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Posted by venomoushatred1001

From Thor vs Wolverine digital comic.

Posted by Buckshot

More. I'm looking more for h2h fights. I know they've had those.

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Posted by jashro44

I to would like to see this captain america vs thor fight...I was unaware wolverine and thor went hand to hand though.

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Posted by Rainy

@jashro44:Me either (I did know about the wolverine though, in that same issue Wolverine speed blitz thor.)

Posted by jashro44

@Rainy said:

@jashro44:Me either (I did know about the wolverine though, in that same issue Wolverine speed blitz thor.)

The one where wolverine gets thor drop on thor? I have seen that but that wasn't really hand to hand.

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Posted by Rainy

@jashro44: no I don't think it was h2h

Posted by Buckshot

@Rainy said:

@jashro44:Me either (I did know about the wolverine though, in that same issue Wolverine speed blitz thor.)

I don't care if it was an extended fight or not. I want to see that. Scans? Issue number?

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Posted by difficlus

@Rainy said:

@jashro44:Me either (I did know about the wolverine though, in that same issue Wolverine speed blitz thor.)

lol what?

Posted by Morpheus_
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Edited by venomoushatred1001

@Morpheus_ said:

Yeah, Thor admitted Wolverine is faster than he is in that issue.

Thats just PIS.

Posted by texasdeathmatch
@Morpheus_: whoaaaaah, Wolverine is faster than Thor then?
Posted by Morpheus_
@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Yeah, Thor admitted Wolverine is faster than he is in that issue.

Thats just PIS.

You confuse PIS with poor writing.
 
@texasdeathmatch said:
@Morpheus_: whoaaaaah, Wolverine is faster than Thor then?

I don't really believe he is, but it goes to show about the silliness of some statements in comics.
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Posted by venomoushatred1001

@Morpheus_ said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Yeah, Thor admitted Wolverine is faster than he is in that issue.

Thats just PIS.

You confuse PIS with poor writing.

My bad.

Posted by Aqua11500
@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Yeah, Thor admitted Wolverine is faster than he is in that issue.

Thats just PIS.

No not really.From waht I've seen Thor doesn't really use him physical attributes to move about quickly,if he's a light speeder its because of his hammer and his hammer only..basically. 
 
So Wolverine probably does move faster and stealthier than Thor does. 
 
Anyways that was around the time the Wolverine hype was insane.I don't think that fight should have happened...massive gap.Thor should wreck Logan any and every day.
Posted by venomoushatred1001

@Aqua11500 said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Yeah, Thor admitted Wolverine is faster than he is in that issue.

Thats just PIS.

No not really.From waht I've seen Thor doesn't really use him physical attributes to move about quickly,if he's a light speeder its because of his hammer and his hammer only..basically. So Wolverine probably does move faster and stealthier than Thor does. Anyways that was around the time the Wolverine hype was insane.I don't think that fight should have happened...massive gap.Thor should wreck Logan any and every day.

No, Thor's faster.

Posted by Aqua11500
@venomoushatred1001:  I haven't seen any real speed feats from him without his hammer.
Posted by texasdeathmatch
@Aqua11500 said:
@venomoushatred1001:  I haven't seen any real speed feats from him without his hammer.
Agreed. Plus people often confuse traveling speed with combat speed.
Posted by Aqua11500
@texasdeathmatch:  Yeah Thor isn't that fast in combat.as far as hand to hand goes.
Posted by texasdeathmatch
@Aqua11500:
 Granted, Sentry is WAY faster than Wolverine, but yeah
Posted by Aqua11500
@texasdeathmatch:   LOL at least he has the durability to withstand those said hits..or stabs,slices by Logan XD
Posted by texasdeathmatch
@Aqua11500: hah true, there's no way for Wolverine to actually ever beat Thor.
Posted by Thor_Fanboy

thor is still faster without hammer

Posted by God_Spawn

@texasdeathmatch said:

@Aqua11500:
Granted, Sentry is WAY faster than Wolverine, but yeah

I'm pretty sure that was a What If.

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Edited by Aqua11500
@Thor_Fanboy said:

thor is still faster without hammer

Scans? 
 
 
@god_spawn:  I still Think Sentry may have faster in fight speed.Thor isn't what i would call sluggish,but we  all know he's big bruiser,and he slugs it out blow for blow with his hammer,but i never see him executing any fast swings,kicks, grapples or take downs or anything. 
 
He isn't as fast of a  h2h fighter as Wolverine
Posted by God_Spawn

@Aqua11500: I know Classic Thor had some speed feats, current Thor I haven't seen much so I'd tend to agree Sentry probably is faster in terms of combat speed.

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Posted by Aqua11500
@god_spawn said:

@Aqua11500: I know Classic Thor had some speed feats, current Thor I haven't seen much so I'd tend to agree Sentry probably is faster in terms of combat speed.

