@tparks I challenge you to a High noon shoot out.
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@cadencev2: lmao yea I haven't seen Gypsy do a back flip....but I'm pretty sure KC is way smaller than the other Toho kaiju
Yet i bet he still weighs in the 10,000+ ton to lol.
Alright so Leo is willing to kill, that's great but...it's nothing new to Ken, one of the main plot point of his series is Kenichi's battle against other teens who main priority is to kill him. Speaking of being nothing new to him let's get into your characters speed. You've shown that he can dance thought bullets and lasers, well...meet Shou Kano.
As you can see he can, intercept laser, dodge bullet while free falling and then dodge electrical beams. Despite his speed Ken was able react to his attacks and give out some.
-note in the 4th scan Ken states his eyes can't follow the flow, but he is still able to dodge the attacks. So even if Leo is faster Ken can still react to his attacks and still give out some damage.
All very impressive, but nothing that really trumps dodging mass laser fire or machine gun fire constantly like the turtles can.
If anything, out characters are not winning over the other due to speed, which is a nice change of pace. Its all Strength, Durability, and Skill.
Now as impressive as your character shell durability is..Kenichi isn't an idiot, I mean anyone would have the common sense not to try to hit a turtle in it's shell. He can easily aim for the non shielded areas( arms, legs and head) an as I've already shown Ken strikes are able to bend metal doors and stop oncoming boulders, which should damage Leo's unshielded parts.
Yes, but the problem is Martial arts that this kid studies is base on combos that include body hits. Add to that its much harder to harm Leo when you have only certain weak spots to target, making it easier for Leo to defend himself.
Also Ken can, with just a single glance, can find an opponent specific weak spot and focus all of his power at that one spot.
Also since Ken is a close range fighter he'll come at a close enough range(with multiple fighting styles) he'll make it hard for Leo to use his swords.
Leo uses his Swords very well in close combat. he is also very skilled hand to hand fighter.
Leo faces a prodigy Foot Ninja named Cha Ocho. Takes him out with a little pocket blade.
Leo suffering from a nerve deadening toxin battles a Giant Snapping Turtle and Meta Human Fish Lady.
One example of Leo not using his swords against a skillful opponent (Cha), and another where he uses his swords in extremely close combat against super stats beings while handicap (Giant Turtle and Fish Mutant).
Heck Leo has wrestled multiple Crocodiles with his strength and skill in their territory, the water. After that he chases off Egyptian soldiers. Leo Skill, as well the skills of the whole Turtle team, in close combat with or without weapons is well documented.
TMNT take on the Foot and kill the Shredder as a group.
TMNT face the Foot out in force.
As seen the TMNTs fight in clustered battles with multiple attackers coming at them all the time with no hindrance to their weapon uses.
Another thing I feel the need to bring up is the Eye Contact power. Leo is very smart and shows strategic genius in battle all the time, if he notices your character constant eye glaring stare, he may just figure out that trick of his.
The Turtles have been trained to fight completely blind. This could limit the effectiveness of your character by alot.
- Leo has Swords which is far easier to harm and maim than with fist.
- Leo Turtle Shell makes it that much harder for your character to fight at his best, as he is forced to attack only certain parts of Leo's body.
- Leo has greater Range thanks to his Sword use. He also has ninja Stars which he is very accurate with and can use to throw your character off balance at any range oppurtunity.
- Leo has no qualms in killing and will not hold back.
- Leo skill and mastery over various arts allows him to compete with skillful opponents one on one, or whole groups of skillful foes at the same time, or fight and beat super stats monsters.
- Leo can fight blind, which will limit your characters potential greatly in eye contact powers.
on arkham origins batman won against deathstroke, and we all know that deathstroke is solid snake on roids.
Old Snake with a 70+ year old body beat Vamp. We all know Vamp would own Arkham Deathstroke who is very weak compared to his comic counterpart.
@kaijukinggojira: at 30,000 tons? Yea, he'd spindash right through that shatterdome and it'd be AWESOME, things would be all BSHHH and PGHGHGH and one guy does the wilheim scream and I'm gonna go draw with crayons now :)
King Ceasar would be hilarious!
Gypsy would be out skilled lol.
Wesker is fast, but only fast in reaction and short burst of speed. He never shown the ability to maintain speed nor fight at that speed in Close Combat. Wesker in truth is challenged by Peak Humans in combat. What Wesker does have going for him is not speed, but Strength, Durability, and Regen.
Luke on the other hand is insane fast, like Quicksilver fast and maintains that speed in combat.
