butterflykyss

@Jnr6Lil said:

@butterflykyss said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@butterflykyss: Maybe so, but Storm is not someone that's recognizable by name.

maybe your circle of friends.. but not mine. and not mainstream american who saw halle berry play her in one of the most successful marvel adaptation of their comics to movies

I mean worldwide, and not by people who are most likely comic book fans.

i mean worldwide too.. the xmen TaS was dubbed in many different languages and showed across the globe just was the xmovies. these people or the majority of them are not likely to be comic book fans.

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@butterflykyss said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@White Mage said:

Gallery

Uncanny-305.........directly froze a ceiling.......pea fog........tells off Xavier

I remember this one :-). Instant steel shattering cold I must add.

I would like to see more of that energy sapping cold that she used on Sebastian Shaw in the Hellfire Club story arc in classic Uncanny. In the Battles forum Storm overloading him is often an explanation to explain Shaw limitations on his kinetic energy absorption, but I don't think most people remember when she hit him instant cold and within seconds he was so badly drained and physically stiffened (that sounds suggestive but whatevs) that he had to escape the fight.

can you post scans if you have them..

and you are such a perv lol :P

LOL...

Shaw was already power amped and about to give Kurt the dirt-nap beat down when Storm hit him with some instant cold, which rapidly drained him of his energy to the point he became too weak to fight and felt physically turned to ice. Very creative use of her atmospheric temperature manipulation.

oh thnks boo just seein this :)

@White Mage said:

@butterflykyss said:

@White Mage said:

Gallery

Uncanny-305.........directly froze a ceiling.......pea fog........tells off Xavier

Wow amazing.. i love her putting charles in his place beautiful

It's lovely.........and intense

yes indeed

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

@butterflykyss said:

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

@butterflykyss said:

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

And why has she never had an ongoing? Maybe Marvel don't think she's popular enough to have one.

That argument isn't relevant, as we're comparing Storm and Ms. Marvel, not who is the most popular Avenger.

It has nothing to do with her popularity because she clearly is popular. She's been featured on virtually every game, cartoon, and movie associated with the Xmen. The reason that storm does not have her own on-going, yet Ms. Marvel who is less popular than her, with her previous and current on-going having mediocre sales is because Storm is female and because she is black. Female characters have shown to not generate revenue for Marvel when given a solo, and Black males have shown to not generate revenue. Storm happens to be both female and black. If marvel pushed her, gave her interesting story, good writer, great artist and it flopped then you could compare Storm to Ms. marvel in the regards of on-goings. However, she hasn't had an on-going so basing MS. marvel to Storm on her mini-series, which many fans didn't like in the first place is not a fair comparison.

You all keep repeating yourself. She's in virtually every game, cartoon, and film associated with the X-Men,because she's a popular X-Men character, not because she's a popular character generally.

It's not like she's just any other character though. If she's really so popular and well known, surely she must have enough fans who would buy her series. If people avoid black female characters, but Storm is apparently more popular than Ms. Marvel despite this, then she would still have more fans who would buy it.

And if you don't want to compare them, then there's really nothing we can compare as far as I know. The only fair way to compare the two is to compare their solo popularity at roughly the same time. Can you think of another way of doing this?

1.) So based on this logic, every character that is featured on the xmen team would be equally popular, correct? Its not the individual character that a reader connects with but it is the fact that the character is on a team that is widely popular? If you are agreeing to those aforementioned points, then Armour should be as popular and Storm and vice versa. Gambit should be as popular as Wolverine and vice versa. I think you get my point, its not just a team that makes a character popular, its how they can connect with the average reader generates the popularity.

2.) Hmmm not necessarily. A lot of people who like Storm and who would go see her in a movie, or pick up a video game and play her in Marvel vs Capcom 3, isn't necessarily going to pick up a comic book. Furthermore, the majority of comic readers happen to be white and male, which is why most comics are dominated with white male characters, because the readers typically want to be able to identify to their superhero of choice. This was one main reason people had issue with Hudlin's writing of Storm after she married BP, because her characterization focused on her being black, her race, which turned a lot of readers off.

