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If Aang has AS he stomps.

If not he loses.

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@Renee said:
"If Aang is in the Avatar State he wins. If he's not, Katara, Zuko, Toph and Sokka win. "

This.
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Aang easy
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Aang not only mastered all of the elements he rediscovered energy-bending, of which the other elements come from.

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If Aang is in the Avatar State he wins. If he's not, Katara, Zuko, Toph and Sokka win.

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Aang plus on a avatar extras while aang was beating down ozai they said that he was now the best firebender not ozai but only in the avatar state im pretty sure.
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Aang provided it's not a full moon and he can tap into the Avatar State and he isn't worried about hurting them.

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@GTG12 said:
"aang extremely easy "
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aang extremely easy
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aang takes this by a long  shot

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Aang wins quite comfortably.

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@Diamondache:

Who said anything about killing? For all we know they could be sparring.

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I've only read the first page, but, 
 
ITT: People making wild assumptions about what the other Avatars are capable of. 
You have no clue whether any of the Avatars learned blood bending. 
You have no clue whether any of the Avatars learned metalbending. 
 
Those are random assumptions based on - pretty much nothing.
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Aang will win because if he is angry than change he in avatar state

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Aang wins at the end of the series he had full controll of the Avatar state the rest have no chance in that case

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I guess, if he started seriously, he could encase Toph in ice, Zuko in earth, Katara in Earth, and Sokka in ice or earth.
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@Power NeXus said:
" @EpitomeofCool:  

More powerful only in Avatar State. 

 
Are you being serious? 
Don't you remember when Katara first tried to teach Aang a couple of waterbending tricks? She said it had taken her months to figure them out, and Aang was doing them better than she was in moments.   
 

Are YOU being serious? 
Don't you remember throughout nearly the entire series when Katara taught/trained Aang as his Waterbending master? Aang was able to easily pick up the techniques because she was showing him and he already knew how to bend an element - Katara had to teach herself without any prior knowledge. Granted air ≠ water, but it's still past experience with bending. If his bending were superior to hers he wouldn't have needed her instruction.  
 
Anyway! Avatar State = Aang wins, sadly. I doubt Katara's blood bending would hold in his enhanced state. Metal Bending shackles or something onto him might be interesting, but I doubt Toph would ever be able to successfully do this while he's in the Avatar State. 
 
Without Avatar State = Aang loses. Katara's Waterbending is better than his, Toph's Earthbending is better than his, Zuko's Firebending is better than his, and so on. He can't Metal or Blood Bend, either. He's simply outnumbered. Though, in his favor, Sokka is worthless.
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the Avatar wins
 
 
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@VictoriaGrey_2010: 

An orange flame is cooler than a blue, the blue is hotter therefore causing more destruction which means that the blue flame is hotter and more powerful.

 

So then why wasn't Iroh's super-mega-ultra-powerful fire blast blue?  
 

Also I do personally think that Azula has shown more powerful firebending than her father, but I highly dout that I will get any of you to agree with me, so I will just go off of this. 

 
TBH, I don't think there's much to agree or disagree with. Right off hand, I can barely remember any showings of Ozai's firebending when he wasn't empowered by Sozin's comet. So there isn't really much to show how powerful he is/was.  
 

Azula's Father(Ozai) has already mastered Fire, Azula has NOT and yet she has still shown a HUGE amount of power that can compare to her father's and the Avatar's and still be considered impressive.

 

What do you mean Azula has NOT mastered firebending? She's a firebending prodigy. I had thought she was probably a master by age 15...  
 

Also, I do not ever recall any Avatar bending the element of Lighting, do any of you?

 
No, I don't. 
Perhaps it has something to do with the emotional state. Iroh explained to Zuko that it has something to do with 'separating the yin and yang' or something wierd like that. When in the Avatar State, Aang never seems to have the 'inner calm' that would be required to do that. He's usually just a tempestuous, elemental fury. 
But that's all just theory :/  
 

That is an extremely powerful element, I mean after all it killed Avatar Aang when he was in the Avatar State, correct?

 
You mean lightning? Well, yeah, it took him out with a sucker punch. Being a bender doesn't make anybody immune to the elements (several examples of firebenders being burned by fire). Even in the Avatar State, it's still possible to harm Aang with an attack he doesn't see or expect.  
 

