Cafeterialoca

Spectacular Spider-Man. Easily. It was the best Spider-Man show we ever had and it was progressing as a story. It is absolutely CRIMINAL that Ultimate Spider-Man, a show that's pretty awful, replaced it.

Why is it that creators who put a lot of effort and time in their shows get canceled while shows that go "It's Spider-Man! LOL! He doesn't even have to act like himself as long as he's RANDUMB! XD!!!"

Seriously, this world SUCKS.

-Green Lanterns: New Guardians

-Wonder Woman

-X-Factor

-Daredevil

-Dark Avengers

I was apathetic about this movie, but Blink is one of my favorite X-Men characters. So yeah,I'm actually excited now.

@Husk45: Not a mutant, but power origin is unknown.

@xmentas: Cassie and Mettle. Hazmat strongly hinted at dying too.

I really don't like this book. It seems to just be heroes sitting around in a dark room and flash back about how things suck.

@xmentas said:

@Cafeterialoca: Agreed. All these old characters just keep progressing while new incoming characters get killed off as well as little story time and development. As much as I would weep if Cyclops died for good, deaths should be permanent. What good is a story if we know the person is fine and will be back pretty soon? If heroes like Captain America died for good, we'd tell our grandchildren how Captain JR's father was the iconic hero in our time (yes I made that name up). I feel like the character's death leaves a sort of legacy to remember them. In some cases bring a character back after many many years however, people can't live forever right?

On another note Wolverine is Marvel's money hitter, no way him and other stars are gonna die.

I hate Wolverine. He just stabs and grunts, and somehow he's everywhere. People don't care about these characters, they care about their face time.

And honestly, NONE of the old characters progress. The new characters do. GOD, I hate how ALL my favorites die and these fans who keep Wolverine and Batman going keep buying when they NEVER change!!!!

Seriously, this whole death thing f****** blows!

@csguterres said:

@GothamRed said:

I'd have to say that I'm more in line Brian Buccellato's view point on this, I'd just go a little deeper. Bringing a character back doesn't cheapen their death because you can't retroactively change how you felt when they died. And if the character is good then people will be upset when they die and be happy when they return, and that should be what you're aiming for, moments of pure emotions caused by effective writing, not reminding people of the about how permanent death is, that's not what comics are for.

Though I do like Sam Humphries's view on this also, you should have to lose a finger for each character you kill off. :)

@hyenascar said:

@Cafeterialoca:

We have had this conversation, between the two of us personally. I agree with you completely, minor characters do seem to be easier for many people to kill off. As a writer you want make a change, and editors will only allow the death of smaller characters. Stories only have impacts if death is possible. Death can have impacts for decades as long as they don't come back. I have trouble keeping continued interest in mainstream comics at times with the lack any mortal peril. It feels cheap. How about this? Even though I feel we should have deaths be equal for everyone in the comics universe, let's trade big name heroes for minor heroes. Three for three. Better yet one big time hero for any three minor heroes. No name is off the shelf. The hero can't come back. Their can be legacy heroes take over for the the old heroes. It would lead to so many new and interesting stories. Death is forever. Let their legacies live on forever.

I honestly say, there is much more impact on me when an Avengers Arena character (who I know will probably never come back) dies than when characters like Charles Xavier or Batman dies, who I like much more but know that will certainly return. "Xavier died. Nah, he will probably be back until the next X-Men movie comes out. No need to worry."

But I hate Arena FOR That!

Here we get characters who are new! Refreshing! DIFFERENT! But no, they have to stay dead forever! Meanwhile, we have to see more Wolverine fanwank and Batman fighting the Joker again! Honestly, kill those A-listers, give Hazmat an ongoing! God, everything SUUUUUCKS!!!!

@hyenascar said:

@Cafeterialoca:

We have had this conversation, between the two of us personally. I agree with you completely, minor characters do seem to be easier for many people to kill off. As a writer you want make a change, and editors will only allow the death of smaller characters. Stories only have impacts if death is possible. Death can have impacts for decades as long as they don't come back. I have trouble keeping continued interest in mainstream comics at times with the lack any mortal peril. It feels cheap. How about this? Even though I feel we should have deaths be equal for everyone in the comics universe, let's trade big name heroes for minor heroes. Three for three. Better yet one big time hero for any three minor heroes. No name is off the shelf. The hero can't come back. Their can be legacy heroes take over for the the old heroes. It would lead to so many new and interesting stories. Death is forever. Let their legacies live on forever.

But here's the thing, why is it that stories only matter if there is death? Is our society so obsessed with the elimination of life that it's the only story telling that can be told?

Honestly, I'm very tired of "100's dead" every other book. Do something different. I really don't get why people only see stories as having value if the only thing brought to the table is death of the supporting cast. It just makes the A-lIst characters more hated for me cause they do the same tricks every comic and ANYTHING new is eliminated.

Look at Wolverine and The X_Men! I started to take interest in Husk. WHOOPS! She's gone now! LEt's replace her with Storm because people like her doing some lightningbolts.

GOD, it's frustrating!

I hate this. You know why?

Whenever it's permeant, they just kill smaller cult favorites. But when they kill someone major like Thor or Wolverine? Undone instantly.

So we're stuck retelling stories over and over with these heroes who have been around for decades and are getting stale as hell, but new characters, they must stay dead because that must be impact, but the older characters who always been there must always come back.

Permanent death would only enforce an obnoxious status quo where the same heroes must be at the top and all the new and exciting characters killed meaninglessly. Hell, there's a book celebrating that they're killing off new characters with potential. It's called Avengers Arena. But I guess that book should be praised while we have 8 other books praising Wolverine for being the most overexposed hero in the history of comics.

Yeah, I'm mad. VERY mad that all my favorites day and stay dead while these boring characters must always be prominent. Bet you people who want permanent death would freak out and whine if the Punisher died for good.