Ahh k
Posted by RoyalDivinity

@god_spawn said:

@texasdeathmatch said:

@Aqua11500:
Granted, Sentry is WAY faster than Wolverine, but yeah

I'm pretty sure that was a What If.

That was a What if. In my opinion, Thor's just a little beyond peak human in terms of speed without his hammer.

Posted by venomoushatred1001

@texasdeathmatch said:

@Aqua11500 said:
@venomoushatred1001: I haven't seen any real speed feats from him without his hammer.
Agreed. Plus people often confuse traveling speed with combat speed.

@Aqua11500 said:

@venomoushatred1001: I haven't seen any real speed feats from him without his hammer.

Thor catches Mjolnir when it was micro-seconds away from hitting him:

Thor reacted while a telepathic blast was midway about to hit him from Pheonix rachel:

So fast he leaves multiple after images and faster than mortal eyes can follow:

Thor is as fast as the lightning he commands (light speed):

So until Wolverine shows Micro-second reaction time or light speed, he is WAY slower.

Posted by texasdeathmatch
@venomoushatred1001: Wow, pulling out scans from over 20 years ago. Why am I not surprised?
Posted by Buckshot

@venomoushatred1001: Thanks

@Morpheus_: Thanks

Wolverine being faster in combat makes sense to me. Thor doesn't consistently display heightened battle speed and a couple old examples don't change that. Any stuff with Cap for comparison?

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Posted by Jezer

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@texasdeathmatch said:

@Aqua11500 said:
@venomoushatred1001: I haven't seen any real speed feats from him without his hammer.
Agreed. Plus people often confuse traveling speed with combat speed.

@Aqua11500 said:

@venomoushatred1001: I haven't seen any real speed feats from him without his hammer.

Thor catches Mjolnir when it was micro-seconds away from hitting him:

Thor reacted while a telepathic blast was midway about to hit him from Pheonix rachel:

So fast he leaves multiple after images and faster than mortal eyes can follow:

Thor is as fast as the lightning he commands (light speed):

So until Wolverine shows Micro-second reaction time or light speed, he is WAY slower.

Do you realize that Lightning doesn't move at light speed?

Also, the scans say that he moves "like the lightning he commands, much quicker than I remember". It doesn't say he literally moves "as fast as the lightning", therefore that's a simile.

http://grammar.about.com/od/rs/g/simileterm.htm

.......I feel like these scans have been posted before, this very post has been said before, and that Buckshot refuted it already. I'm feeling De Ja Vu.

Posted by venomoushatred1001

@Jezer said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@texasdeathmatch said:

@Aqua11500 said:
@venomoushatred1001: I haven't seen any real speed feats from him without his hammer.
Agreed. Plus people often confuse traveling speed with combat speed.

@Aqua11500 said:

@venomoushatred1001: I haven't seen any real speed feats from him without his hammer.

Thor catches Mjolnir when it was micro-seconds away from hitting him:

Thor reacted while a telepathic blast was midway about to hit him from Pheonix rachel:

So fast he leaves multiple after images and faster than mortal eyes can follow:

Thor is as fast as the lightning he commands (light speed):

So until Wolverine shows Micro-second reaction time or light speed, he is WAY slower.


.......I feel like these scans have been posted before, this very post has been said before, and that Buckshot refuted it already. I'm feeling De Ja Vu.

When?

Edited by Jezer

I think there was a thread where Buckshot was asking specifically for Thor's speed feats, and someone posted those same series of scans as you did. And I specifically remember that some person tried to argue Thor was either lightspeed or as fast as lightning, like you did.

Hmm the thread might have originally been about Iron Man vs. Thor.

Posted by jashro44

@Buckshot said:

@venomoushatred1001: Thanks

@Morpheus_: Thanks

Wolverine being faster in combat makes sense to me. Thor doesn't consistently display heightened battle speed and a couple old examples don't change that. Any stuff with Cap for comparison?

Is this what this thread is about? Thors combat speed?

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Posted by SC
@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Yeah, Thor admitted Wolverine is faster than he is in that issue.

Thats just PIS.

 
Eh... Thor has admitted Galactus might be as powerful Odin, I think the best thing this tells us about Thor is that he is not reliable source of accurate info lol 
 
 
@texasdeathmatch said:
@Aqua11500:
 Granted, Sentry is WAY faster than Wolverine, but yeah
Ohh, this scan is interesting because the guy who wrote that (the big Werewolf guy from Underworld movies lol) has some pretty strong opinions on these characters - like it makes sense he writes Sentry as faster (and Thor as killing Sentry moments later) because he is of the opinion that Thor is stronger than Superman, Sentry, Hulk no matter how angry etc etc so the other way other characters like Superman (and Superman deconstruction's like Sentry) can keep up with Thor is with their speed - which he has talked about as well. (he is also guy who created Blue Marvel - answered speed in comics when a fan asked him how fast Blue Marvel is)  
 
I agree with he said myself. Fictional characters - speed will vary for the story so basically deus ex machina level speed. So even though people don't associate Martian Manhunter with super speed he will have some in a fight against Superman who is associated with super speed.  
 