I do think that it needed to be stated on wether or not the avatar was the strongest bender of all the elements.  
Mainly because it would help me a lot in this debate, lolz, but since it was never stated, I will not back down.  
I have very good reason to believe that the Avatar is not the strongest, and that there are few who can out power him. 

 
Even though it was never specifically stated, I'm still going by Avatar State feats to back up my argument.  
No other bender has been shown making a 100-foot-tall golem of water and using it to repel an entire Fire Navy fleet. No other bender has shown the power to slap around Sozin's-comet-empowered-Ozai like he's a novice. No other bender has been shown to split a massive area of land away from a continent and use it to form a new island (Avatar Kyoshi did this in the Avatar State). 
Nobody else in the Avatar world has ever shown feats with that level of power.
 
 

 
 

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Katara Solos.

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@VictoriaGrey_2010: 
The Avatar being the most powerful bender in the series is self explanatory. Like I have already stated the more past lives the more powerful the Avatar. And once the Avatar has become a fully realized Avatar, they have officially mastered all the elements, simply because their past lives have. I don't know why this is being argued, to think that these 4 can accomplish what the most powerful firebender in the fire nation(Ozai while enhanced by Sozins comet) couldn't is just silly and absurd to me, but then again everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Aang, of course. Why do you think the entire series is about everyone helping him get to the final confrontation with the Fire Lord? (Hint: It's because Aang is stronger than the rest of them combined, and was the only one who could defeat him)

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@Power NeXus:  
An orange flame is cooler than a blue, the blue is hotter therefore causing more destruction which means that the blue flame is hotter and more powerful. 
Also I do personally think that Azula has shown more powerful firebending than her father, but I highly dout that I will get any of you to agree with me, so I will just go off of this. 
Azula's Father(Ozai) has already mastered Fire, Azula has NOT and yet she has still shown a HUGE amount of power that can compare to her father's and the Avatar's and still be considered impressive.
Also, when it comes to the lava conversation we were having before, the reason was most likely because the Volcanothat killed Avatar Roku was too powerful for the Avatar; in the temple Roku was able to bend calm and content lava compared to the other lava that was basically attacking him :P
Also, I do not ever recall any Avatar bending the element of Lighting, do any of you? 
That is an extremely powerful element, I mean after all it killed Avatar Aang when he was in the Avatar State, correct? 
I do think that it needed to be stated on wether or not the avatar was the strongest bender of all the elements.  
Mainly because it would help me a lot in this debate, lolz, but since it was never stated, I will not back down.  
I have very good reason to believe that the Avatar is not the strongest, and that there are few who can out power him.
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@VictoriaGrey_2010:  

The color tells it all, the blue flame was made to show the viewers that Azula's flames was stronger than the rest, plus it is proven in real life. 

 
I don't see how the color proves that they are more powerful than any other flames. 
Even Iroh's "Sozin's-comet-aided" blast that broke through the wall of Ba Sing Se (possibly the most powerful firebending blast in the series) was the normal red/orange.   
 

It is NEVER stated that the Avatar is the strongest bender of each element in the show. To tell the truth I don't know what gave these people the idea that his bending was.

 
Aang (normal self) is most definitely not the strongest bender of each element, but in the Avatar State he is shown performing feats far beyond those of any other bender.  
I don't recall this being explicitely stated in the show, but I don't think it ever needed to be. 

 
 

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In the DVD set, in the behind the scenes DVD, one of the directors say that the reason for Azula's blue flame is to show that her flame is more POWERFUL than the other benders. Blue flames cause more damage that orange, and I know that Azula hadn’t shown more power than the ones who had MASTERED Firebending, that is why I said before that her soul FLAME/POWER is stronger. I also stated before to imagine what Azula can do once she masters Firebending. 