3.) How can you compare them based on solo popularity when Storm has never had a solo on-going that was pushed and marketed in a way that Ms. Marvel has for her titles. No spite against Ms. Marvel, she is a cool character, but based on overall exposure comics and outside comics included, Storm trumps her.

No, I'm saying she's in so many X-Men things because she's a popular X-Men character. Other characters will have appeared in less X-Men things, because they are less popular X-Men characters.

I'm using solo comic books as an example, as it's the only fair way I can think of to compare them, unless there was a solo game, film or whatever released for each character, at similar times.

Well as I said, if we can't compare the comics we have the ability to compare, because there hasn't been a solo Storm series, then I don't know what we can compare fairly. I have nothing against Storm, and yes she's had more exposure, but that doesn't mean she's more popular.

1.) I get you. But the fact that she is a popular X-men character and the Xmen are a popular team world-wide, this would demonstrate that she is in fact popular. She has her own ride at Six Flags. That said what about her appearing with the FF as a member, with the Avengers as a member all occuring within the past 10 years? She has exposure across the whole MU which makes her popular.

2.) But Storm hasn't had a solo ongoing to compare to Ms. Marvel. I will agree that Marvel is pushing her and hard. I think they want her to be their leading lady, and I understand why, but she just isn't on the level or popularity that Storm is. Ask people do they know who Storm is and ask if they know Ms. Marvel. I am sure you will find more who have heard of Storm just based on exposure outside of the comics.

3.) Fair enough... I don't agree with your argument because I do think that exposure especially when that exposure has generated large amounts of revenue directly relates to popularity. But I can respectfully disagree :) and btw i don't have anything against Ms. Marvel either, I used to play with her a lot on the first Marvel Ultimate Alliance. Her and Invisible Woman.

@Jnr6Lil said:

@butterflykyss: Maybe so, but Storm is not someone that's recognizable by name.

maybe your circle of friends.. but not mine. and not mainstream american who saw halle berry play her in one of the most successful marvel adaptation of their comics to movies

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

@butterflykyss said:

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

And why has she never had an ongoing? Maybe Marvel don't think she's popular enough to have one.

That argument isn't relevant, as we're comparing Storm and Ms. Marvel, not who is the most popular Avenger.

It has nothing to do with her popularity because she clearly is popular. She's been featured on virtually every game, cartoon, and movie associated with the Xmen. The reason that storm does not have her own on-going, yet Ms. Marvel who is less popular than her, with her previous and current on-going having mediocre sales is because Storm is female and because she is black. Female characters have shown to not generate revenue for Marvel when given a solo, and Black males have shown to not generate revenue. Storm happens to be both female and black. If marvel pushed her, gave her interesting story, good writer, great artist and it flopped then you could compare Storm to Ms. marvel in the regards of on-goings. However, she hasn't had an on-going so basing MS. marvel to Storm on her mini-series, which many fans didn't like in the first place is not a fair comparison.

You all keep repeating yourself. She's in virtually every game, cartoon, and film associated with the X-Men,because she's a popular X-Men character, not because she's a popular character generally.

It's not like she's just any other character though. If she's really so popular and well known, surely she must have enough fans who would buy her series. If people avoid black female characters, but Storm is apparently more popular than Ms. Marvel despite this, then she would still have more fans who would buy it.

And if you don't want to compare them, then there's really nothing we can compare as far as I know. The only fair way to compare the two is to compare their solo popularity at roughly the same time. Can you think of another way of doing this?

1.) So based on this logic, every character that is featured on the xmen team would be equally popular, correct? Its not the individual character that a reader connects with but it is the fact that the character is on a team that is widely popular? If you are agreeing to those aforementioned points, then Armour should be as popular and Storm and vice versa. Gambit should be as popular as Wolverine and vice versa. I think you get my point, its not just a team that makes a character popular, its how they can connect with the average reader generates the popularity.