IMO he can slice and dice Wekser to tiny chunks for a temporary KO.
It's funny cuz it's true
does killing nessasaryly mean he is evil? if that is the case then Jack is evil as well
I think the reason why he killed is evil. Drizzt had a choice, be a slave or kill a man and be a warrior.
Seems morally challenging to me.
2) The mystic powers from The Shadow won´t work here because of Logan senses, and I will prove it with the next scans.
Note that in the scans, is explained that: for years, Doctor Strange was sorcerer supreme, as of late, he has had to "specialize" in particular aspects of the arcane arts, as such, he's in the process of learning to see the world of magic anew. So Logan was able to sense a mystical being while Dr. Strange himself couldn´t, even weakened, he´s still a sorcerer.
Wolverine senses a shadow ninja that are able to get the drop on Strange, but keep in mind this isn´t a regular ninja, these guys are called the undercloaks.Undercloaks are made of shadows from the Crimson Dawn Dimension. Crimson Dawn Dimension is amagical source of energy which exists in another dimension. It is said to be the lifeblood of the world, although it has a shadowy aspect. When Psylocke was critically injured by Sabretooth, Archangel, Wolverine, Gomurr, and Dr. Strange journeyed into the Crimson Dawn to find a remedy to heal her. Later, the Dawn was usurped from its proctor, Tar, by Kuragari, who tried to turn Psylocke into his bride. He was defeated by Angel and Psylocke, and the Dawn was turned over to Gomurr. So it is a mysticalpocket dimension existing beyond the shadows of the world. It is from this place that the X-Men & Doctor Strange sought a healing elixir to revive the ninja-telepath, Psylocke, after a near-fatal attack by Sabertooth.
Dr. Strange also failed to sense many things as Sorcerer Supreme.
1) he failed to sense Nobel Kale Spirit in Ketch and mistaken Nobel Kale for Zarathos.
2) he failed to sense Blade corruption and dark power from the Darkhold as he became Switchblade.
3) He failed to sense the Zarathos Spirit that still existed in Blaze, until it was too late and Zarathos busted free.
4) Strange failed to sense Dormammu power inside Hood, only that Hodd was some random Possession.
5) Strange failed to notice the mystical power of Man Thing until Man Thing disable Strange's spells.
I can really go on and on.....
Add to that what proof is there that these Shadows that can physically touch you do not make noise or have smells? Wolverine has those 2 senses as well that could have picked it up.
Now, also taking into consideration that Wolverine possess the best set of senses in the entire Marvel Universe, which Daredevil himself, another master of the senses recognized before.
Another instance where he proves his scent is superior to Daredevil himself, when he's able to tell that Mr. Fantastic and Iron Man are fakes. The two had their bodies inhabited by dopplegangers so any change in their scent had to have been something below the surface. Still Wolverine's able to tell the difference.
So that´s why Wolverine will not be fooled by the Shadow mystical powers, considering he can trust his senses to detect any threat around him, as well as incongruities and alike. He will use his scent to track and detect the enemy faster than they can react or attempt to use any of those powers against him. He possess the superior reaction speed of among the others, and that´s something he always do where he finds himself in a unkown location. Remember they start 100 feet apart, that´s not much considering that he was able to track and detect beings from much far distances before.
This really means nothing when Shadow Clouds Mens minds work by misdirecting all your senses. People cannot see, hear, smell, or Psychicly sense Shadow at all.
So all this is a waste of typing.
I would like to highlight that in scans 2 and 3, you can see that Logan was able to hear hand ninjas heartbeats from another room with the door closed, and you also know that he is more than able to fight those ninjas in a daily basis, so what´s the point? Well, let me explain to you, The Hand consists largely of unknown masked people, but has featured numerous named characters at various points in its history. Throughout its history various heroes have been press-ganged into service by the dark magic of the Hand. They have also employed numerous villains. If you go by it´s origins, you will find that:
The nascent Hand first formed about 800 years ago in feudal Japan, as a reaction to the oppressive class system that characterized Japanese society in that period. A number of Japanese citizens left their homes and settled in the mountains. There, they cultivated skill in ninjutsu, and through rigorous training became experts at assassination and espionage. The group officially came together in 1588 under the command of Kagenobu Yoshioka, who turned his samurai school into a bastion of support for the common man. Yoshioka was eventually assassinated, and command of the group co-opted by the Snakeroot, an ancient ninja clan who turned the Hand to demon worship and black . The Hand began working as mercenaries, and sought to extend its influence throughout the world.
