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#1  Edited By butcher_pete
@pooty said:

@Fluke-buddha: @Butcher_Pete: Don't you see that the whole Thor thing was BS or PIS in the first place? If Juggs is powered by Cytorak and Thor cut off that power then Juggs should have become regular Cain marko. It's illogical to think that only one specific part of his power would be cut off. He should have been powerless. The whole feat was just a way for Thor to finally get some hits in. Thor is not powerful enough to cut off the power of someone as powerful as Cytorak. It was bad writing and thats why so many people are confused because one bad writer made a mistake. Magik could have cut off his power if she could. She is a POWERFUL magic caster. But she had to go to Cytorak because only Cytorak or someone more powerful can take Cains power away. Thor is no where near that powerful.

But the OP is current Juggs who doesnt' have a forcefield any way. Juggs is still more powerful than Colossus even with the added power of Cytorak so current Juggs still beats WWH. WWH couldn't even beat Juggs when Cytorak was not giving him all his power. He had to outsmart Juggs because he couldn't beat him. WWH didn't beat anyone that regular hulk couldn't beat.

 

OP is not current Juggs... I said it's the same Juggs from their fight in WWH: X-Men #3.

No I dont see it as PIS because Mjolnir is quite a powerful magical artifact, and I'm one of the few people on comicvine that dont think of Cyttorak as an omniversal magical entity above the likes of the Living Tribunal or whatever other bs people keep spewing about him.

The reason WWH couldn't beat Juggs is simple, he was invulnerable to physical harm... as for his forcefield, although it's not always visible it's always active and is what supplies Juggernaut with his invulnerability. In his fight with Thor it wasn't visible, but Thor said he negated his mystical forcefield. Juggernaut was no longer invulnerable as stated by himself, and expressed pain.

No he is not ivulnerable if he can be damaged... X-23 cut out the Hulk's eyes in their fight, yet he healed them back almost immediately and Hulk isn't invulnerable... he's just super durable with a healing factor just like Juggs when his invulnerability is cut off.

Even if people cant accept the fact that Juggs was vulnerable to physical harm in the fight with Thor, I stated in the OP that he is vulnerable to physical harm in this fight.

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Win conditions are death or KO.
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#3  Edited By butcher_pete
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He's not invulnerable without it... this fight has the same conditions with his fight with Thor, where he stated himself he was no longer invulnerable and expressed pain. Thor not putting him down in 60 seconds shows Juggernaut's still very high durability, but that's not to say given more time Thor wouldn't have KO'd him... seeing as he was dominating the fight while Juggs had his forcefield down.  As for Thor never beating Juggernaut... it's because essentially no one without TP can... Thor almost beat him, but ran out of time. So just like everyone else, he BFRs him.
 
I personally think that taking Juggernaut's forcefield away puts him on an equal footing with the Hulk. With Hulk taking the majority.
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#4  Edited By butcher_pete
@the human Juggernaut said:

juggernaut still wins, he's invulnerable with or without the forcefield.


Juggernaut said himself in that fight "Ya mighta taken away my invulnerability, but I'm still as strong as ever!" and also expressed pain from being hit... so I dont think he is.
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#5  Edited By butcher_pete

Since when can Surfer hold his own against Thanos? Thanos solos... and what is Black Bolt doing here?

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#6  Edited By butcher_pete
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Yeah, but in that fight it went from Thor getting whooped to Thor laying a beatdown on Juggernaut.
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#7  Edited By butcher_pete

This is Hulk and Juggernaut from World War Hulk: X-Men #3. (Sorry no pictures) 
 
Fight takes place in Yankee Stadium with Mjolnir encircling it. So like in his fight with Thor (Thor #429), Juggernaut has lost his impenetrable forcefield and can be hurt by physical force. 
 
So without his forcefield how will Juggernaut fare against the Hulk? 
 
Win by KO or death, no BFR.

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Thanos with the IG stomps.