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@VictoriaGrey_2010: 
The blue flame was made to show viewers that Azula was more intense than other fire benders, not that her flames were stronger. Her flames were no where near Ozai or Iroh. And the Avatars power as a bender grows the more past lives he has, thats why people get the idea of the Avatar(in the Avatar State of course) is the most powerful bender.
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@Power NeXus:
The color tells it all, the blue flame was made to show the viewers that Azula's flames was stronger than the rest, plus it is proven in real life. 
Also, If Azula's soul flame/power is stronger than the Avatar's, then why cant Katara's be? 
I mean before everyone was saying bloodbending doesn't work because Katara was weaker, but as she grows so do her powers, so who is to say she won't become more powerful? 
It is NEVER stated that the Avatar is the strongest bender of each element in the show. To tell the truth I don't know what gave these people the idea that his bending was. 
If they did state that in the show, then I am sorry and I take back everything, but I do not recall that ever being stated, do you?
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@VictoriaGrey_2010:  

If Roku was able to control the lava then why couldn't he hold it off before when he was fighting for his survival?

 
I'm not sure. Possible PIS moment? 
 

Also, I said that Azula is more POWERFUL not that she could do more things than the Avatar.

 

I don't recall seeing Azula use any attacks that were more powerful than the firebending attacks Aang has used in the Avatar State. 

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@Power NeXus:  
If Roku was able to control the lava then why couldn't he hold it off before when he was fighting for his survival?
Also, I said that Azula is more POWERFUL not that she could do more things than the Avatar. 
Also, np, I get confused all the time, lolz
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@VictoriaGrey_2010:  

Why is that so hard to believe? 


 
Because she has no significant feats to back that up.  
 

For example, Azula. Azula has the hottest flame and strongest flame on the show.

 

What can her firebending do that Aang's Avatar State firebending can't do?  
 

Another example, the Grand - Master that was bending the Lava out of all three volcanoes, as I recall, Roku died from a Volcano, correct?

 
Roku also controlled lava when he fought off Zuko, Ozai, and the Fire Sages (or whatever they were called) after Aang spoke to him for the first time.  
 

I am not saying that Katara is stronger than the Avatar in the Avatar State, at least not right now, but in time, I think she will

 


My mistake. I thought you were saying she is more powerful right now. 
 
 

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@Power NeXus: 
  Why is that so hard to believe?   
I mean we have seen stronger Fire benders that Avatar in the Avatar State.  For example, Azula. Azula has the hottest flame and strongest flame on the show.  Another example, the Grand - Master that was bending the Lava out of all three volcanoes, as I recall, Roku died from a Volcano, correct?  And that was after he used the Avatar State.  If there are stronger FIRE Benders, why can’t there be stronger waterbenders?  I am not saying that Katara is stronger than the Avatar in the Avatar State, at least not right now, but in time, I think she will, I mean Azula is still a teen, imagine what she can do once she has Mastered Fire Bending. 
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The Avatar wins .
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katara solos and if he even tried to go into his avatar state he still gets destroyeed

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@pooty:  HELLO I JUST SAID KATARA IS BETTER AT WATER BENDING THAN AANG
first aang cant bloodbend so aang cant do all things katara can do.
second it doesnt mean if aang saw it he can do it like fire bending aang keeps seeing fire bending when zuko and aang fight but zuko still needs to teach aang how to fire bend so basically not all the things aang see he can also do it ..................
yes aang saw it twice and in the first season almost every time aang and zuko meat they fight  and zuko uses fire bending but the thousands of times aang saw it he never learned it until the time zuko taught him             i use common sense and this is common sense and also FACTS
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Aang is already faster than the whole team put together with out going into the Avatar State, but his speed in the Avatar State is on a whole other level. When Aang became a fully realized Avatar, he became a master of all the elements, he has all the past experiences of the other Avatars, which is pretty much 1000 years of experience with the elements. He is far more powerful than anything shown by the other team, save for bloodbending, which I don't think would be a problem for Aang seeing as he is moving faster than Katara can react to anyways.