The Hand uses Magic, but the Hand themselves do not Misdirect minds.... not at all.
The point is that Wolverine is more than used to deal with street level characters related to magic. The Shadow will fall in the same range, and will be sensed by him before he can manage to use any of his powers. Your attempt to discredit him using a comparison to Blackheart, a powerhouse character, can´t be taken uprightly, you just don´t compare a street level character like The Shadow with a powerhouse one such as Blackheart, you just don´t. One, the first doesn´t have 1% of the power of the other, and I don´t know if you noted this, but Wolverine was also able to sense Blackheart, since he clearly states that:
sniff sniff, something smells like rotting meat, smells like, death.
The next scan we can only see Blackheart stating that he acknowledged Wolverine rage and ferocity, and than explain why his attack didn't work because of his, I don´t see where is said or implied that he´s a illusion, for me he´s just using his powers to talk with them mentally. In the next scans we can see Blackheart leaving the room as a dark cloud, so the heroes quickly realize he´s going after a girl name Lucy. So all he did was manifest himself to them at the same time.
Um no.... Blackheart has never shown the power to manifest at many places nor uses Intangibbility like he did there, or do either at the same time. What a stretch.
What Blackheart can do is use Mirrors and TP like powers to create Illusions like he done many times in comics.
1-2) Blackheart uses his Illusion power to fool Daredevil into beating a innocent man.
3-8) Blackheart appears as a Illusion to converse with GR, Logan, and Frank at the same time.
9-10) Blackheart appears to a Psychic while being tortured in hell.
11-12) Blackheart uses his mystic power to mentally force a town on GR, Wolvie, and Punisher.
To say he is splitting his body into 3 clones, and then use Intagibility is just silly when he has powerful Magical Illusions and Mind Messing power.
Magical Mind Messing power that Wolverine was tricked by.
That´s funny because Wolverine already fought Ghost Rider into a stalemate, first fight both was knock out unconscious after the contact of adamantium with him, this alone proves you are wrong, not even Ghost Rider was able to do squat against him. The second encounter isn't really much of a fight, they find to be in nightmare's realm, Wolverine stabs Ghost Rider, and the effect of the backlash is so powerful it unravels the realm they're in. Now you want to sell that The Shadow powers will work on him? I highly doubt.
This is.... just ..... wow...... I just will leave this here.... and stretch my legs a bit.....
I mean, GR outclasses Logan so hard it is not even debatable, unless you bring up Hellverine who had the magical power to harm GR.
Im not sure how stabbing Hellfire has anything to do with Shadow Mystic Powers either.
He got enough speed display to deal with either Shadow or Snake, and those weren´t his best feats. The first scan shows him easily cutting throwing needles out of the air during a speedblitz, and this is after dodging a bullet after it’s been fired, before his cigar as begun to fall sitting in a chair! The next scan Wolverine manages to deflect a spear thrown by Dracula that is only feet away from Cyclops even though Wolverine starts out from behind Cyclops' body... and one imagines Dracula can throw a pretty mean spear.
About reaction time, this scans states he possess 0.38 reaction time speed:
That is all fine and dandy, but it does not prove superiority over Snake who dodged a Mach 3 Rail Gun after it has been fire, dodges Bullets after they have been fired, or keep up with Cyborg Ninja who is Mach 2.
Does not trump Shadow who hand to hand The Light who cuts 4-5 bullets out of the air at a time.
All your proving is what I been saying, they are pretty much even out in speed reaction and combat speed.
That doesn't he can´t or won´t use his combat skill in this fight, and the recent run doesn´t reflects decades of constant showings from his part. I believe I´ve explained it already, but that´s not true. There are instances he needs to resort in specific trainings considering he is a guy with hundreds of years old and it´s normal to go back to past trainings that he may have forgotten in the past, but that doesn´t make him less dangerous nor incapable to display martial skill. Also, fighting top tier skilled fighters of their own worlds doesn´t mean they can keep up with Logan if those same characters figure below his level of combat prowess.
The Shadow's Skill?!
You call that skill? Laughable is your attempt to argue he´s skilled enough if compared to Wolverine. Come on! Most of your scans shows him fighting canon fodder, random characters and some other fighters who are all below Wolverine in terms of martial skill.
Those are pretty skilled people, The Light being one of the worlds best Swordsmen and Fencers, and Black Raven showing insane skill enough to compete with Shadow.
Now we add that skill (which is impressive) to his soul reading and Precog, well, there is nothing Wolverine will do Shadow cannot counter.
