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Dreamwar

By Buckshot 6 Comments

I was thinking about Dreamwar a second ago because of the Batman vs Wonder Woman (w/o powers) battle. Now Dreamwar is non-canon for the DC characters but canon for the Wildstorm characters. However, despite the canonicity of the story, some stuff looked like plain old bad writing. I personally don't like using or hearing the words "bad writing" a lot so I often try to rationalize how things happened so they follow the story without shortchanging the characters involved, and I think I finally worked this one out. The story is a bout a kid with the ability to dream characters from DC into the WSU, and he uses them to fight the WSU characters. A couple of the things that bothered me (or just come up a lot) are: Midnighter being unable to beat the Joker, Batman successfully using knockout gas on Spartan, and also being able to fight evenly with Zealot. I actually kind of liked the last one since the fight was done well (more or less), I like seeing Batman be awesome, Zealot got to fight someone of skill, and Batman's level of skill was said to be like that of a Kheran Warlord (like one of my favorites, Mr. Majestic). Anyway, the way I've worked this in my head is that since all these characters come from a kid's brain, they're not necessarily at their normal power/skill levels (and they're as good as they need to be to match the WSU characters, since that's why they came into existence). However, it's not just that they're not at their normal levels, I think they might be at fanboy levels, and that's the key. Fanboy Batman has prep for every situation (like knockout gas that works on robots) and is the best fighter in the world (skilled enough to take on someone with 10,000 years of combat experience and Spider-Man stats and hold his own). This makes sense to me, the whole thing is a fanboy's dream.

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6 Comments
Posted by _Sub-Zero_

Midnighter not being able to beat the joker is because he's insane and could do anything, unpredictable per say more odd's and possibilities than his CPU was able to compute.

Posted by elevatorparty

I think that makes sense. 
I actually liked this story but I wish they didnt sidestept the battles that people really wanted (Apollo v superman, or Batman V Midnighter or grifter)  
I think the teen titans and Legion of super heroes were used well though. they were more interesting then I thought.  
Plus the Atom got stepped on - ROFL! (hate that guy)

Posted by Buckshot
@_Sub-Zero_ said:
" Midnighter not being able to beat the joker is because he's insane and could do anything, unpredictable per say more odd's and possibilities than his CPU was able to compute. "
I'm not here to talk about the fight (I've already shown the foolishness of it a number of times) but that doesn't make sense. Even if he couldn't predict his moves, Midnighter is still MUCH faster and stronger and could have just punched his head off before Joker could move. You don't need a combat computer to punch someone in the head when you physically outclass them in EVERY way. If Robin can land punches, Midnighter can land punches, and his punches would be fatal. And him not being able to read him doesn't make sense when killing psychopaths is nothing new for him and he's predicted the moves of millions of enemies at once and performed calculating feats even more impressive.
 
@elevatorparty:
I think I would have really liked to see a good fight between Majestic and Wonder Woman. I remember the Legion stuff being more interesting than I thought it would be as well.
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Posted by _Sub-Zero_
@Buckshot: Midnighter knows his cpu is smarter than him no? If the Cpu says no, midnighter listens. Just because you think that physically overpowering an opponent would even out the odds doesn't mean thats all there is to it, his computer can't predict if joker maybe had something prepared as in maybe some weird acid flowers or a gun that isn't to be seen on his outer appearance and since it has happened on more occassions it's credible that this might be such a case, and in which, physical prowess has no place at all. If a high tech comp that you've trusted your LIFE on the last few years would say "dude, error with this guy, best not try it", would you do it anyway?
Posted by Buckshot
@_Sub-Zero_:  Where do you get the idea that his combat computer said not to try or that he couldn't win? From the interaction it only seemed like Midnighter couldn't predict him. That's not the same as saying he can't or won't win. And if for some reason the combat computer couldn't predict his moves, it would still analyze his body and tell Midnighter he is physically superior and able to kill Joker before he could do something that Midnighter wouldn't know to counter for. Even if it did say he couldn't win, so what? Midnighter has, on multiple occasions, gone up against enemies he could not beat. If anything, his combat computer would even more strongly suggest that he couldn't win in those scenarios, yet he still fought. Midnighter has fought without his combat computer before so he's aware of and confident in his own abilities. Him not knowing exactly what to do wouldn't stop him from fighting.
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Posted by warlord1234
@_Sub-Zero_ said:
" Midnighter not being able to beat the joker is because he's insane and could do anything, unpredictable per say more odd's and possibilities than his CPU was able to compute. "
True. Not even Darkseid could calcutate Joker movement amd Darkseid is one of the greatest strategic mind in the DC universe he up there with luicfer when it come to cunning

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