2.) Hmmm not necessarily. A lot of people who like Storm and who would go see her in a movie, or pick up a video game and play her in Marvel vs Capcom 3, isn't necessarily going to pick up a comic book. Furthermore, the majority of comic readers happen to be white and male, which is why most comics are dominated with white male characters, because the readers typically want to be able to identify to their superhero of choice. This was one main reason people had issue with Hudlin's writing of Storm after she married BP, because her characterization focused on her being black, her race, which turned a lot of readers off.

3.) How can you compare them based on solo popularity when Storm has never had a solo on-going that was pushed and marketed in a way that Ms. Marvel has for her titles. No spite against Ms. Marvel, she is a cool character, but based on overall exposure comics and outside comics included, Storm trumps her.

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

And why has she never had an ongoing? Maybe Marvel don't think she's popular enough to have one.

That argument isn't relevant, as we're comparing Storm and Ms. Marvel, not who is the most popular Avenger.

It has nothing to do with her popularity because she clearly is popular. She's been featured on virtually every game, cartoon, and movie associated with the Xmen. The reason that storm does not have her own on-going, yet Ms. Marvel who is less popular than her, with her previous and current on-going having mediocre sales is because Storm is female and because she is black. Female characters have shown to not generate revenue for Marvel when given a solo, and Black males have shown to not generate revenue. Storm happens to be both female and black. If marvel pushed her, gave her interesting story, good writer, great artist and it flopped then you could compare Storm to Ms. marvel in the regards of on-goings. However, she hasn't had an on-going so basing MS. marvel to Storm on her mini-series, which many fans didn't like in the first place is not a fair comparison.

@Jnr6Lil said:

@butterflykyss said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@butterflykyss said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood1991 said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

Storm is not that iconic.

She's more iconic than most if not all of Marvel's other heroines. Now she ain't Wonder Woman, but if a reach had to be made I'd say she's one of the best candidates for the position.

No, Storm is not iconic. Difference in being popular & iconic.

whats the difference?

Popularity is just who's liked, and who has alot of fans/status. Iconic means they define something, and have great influence. Storm is popular but Wonder Woman is iconic. She's not just a household name, she's an inspiration to women and a symbol of female empowerment and the first successful female character in comics.

Hmmmm very interesting.. You describe WW as a household name, an inspiration to women, and a symbol of female empowerment. Yet Storm due to her exposure and popularity provides inspiration to women and men alike, for not only being a strong willed woman, but also an inspiration to black girls who often times don't see images of powerful, successful comic book character who look like them. Though historically Storm's race makes her significant and an icon being she was the first black female character to have a major role in either DC or Marvel comics, she provides inspiration for people/persons who are ostracized for being different (whether due to a disability, sexuality, etc.), that is Storm and what she has always been, and she is definitely therefore an icon.

Yes but she doesn't have the worldwide populairty to match that. Iconic is being just the same while being popular. Storm does all those things you mentioned but lacks the followers.

but how can you say that.. these cartoon movies goes beyone just american soil.. she is not ww level icon, she has been around a lot longer than storm, but storm is an icon in her own right

@Jnr6Lil said:

@butterflykyss said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

@Blood1991 said:

@Jnr6Lil said:

Storm is not that iconic.

She's more iconic than most if not all of Marvel's other heroines. Now she ain't Wonder Woman, but if a reach had to be made I'd say she's one of the best candidates for the position.

No, Storm is not iconic. Difference in being popular & iconic.

whats the difference?

Popularity is just who's liked, and who has alot of fans/status. Iconic means they define something, and have great influence. Storm is popular but Wonder Woman is iconic. She's not just a household name, she's an inspiration to women and a symbol of female empowerment and the first successful female character in comics.