About Solid Snake, I´m not saying he isn´t skilled or a capable fighter. I´m just saying he doesn´t have what it takes to put Logan down. That´s all.
Fair enough, that is why Explosives and the Stun Knife is important. Snake can deal enough damage to Logan to KO him.
1) Kaine Heart Stabs drops Logan.
2-3) Yes it is a Ennis Showing, but accurate to what happens when Snake hits Logan with enough C4.
4) Drops from a accurate Bullet to the heart.
5) Stabs in vital organs and the heart again.
There is a good chance the shrapnel of Grenades, Claymores, and C4 to rips and tear away majority of Logan's body. Snake is also packing stinger Missiles on top of that and has shown the ability to dance and jump off Mach 2 Missiles while firing the Stinger.
Snake here literally dodges the first Missile, than back flips on the second one, and jumps off again to fir the Stinger Launcher. All this agility and skill with a Stinger Launcher in tow.
Add to this Shadow letting Snake know to destroy most of Logan's body or aim for the heart. Thanks to his Soul Read and verbal communication with his team that he did constantly in Masks. Another way Snake can beat logan is Tranqs.
Deadpool dropped Wolverine with tranqs, why not Snake who carries a Tranq pistol?
There is ways for solid Snake to drop Wolverine. Adding in the fact the Shadow knows how to drop Wolverine increases the chance. Add in Shadow misdirection really makes it likely to happen. Add in Shadow hypnotizing Bucky makes it a near guaranteed win.
And what prove did you have it would work on Wolverine, in this clear cut neutral universe? How fate powers would manifest thorugh the Shadow here? Against someone like him, who were able to sense mystical beings before?
.... C'mon ma, Im not even going to entertain that notion. Wolverine is very much subjective to magic and nothing proves he can sense through the Misdirection.
I believe I´ve just debunked this part already at the beginning of my post.
I believed I just as easily debunked your debunk.
It didn´t work before, won´t work here either. His past showings of will power are more than enough to prove he can resist anything that your MVP guy tries to deliver. Another proof next, the next scans shows he is the only X-Man able to resists the illusions created by the Citadel, designed to give each of the everything they always desired and more impressively Wolverine was able to resist the Crystal of Ultimate Vision. He turned down godhood and shattered the Crystal, saving the x-men and all of humanity.
Turning down a offer is not the same as being forced into a illusion. Also shows just how it did work for a time.
Also how is Wolverine resisting at all if he is not knowingly in a illusion? That Crystal showing was blatant obvious.
Here Wolverine is assaulted by Proteus’ reality altering abilities, which he is even more susceptible to because of his heightened sense. Even then Wolverine still has the energy and strength to anchor Nightcrawler against Storms winds. Oh, and Wolverine is running ahead of Nightcrawler’s jeep and yet he gets into combat with Proteus long before Kurt... do with that what you please.
Reality Warping is not Mystic Misdirection no matter how you want to make it the same thing.
Now you´re just discrediting his danger-sense, there are tons of instances from Peter Parker using his danger-sense, you know that. Also, Logan already find himself in more than one instance beating or at least besting him, but his morals always comes into play so they don´t fight too serious going all out, since both respect each other. Also, that doesn´t matter really, since my point was that Logan is fast enough, possessing the neccessary combat reflexes to tag him several times before. This alone proves he´s superior to your guys. About punisher, I believe he tag him with weapons, not in martial skill or h2h combat, so..
In top of all that, according to Shield's/Nick Fury's personal files, Wolverine operates on a higher overall Power Level than Spiderman, which is classified as 8 while Wolverine is 9.
Also, if you want to listen on what people like Larsen and Howard Mackie have to say about this fight:
just for curiosity :)
Thats why Kaine who is way less skilled than Wolverine, has no Spider Sense at all like Peter, and yet out class Wolverine purely on stats alone.
Also comparing Spider Man's 2 second precog with Shadow's who sees years ahead in a blink of a eye is no argument either.
Not so sure, Wolverine is the most dangerous of the two, without a doubt. Let me ask you something, does The Shadow always start a battle using all those powers? How can he use all that if there´s no prep involved what so ever, he would have to waste some time necessarily, which will give my team the advantage, since Wolverine´s reaction time is superior, that´s a fact, proven by feats. Not to mention that once the battle starts, Logan will quickly start using his senses to track the enemy, once he can sense them, there´s no room for surprises, not when you start 100 feet from the enemy.
Shadow ALWAYS starts his battles with Cloud Mens Minds.
