life included, and two of the most paramount such events is, of course, the death of Gwen Stacy and her father Captain Stacy. I'm quite a conservatist when it comes to comics being adapted to the screen, so I want to include both these characters and their deaths, as they have had a big impact on Spiderman's life. Gwen Stacy should be included, and she should die, and it should be at the hands of Green Goblin, simply because Spiderman may not have been who he is today if it hadn't happened the way it did, at the hands of his arch-enemy. But the problem with the continuity that I have in mind is that her father, Captain Stacy, died while saving a kid from falling debris during a fight between Spidey and Doctor Octopus, before Gwen died at the hands of the Green Goblin. This is a problem because, I want to include Captain Stacy's death in a film series, but I don't want Doctor Octopus to be introduced before the Green Goblin, because I think Green Goblin should be in the first movie as no other foe has had such an impact on Spiderman's life and molded him into the hero he is today, and I don't want Doc Ock and Green Goblin to be in the same movie, both deserve to be the antagonist in two separate movies. The only good solution I've come up with to this problem is having Cpt. Stacy die at the hands of another villain or in an accident, because if I remember correctly Doc Ock didn't intend to kill Stacy and I don't recall that Doc Ock's involvement in Captain Stacy's death was as important as the fact that Stacy died in the first place. Or am I wrong? Does Spiderman consider Doctor Octopus to be the murderer of Captain Stacy and has a personal grudge against him because of this? If it is so and most fans wouldn't want that to be changed, then perhaps Doc Ock could still be the antagonist of the first movie but Osborn could still be in it before he dons his Goblin persona - like in Ultimate Spiderman where Osborn's Goblin persona didn't enter Spiderman's life until after Spiderman first met Doc Ock - and then be the antagonist of the second movie where he kills Gwen. Putting the nemesis in the sequel worked for the Dark Knight series after all, so do you think it could work for a Spiderman film series as well or has the Green Goblin has too much of an impact on Peter's life to be put on hold until the second movie? If the aforementioned problems do collide - the correct depiction of Cpt. Stacy's death vs. Green Goblin as Spiderman's first enemy - which one should be taken into consideration before the other? What are your thoughts?

I've often wondered if Spiderman is as functional during the winter as in the warmer seasons of the year, as I haven't found anything about Spidey being able to adapt to or protect himself against cold temperatures. I doubt Spidey lays off his superhero duties just because it gets cold outside, so does he wear thicker clothing during winter or is he more resistant against cold weather than normal people? I know he has thicker skin than normal people, but does that help him keep warm? I recall reading a comic where it was winter in New York and Spiderman considered wearing warmer clothes beneath his suit but didn't because he didn't want to be called "Spider-Mush".

@BlackWind said:

If Zeus wanted to, he could have blinked and Hulk would be teleported into a black hole.

Whether or not that is true, the point of this thread isn't to find out whom the Hulk would beat and not beat, it is about finding out if people want him to be stronger. Zeus can be a damn ugly bully sometimes, and to me the Hulk will always beat any bully whether or not they are Skyfathers, cosmics or protected by the Crimson Gem of Zyttorak. Though the Hulk I know would still have no chance against the Infinity Gauntlet for example, so he's not unbeatable, but he sure as hell can beat anyone who has enough on them to smash.

The debate whether or not the Hulk is the strongest one there is will probably rage on forever - every year new "evidence" shows up in the comics where some say he is and some say he isn't. I've always considered the Hulk the strongest one there is, because he represents what I wish I could do when I'm really ticked off and don't want to hold back, plus I really appreciate him as the misunderstood giant he is and all the aspects in his character - to me, he simply deserves to be the strongest one there is, and I'm happy with that, I don't need any feats or character ratings. I respect everyone who disagree because they've read the comics differently or they simply don't like him, but this will always be my opinion, and it won't change even if Stan Lee goes public tomorrow and states that the Thing or Uncle Ben is in fact the strongest one there is.

So regardless if you think the Hulk has a limit to his rage or not, do you think he should have? If it was up to you to decide and you could rewrite him from scratch without caring what the writers intended him to be like, would he be the strongest one there is or just one in the crowd of strong brutes, but with a limit? I'm asking because I create my view on each character after how I've got to know them and not their feats in comics because they are irregular as heck. Do you want the Hulk to be the strongest one there is? If yes, why? If no, why not?

@Strider92 said:

@CannotSpellMyName: I don't actually remember I think he was just killed but in the NTB arc Morbius cuts up his body to get a serum out of it so yeah........he's not in 1 piece anymore.

What the actual fudge... In which issue does Spiderman find his body?