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@cable_extreme said:

@cameron83: kinda sound a tad racist by constantly saying white people don't have problems. People profile white people by thinking we are all racist or that we are all privileged. Anywho back on topic.

I didn't say that white people don't have problems (didn't even insinuate that),but I don't think that all racial problems are uniform throughout the board. They don't have to worry about,let's say,getting stopped at the airport and patted down while being suspected of being a criminal like a minority does. By the way,that isn't really what I would call racism. And it depends on what you mean by privileged,but it's pretty asinine and ignorant for anyone to suggest that white people have to worry about,let's say,being suspected of being a criminal or being discriminated against by people in society as much as a minority (for example,a black person or a hispanic person) does,and that it happens to the same degree. Not saying that you are saying this,not even implying that,but there are people that say that,which is where "white tears" comes into play when some people use it (other people just use it because they don't want to hear what a person says if they are white,which is incredibly bigoted,but whatever).

Racial profiling isn't arresting people for no reason, it is specifically targeting people, such as pulling a middle eastern person out of line at an airport and doing extra screening, or the "pat down" in NYC. They don't arrest innocent people due to racial profiling, that would fall under police corruption.

Racial profiling is targeting people of being criminals for their race and suspecting them of being criminals-you are correct. But innocent people are arrested,and many times they are targeted in the first place on the basis of their race via racial profiling,iirc

I mean,if that person was actually breaking the law,then I won't consider them "innocent",but if they are actually only suspected of being criminals really due to their race/gender/orientation,etc,then....

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@frozen: It was one Earth or the other. One had to be destroyed for the other one to live. Also this are the iluminaties they would make choices that are not heroic at all.

@frozen: Read up on the entire New Avengers run so far coz a lot of it is pretty great. You'll understand what happened and why it had to be so.

This.

The end of the issue especially touches up and emphasizes on this matter,not that it hasn't been gradually brought up throughout the entire series.

It's about making difficult choices for survival. It's either "our world dies,or theirs".

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The First problem is that his video is hosted on WorldStar Hiphop....

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@cameron83: oh I am a heavy speeder, statistics support the idea that I speed. And I was basically imitating the situation people go through, they feel racial profiled even though the actually co it the crime.

And that's where you are mistaken. Racial profiling basically follows the notion of "if you look suspicious,then you are....". Or "if you look like a criminal,then you are",and in this case,you mainly look suspicious based off of the color of your skin,especially people that aren't white. And when you just assume these people are criminals (let's just ignore how it is discrimination),then you are locking up A LOT of innocent people,which goes against what officers are supposed to do (and ignores the white criminals). It's,as I said,counter productive towards the goal,unless locking up innocent people was the main objective.

Also,you seem to be mistaken or misinformed. Not every person being racially profiled is automatically a criminal,or was doing a crime. That's one of the main things about racial profiling. It treats you like a criminal and assumes that you are on the basis of your race,even if you were NOT doing anything wrong. Not everyone assumed or convicted of being a criminal actually automatically is one. You seem to have missed those.

Not only that,but as already established,race is a poor basis for deciding if a person is a criminal. Not just unethical. We might as well assume and generalize that every male is a rapist,too.

Anyway,the speeding thing is irrelevant,I was just being curious :p

And everything else from my other posts.

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@cameron83: I've been racially profiled before. I get pulled over all of the time because I have a relatively nice sports car and I am a white male, they think I am up to no good speeding.

What?

I don't know....if that's a case of racial profiling....but hey,I wasn't there. Anyway,if that's what happened,and you were actually being racially profiled (let's just say you were),were you really performing a crime?

However, it is still an effective tool, to target groups that statistically have a higher likelihood of committing crime. It isn't very moral though.

If you think that that's effective,locking up innocent people (that is the exact opposite of productive,unless you consider it effective to just fill up the jails),then let's just lock up every person in the ghettos then....even the kids,just so they don't risk performing a crime in the future. And race still isn't really the strongest factor to decide if someone is a criminal or not. If that's the case,can we just assume/target that every male is a rapist or a terrorist (because that's who most of the demographic is),and lock them up for now? If that seems productive in reducing the amount of terrorist attacks and rape attacks (despite the fact that there are female rapists,and despite the fact that there are innocent men that aren't terrorists,but f*ck them,as long as we reduced it with a very backwards method and notion). Not only is it immoral,but it is a very flawed method that goes against it's very goal by also targeting innocents in the process.

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@cameron83: it is a rational argument, if a certain group of people are statistically being arrested and convicted of more crimes, it is effective to focus mor on that particular group, it is ignoring morality though.

To be honest,though,it really doesn't seem all that fair or a reasonable basis (and,as I said,a lot of times it is counterproductive because,when you think about all of the innocents accused/treated of being guilty criminals and are treated unfairly as such on the sole basis of their race,it makes no sense),especially when white people get free passes from,specifically,racial profiling (and other things like harassment,mistreatment,etc).

I see your point of "minorities statistically cause more crime,so it only makes sense that they will be targeted the most",but when you think about how it blankets all of them as criminals (which,by the way,the harassment is where the distrust and lack of respect in entire communities partly come from) and unfairly puts innocents behind bars (while ignoring ones that are white on the basis of their race),then it doesn't seem like a strategy that is very....productive towards its supposed goal. And for reasons said by Lunacyde,race shouldn't (and isn't a very sound factor) be a basis for deciding who is guilty.

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@cameron83: t doesn't matter what group of people are causing statistically more crimes, targeting that group would be effective, just not moral.

You lost me at the first part.And it's like what I said in my prior post at the top of the page was ignored Either this seems to be the most unreasonable argument I've seen,or.....

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@cameron83: I felt bad for you. And you were about to give up. I had to spring it when I did.

And I have gone against more experienced viners. Very experienced. Pyrogram.

LIES!

BLASPHEMY!

TREASON!

INFIDELITY! (yeah,this is random,and so is treason)

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@lunacyde said:

@cable_extreme said:

@lunacyde: minorities are arrested and convicted of more crimes, which means racial profiling is statistically effective to target minorities more so. Not saying it is morally right however.

You do realize the fact that more minorities are arrested and convicted of crimes does not mean that they actually commit crimes at a higher rate. They are being arrested and convicted at higher rates precisely because of tactics like racial profiling.

You have it backwards, you are pointing to the end result and saying that this is proof that the tactic is justified. The reason that the result is the way it is, is because of the tactic. Causality my friend.

This,basically.

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@cameron83: Uh huh.

I got you.

And to prove I know what you posted:

It's two chicks with guns shooting red lasers.

One has a blue shirt with a marking on the shoulder and a white hat. Her belly is showing.

The other has a red, orange, and black outfit with glasses.

I know. Your trolling skills are impressive. But don't let that get to your head!

You still need improvement. You could have trolled a bit longer,and against more experienced viners,they might have caught on quicker than I. Btw,it's a cartoon version of Alison Brie and Gillian Jacobs.