Hmmmm very interesting.. You describe WW as a household name, an inspiration to women, and a symbol of female empowerment. Yet Storm due to her exposure and popularity provides inspiration to women and men alike, for not only being a strong willed woman, but also an inspiration to black girls who often times don't see images of powerful, successful comic book character who look like them. Though historically Storm's race makes her significant and an icon being she was the first black female character to have a major role in either DC or Marvel comics, she provides inspiration for people/persons who are ostracized for being different (whether due to a disability, sexuality, etc.), that is Storm and what she has always been, and she is definitely therefore an icon.

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

@ItsDaveyJ said:

@jhazzroucher said:

thanks a lot but again, she appeared in more than 42 games

Perhaps, but I'm talking about major appearances. Aka: Playable.

@V_Scarlotte_Rose said:

Just because more people know who she is doesn't mean she's more popular.

Popularity can perhaps be shown in solo comic books sales. In February 2006, the first issue of Storms mini-series sold 32,819 copies. One month later, Ms. Marvels first issue sold 73,398, over 40,000 more.

The sixth and last issue of the Storm mini-series sold 21,507, but Ms. Marvels fiftieth and final issue sold 25,309, so even after so many more issues, more people were reading than were at the end of Storms mini-series.

At that point, Storm had appeared in two big films, and Ms. Marvel had appeared in none. So despite Storm being so much more noticeable in other media, she still wasn't as popular as Ms. Marvel when it came to solo comic success.

I know these are slightly old figures, but there hasn't been another time when they've both had solo series.

Perhaps, but 4 million people liking Storm is better than 75,000 people loving Ms. Marvel in my opinion.

Besides, that is popularity in one field of media. Media is much more than just comic books. The fact remains that there is evidence proving that beyond the comic book realm, Storm is the more popular and recognized character. You can say that Ms. Marvel is more popular in comic books and I won't contest you because Storm's solo series can't match up.

Let's take this for example: I'm sure you would agree that Wonder Woman is more popular than Ms. Marvel. But if I take you for your word on Ms. Marvel's sales figures and take this poster at his word for Wonder Woman's sales figures... they are the same.

http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-woman/29-2048/wonder-woman-new-52-sales-figures/92-737050/

Clearly Ms. Marvel doesn't have the name recognition that Wonder Woman does. So comic book sales alone do not make for a more popular character IMO.

What exactly do you mean by: "Perhaps, but 4 million people liking Storm is better than 75,000 people loving Ms. Marvel in my opinion."?

I'm using comic books as an example of how popular they each are, as their solo title sales will be based on just the characters themselves, without other characters being a factor. If there are other ways to directly compare their solo popularity, those are relevant too.

Storm is certainly more recognised due to her media appearances, but that doesn't necessarily make her more popular than Ms. Marvel.

My point is that Ms. Marvels solo comics sold better than Storms despite her having very little media exposure. Based on this, I would say that Ms. Marvel is more popular. If you have access to sales figures for other solo products that came out at the same time, then that would be a good way to measure popularity too.

Ok I think context is needed here before comparisons are drawn. First off Storm has NEVER had a solo ongoing like Ms. Marvel. Secondly, the Storm Miniseries you are referencing in 2006 had two things against it. 1.) This title was about Storm's initial encounter with Tchalla that the author retconned to show Tchalla saving her from Andres de Ruyter, where the original story had her saving him. (a lot of fans were turned off by the fact storm was made into a damsel in distress. 2.) She was shown to lose her virginity at 12 which a lot more readers were turned off by. 3.)This story came out around the time Storm was annouced to wed Tchalla, which no fan of Storm, for the most part, was onboard to see happen, so why would readers want to read about her and him interacting as adolescents? 4.) The artwork was horrible. So to spew out numbers without proper context can be a bit misleading.

And the last point is that Ms. Marvel simply is not more popular than Storm. Outside of comics, Storm is generally always featured with anything that relates to the Xmen. The first movie had Storm in it, the first Avengers Movie had BW as the only female lead. If ms. Marvel was a popular or relevant as you and others would like to suggest she would have been in that first movie. But she was not