Starts it out here. Misdirects these assassins, by appearing as a painting, coming for him which he soul read as soon they walked through the door.
Starts it out here. Works fine on Green hornet and kato who have extreme will and conviction in their fights.
Starts It out here. works on Psychic powerhouse that controls and possess many minds at a time.
Starts it out here.Misdirects a portion of a army camp.
Do I need to go on? His Soul Reading and Precog is instant as well. all it requires is Line of Sight to the person.
One look and he knows the immediate futures. He also can see the Grand Scheme of fate the easiest.
Whatever moves Bucky or wolverine make, he will know about it.
Seriously, still not getting it? Shadow looks at the unknown Spider, one look, one glimpse, and knows everything about him.
He fooled no one with magic, Wolverine was able to sense him before he shows himself for the trio involved in those scans. Also, he was merely using his psychich powers to mentally talk to them at the same time, there was no magic involved, at least not in the way you want to be. He clearly states intangibility as the reason neither Logan nor Punisher were able to inflict damage against him. This is later confirmed in the next scans I´ve posted, I can post the entire issue if needed, there´s nothing related to using magic as a form of illusion.
He sensed him and attacked a Illusion, just like Shadow does with his Misdirection I showed numerous times. He can make you see Shadows, or cloud your senses which seem to work in every way to fool Smell, Hearing, Sight, and even Psychic senses.
Once again, Wolverine is not the random thug against who the Shadow is used to use his powers. Wolverine already manage to resist attempts of mind control and reality warping, using nothing but his strong will, and I´m talking about the likes of Jean Grey, Elektra, Psylocke, Emma Frost, Mesmero, Proteus, Mojo, Ogun, Mister X, etc. I also want to highlight another instance where Wolverine was able to neutralize a character that was using his powers to best him through precognition, and that´s also what is going to happen to The Shadow if he attempt to do the same thing here:
This song is getting old, I showed Wolverine being affected by Magic and the Shadow has Clouded minds of everyone from the Green hornet and Kato, to the indomitable will of The Light, to Cloud the mind of a vey powerful Psychic Dragon being!
Wolverine is not resisting.
Observe what he claim by saying this: "I can feel him in my mind again! Reading my every thought.. known my every attack. but he´s probin too deep -- touching my psyche -- releasing my basic intinct -- that off a animal."
So now you have another instance where Logan was able to overcome an enemy trying to defeat him with precog powers. Doesn´t matter if its mind reading or soul reading, the only thing you guy is going to get is drive Wolverine into a berserker state where everything is gonna be worse for him to handle, Logan will tear him apart just like he did against Blood Shadow, who was also a martial artist.
He says he is in his mind. How is Mind reading precognition? How is soul Reading mental?
C'mon, your dancing around the issue with showings that do not apply to Shadow.
Not good enough? here you see a recent showing of Wolverine's resistance and immunity to a telepthic focused attack well after the house of M, I mean, a psychic daga right through his head was only good to make him turn into a beast:
Psychic =/=Mystic Soul powers.
Not true at all, Snake can´t get pass of hundreds of years experience, both training, fighting and defeating the list of top tier fighters of marvel universe. One current showing is not going to erase his feats, suitably for this battle, I´m no using current Wolverine from one specific saga, I´m using Wolverine and all his canon feats from classic to recent. Wolverine has been writing as a 'martial artist' since Claremont & Miller's mini back in the 80's. Not just the past couple years. In matter of fact, for the past few years until last year (2012), his martial showings had been upgraded.
This scan proves how Wolverine's mind goes in a 'martial' thought process:
This also proves that he retains his martial skills even while driven by a berseker rage. "He retrains highly sophisticated combat skills and is capable of complex strategic decisions within a compressed time frame".
You need to realize that he is often fighting characters who possess superior stats, including healing factor, if compared to him, so throwing a punch or a kick wouldnt be enough to defeat them, that´s why he goes for the kill using his claws. He is mainly known for his fights against characters who possess superior stats. He already proved to be on pair with Iron Fist before, how the hell can Snake be a major threat to Logan than Iron Fist?
- Wolverine is superior to Snake in terms of physical stats: strength, speed, agility, reflexes, durability, stamina, etc, add healing factor and adamantium skeleton and the gap is further expanded.
- Taking the speed-wise for an instance, Wolverine was able to fight and tag Spider-Man more than once, someone who is far superior to Solid, just proves he can more than tag snake, and one hit is more than enough.
- Tell me how those durability feats from Snake will save him from adamantium claws??