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@VictoriaGrey_2010 said:
"@Power NeXus: I dont think that i will ever get you or the other two to agree with me, when it comes to Katara being stronger than the Avatar State, So I will agree with that for now, I think that when Katara is a Grand-Master, she will be stronger than the Avatar even when he is in the Avatar State, I guess in a way, that is what I have been thinking of and trying to say, that is why i will not say that she is weaker. I still do think that with all of these people working together, they will have enough power to take the Avatar down. "

In saying Katara is a greater waterbender than Aang in the Avatar State, you are essentially saying that Katara is the greatest waterbender in the history of the Avatar world. 
In the Avatar State, Aang has access to all of the abilities of all past Avatars (and judging by all the statues in the Western Air Temple, it looks like there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of past Avatars). You are saying that Katara is a better waterbender than any of those hundreds of Avatars have ever been. 
The only feats you have to back this up are 1) Katara can bloodbend, and 2) Master Paku said she is one of the feastest learners he has ever instructed. And that isn't even that impressive since Aang seems to be an even faster learner than she is. When she tried to teach him a few waterbending moves (before they got to the North Pole), she said it had taken her months to get to that level.  Aang was surpassing everything she did within a few seconds. The only reason she surpassed him under Master Paku's teaching was because Aang was too busy playing in the snow to care about waterbending. 
 
Until Katara can make a 100-foot-tall lizard-like golem of water and use it to effortlessly swat away entire groups of Fire Navy ships, there will be no question at all that Aang is the superior waterbender when he's in the Avatar State.
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@Power NeXus said:
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@VictoriaGrey_2010: 

Oh yes, I dont know how I forgot, but he was in the Avatar State when he did that, I am taking about Aang without the Avatar State, because they said that he was a stronger bender, I agreed that he was a faster learner, but that is all, and to tell the truth, he may not be. Do you remember when Master PaKo told Katara that she had learned faster than any other student he has ever trained? Well that was including Avatar Aang aswell, Katara was a fast learner when it came to the element of water

 

No need for the sarcasm. We just have a little miscommunication going on here.  
 

Also, The question was: Is Aang a stronger waterbender in the Avatar State? 
 

THIS is what I was referring to. 
There is abslutely no question at all that Aang is a more powerful waterbender when he's in the Avatar State. Hence, the reference to his feat at the north pole which vastly surpasses even the best feats of other waterbenders. 
It's debatable whether or not Katara is better than Aang in normal form. But there is no debate at all about her waterbending vs Avatar State waterbending.  
 
 

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Agreed.
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@pooty said:
" @VictoriaGrey_2010:  Disagreeing to agree is never good(i just made that up. does it make any sense lol). but agreeing to disagree is just fine. thanks for your post "

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@VictoriaGrey_2010 said:

" @Power NeXus: I dont think that i will ever get you or the other two to agree with me, when it comes to Katara being stronger than the Avatar State, So I will agree with that for now, I think that when Katara is a Grand-Master, she will be stronger than the Avatar even when he is in the Avatar State, I guess in a way, that is what I have been thinking of and trying to say, that is why i will not say that she is weaker. I still do think that with all of these people working together, they will have enough power to take the Avatar down. "

   During this state, an incompletely trained Avatar has access to bending techniques they themselves have yet to learn, 
  in the Avatar State, having millions of bending experience which can surpass an army of benders-
 
 
Ang in the avatar state would slaughter team avatar.  
 
Why the hell is this even  a  debate I understand the Katara debate she is a much better bender then ang while not in the avatar state.         
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@VictoriaGrey_2010:  Disagreeing to agree is never good(i just made that up. does it make any sense lol). but agreeing to disagree is just fine. thanks for your post
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@Power NeXus:
I dont think that i will ever get you or the other two to agree with me, when it comes to Katara being stronger than the Avatar State, 
So I will agree with that for now, I think that when Katara is a Grand-Master, she will be stronger than the Avatar even when he is in the Avatar State, I guess in a way, that is what I have been thinking of and trying to say, that is why i will not say that she is weaker. 
I still do think that with all of these people working together, they will have enough power to take the Avatar down.
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@VictoriaGrey_2010: 

Oh yes, I dont know how I forgot, but he was in the Avatar State when he did that, I am taking about Aang without the Avatar State, because they said that he was a stronger bender, I agreed that he was a faster learner, but that is all, and to tell the truth, he may not be. Do you remember when Master PaKo told Katara that she had learned faster than any other student he has ever trained? Well that was including Avatar Aang aswell, Katara was a fast learner when it came to the element of water

 

No need for the sarcasm. We just have a little miscommunication going on here.  
 

Also, The question was: Is Aang a stronger waterbender in the Avatar State? 
 