So I am not really (personally) an advocate of Thor's speed being consistent, but if people want a modern day example of him being fast - Dan Slott's Mighty Avengers had him be very fast against Quicksilver and anyone who knows what writers know and gauge continuity, consistency well - well besides PAD, Slott's probably Marvel's best. (as opposed to Frank Tieri whose an alright writer... but if you know his work.. and his strengths and weaknesses.. and even just his interviews (compared to Slotts) 
 
 
I have all Thor and Avengers - No Cap, and a bad memory - but I can scan in any issues etc etc if someone can give me issue info, because I only recall light and non serious scuffles between the two. The more serious I remember OTH was when it was OP Thor fighting Thor Buster Iron Man and Cap got in the middle. 
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Posted by sandiego008

This thread only confuses me more as people say thor beats a lot of people as they can't hit him ... even in no speedblitz allowed thread ... and here wolverine is faster than him ... wtf.

Posted by venomoushatred1001

@sandiego008 said:

This thread only confuses me more as people say thor beats a lot of people as they can't hit him ... even in no speedblitz allowed thread ... and here wolverine is faster than him ... wtf.

This thread makes no sense.

Posted by demifiend
@texasdeathmatch said:
@venomoushatred1001: Wow, pulling out scans from over 20 years ago. Why am I not surprised?
hahahaha i have been thinking same since i joined the comicvine
Posted by czarny_samael666
@texasdeathmatch said:
@venomoushatred1001: Wow, pulling out scans from over 20 years ago. Why am I not surprised?
Because they counts?
Edited by Buckshot

@czarny_samael666 said:

@texasdeathmatch said:
@venomoushatred1001: Wow, pulling out scans from over 20 years ago. Why am I not surprised?
Because they counts?

Why would they count more than things like Thor saying Wolverine is faster when that statement is consistent with the vast majority of Thor's showings?

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Posted by czarny_samael666
@Buckshot said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@texasdeathmatch said:
@venomoushatred1001: Wow, pulling out scans from over 20 years ago. Why am I not surprised?
Because they counts?

Why would they count more than things like Thor saying Wolverine is faster when that statement is consistent with the vast majority of Thor's showings?

1.Because he isn't a credible person. 
2.Because his feats says something opposite.
3.Because Thor almost whole time is holding back. 
Look at difference between Blood & Thunder Thor (he is not in Warrior Madness there) or BRB and "normal" Thor.  
Thor was able to move fast in the past many times as well as fights with other fast people (which is something that can support his other feats). But as with Anti-matter and anti-force blasts, most writers don't remember about that. As about half of his feats.
Personally I hope that thing with Tanarus will retcon Thor's powers somehow, becuase he will then fit more to Marvel Earth. And writers like Fraction won't be able to make more stupid stories, like ones in which Odin has a chance with Galactus.  
Other examples would be catching (moving his hand fast enough to catch him) Hermod (while he was running) or Rulk (near Black Hole, when Thor had to fly faster than light). Some of his reaction feats You've seen here. I am not sure what else can be shown here to prove that Thor is faster than Wolverine.
Posted by Buckshot

@czarny_samael666: You think Thor is not a credible source? If he can't say who is faster than him, who can? What feats are you using to say that something opposite is true? Does his consistent display of ability put him at superhuman speeds in combat? Statements have been made about Thor holding back his power, and I can buy that, but I haven't seen anything about speed, and if he were holding back, he simply could have gotten faster and hit Wolverine, or in the case of Quicksilver that people blow out of proportion, gotten faster and hit him too instead of resorting to area damage. I've seen and deconstructed the feats you referenced and they don't support your case as well as you think they do. Sorry. Thor's regular display of speed doesn't support him having high operational speed.

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Posted by texasdeathmatch

The reasoning for this is beyond me.

Posted by JediXMan
@Morpheus_ said:
@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Morpheus_ said:

Yeah, Thor admitted Wolverine is faster than he is in that issue.

Thats just PIS.

You confuse PIS with poor writing.

And that's when WIS comes in.
Posted by SilverGalford

@texasdeathmatch said:

@Morpheus_: whoaaaaah, Wolverine is faster than Thor then?

LOL!

Posted by venomoushatred1001

No way in hell is Wolverine faster than Thor.

Posted by TifaLockhart

@venomoushatred1001: Then it just got chilly below.

Posted by venomoushatred1001

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@venomoushatred1001: Then it just got chilly below.

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