As already mentioned before, Wolverine bested a superior soldier, which is Steve Rogers, they end up fighting when his healing factor was quite taxed, he had just taken Nuke down (someone who continuosly gives Steve trouble) and had been pushing himself for some time. Steve took advantage of that using strikes at his tendons in his hands to prevent him from snikting his claws. However, Wolverine manage to best him in the end. Wolverine was impressive and skilled enought to disarm him from both vibranium shield and muramasa blade, after being cut by it. Wolverine is going to destroy Snake if he have to.
Yet snake is a Captain America stats Super Human with WAAAAAY more Combat Training and Skill than Captain America. A giy who always gave Wolverine a good scrap.
I also showed Snake fighting Vamp, Liquid, and Solidus. Still not convince of snake skill? How about Snake fighting Grey Fox?
Snake vs Cyborg Ninja
The Cyborg Ninja is insane fast, strong, and has a Sword that cut anything. Take note, as Snake does not allow that sword to touch him! Snake keeps up fine in a tight space thanks to Speed, Skill, Muscle Memory from years of the best Training, and plain Super Human Genes. In this epic fight, Snake is physically able to match the Ninja. To make this more Impressive is the Cyborg Ninja resume!
This is Grey Fox. One of the best killers in the world and most accomplish member of Fox Hound. At the time he was leagues better than Snake in rankings. On top of this, Fox was already Super Human before being a Cyborg Ninja. Just to grasp how Good Jaeger is, lets look a little at Snake battles with the greatest Mercenary in the World.
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In Metal Gear 2, Snake defeated Gray Fox piloting the Metal Gear itself, then beat Fox in Hand to Hand. Even after the brutal mission Snake been through, he prevails! Frank Jaeger is no mere mercenary either, he was super human before all this!
Null is Gray Foxe's old name. A Super Human in speed and skill. Snake battled this guy and defeated him when he was still a non Cyborg Ninja with super human attributes in Metal Gear 2. Whats really impressive is in the Shadow moses fight Snake had kept up in speed, out skilled the best, and top it off actually had the strength and moves to harm Grey Fox as the Cyborg Ninja. Just read below.
As I said, the Cyborg Ninja is insane fast. The Cyborg Ninja simply moves much faster than mass amount of Mach 2 Bullets at 10 feet distance.
Snake confronts the Cyborg Ninja, and fights him H2H. I am pretty sure Gray Fox held back his strength to make the fight fair for Snake, Snake comments how he was serious. He just wanted to fight Snake with no weapons. However what needs to be noted is the Cyborg Ninja Gray Fox even before becoming the machine was super human fast and skilled. Snake beats him.
Fact is Snake has fought and beaten characters who are faster than Bullets. Adding in Shadow's powers and Snakes Explosives/Tranqs/Stun Knife can easily swing things in Snakes favor.
Snake won´t have time to do all that setting. He can try but that would be useless, he would just give time to my team, more chances to Wolverine close the gap against him, not to mention that C4 and explosives means nothing to him, since he can smell it right away. That would be a useless tactic in this scenario.
Useless? How so? Snake can throws chunks of C4 and detonate it and would be placing Clamores all over the place when ever he gets the chance.
1) Snake drops off a Claymore under a tank like nothing.
2-3) Snake manages to drop of Claymores while Raven is firing his Minigun at him. Raven can keeps a eye on snake via the Ravens own eyesight, yet never saw Snake drop this Claymore down.
Snake also has Grenades, and Tranq Pistol that can drop Wolverine or slow him down at the least.
I was refering myself to the fact that both look alike and most important, both moves through the shadows, that´s all.
Not at all, I just said he´s not on pair with Logan and that Bucky is capable enough to at least hold him long enough.
Another question: What both Snake and The Shadow will use to put Wolverine down? Their weapons aren´t enough to do the job, so I would like to see how they will manage to do that, without The Shadow powers, your teams is doomed.
There weapons is enough, look above. Explosions, Heart Shots, Tranqs, all can work and Shadow knows about them all.
My Version of this fight.
- Shadow will lead off with Cloud Men's Minds like he always do, Soul Read Wolverine, check the futures of the outcome of this fight, and warn Snake accordingly.
- Snake will deal with Wolverine with his Explosions, Trangs, and Hand to Hand. Since Wolverine Mind is Clouded, Snake has a good chance to get many hits.
- Shadow Hypnotizes Bucky to their side.
- 3 on one and they all know how to put Logan down thanks to Shadow.