THIS is what I was referring to. 
There is abslutely no question at all that Aang is a more powerful waterbender when he's in the Avatar State. Hence, the reference to his feat at the north pole which vastly surpasses even the best feats of other waterbenders. 
It's debatable whether or not Katara is better than Aang in normal form. But there is no debate at all about her waterbending vs Avatar State waterbending.  
 
 

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@pooty:
I know that, but before you said that AANG is a better bender, it is not true. 
Also, Katara has bended the water from clouds aswell, the only reasont that she didnt bend the dessert cloud was because she couldnt fly. 
I know that we are talking about the Avatar in the Avatar state, but you said before that Aang is a better bender and a faster learner, that isnt true.  
I explained why in my prevous posts. 
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@VictoriaGrey_2010:  the title of the thread is Avatar Aang. so that is who we're basing our opinions on
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@VictoriaGrey_2010:  they are not bending blood(plasma) they are bending the water inside a persons body. Aang(not in avatar state) could bend water from desert clouds with almost no moisture which is more impressive than taking water from a water rich plant. The OP says "Avatar Aang" so thats who i would be talking about.  Aangs past lives(whose powers and knowledge he has in Avatar state) is more impressive than anything i have Katara done. They have manipulated oceans and created tidal waves. If Aang can do that, there is NO REASON that he wouldn't know bloodbending after he has seen it twice and felt the effects on his body.
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Oh yes, I dont know how I forgot, but he was in the Avatar State when he did that, I am taking about Aang without the Avatar State, because they said that he was a stronger bender, I agreed that he was a faster learner, but that is all, and to tell the truth, he may not be. Do you remember when Master PaKo told Katara that she had learned faster than any other student he has ever trained? Well that was including Avatar Aang aswell, Katara was a fast learner when it came to the element of water. 
Also, The question was: Is Aang a stronger waterbender in the Avatar State? 
Also, Toph be able to use metal on the Avatar in order to trap him or create a barrier or something like that while Katara is  distracting him. 
Zuko could also find a way to help aswell, I am not saying that Katara is the only person who can defeat the Avatar, I am saying that she is a big part  of the reason why they would come out with a victory.
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@VictoriaGrey_2010:  

the only question that you guys can go off of is if Aang is a stronger bender in the Avatar State. 

 
 
I don't see how that is even a question. While in the Avatar State, Aang used waterbending to singlehandedly repel a massive fleet of Fire Navy ships with hardly any effort at all. 
No other waterbender in the Avatar series has ever displayed even a fraction of that level of power.
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@SpidermanPrimeZ:
I NEVER stated that Avatar Aang COULD NOT use the Avatar State, so stop puting words in my mouth. 
And when it comes to Bloodbending, we know that Aang (not in the Avatar State) isnt a stronger bender than Katara, the only question that you guys can go off of is if Aang is a stronger bender in the Avatar State.
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@pooty:  

If there is no such thing as Blood-bending then why did Hama call Katara a BLOODBENDER?  
  Another thing, if Bloodbending is nothing special then why can it only be used during a harvest moon? Hama herself said it is one if the strongest Waterbending moves there are. 
Also, my mistake for the spelling error, didn’t know that this was a spelling test. 
Also, I am not over ranking Katara, when I talk about the Firebenders, I am talking about them at their strongest; it isn’t that hard to guess that the comet is out too.  
I mean why wouldn’t it be? If Katara has the Harvest moon, and Avatar Aang has the Avatar State, why wouldn’t  the comet be out? 
Also, I HATE Katara, but the fact remains that she is stronger and wiser than Azula and Zuko.  
Even on Sozin's Comet, Katara still showed an enormous amount of power when it comes to the battle between her and Azula, and that was when Azula was at her peek. If Katara could hold her own up against Azula the strongest Firebenders there is, I am sure Katara could hold her own up against Avatar Aang. Imagine if Katara had the harvest moon, she would have her normal Waterbending enhanced three times fold, not to mention she would be able to BLOODBEND since that is the CORRECT TERM. 
I have said before that Aang is a fast learner compared to Katara, but he isn’t a stronger Waterbender, LOOK AT THE POST I POSTED ON THE PAGE BRFORE, gosh, it explains why the Avatar isn’t a stronger bender. 
Also you say it takes a while to Blood-Bend correct? Well as I recall it didn’t even take a few seconds for Katara to take down the caption if the Southern Rainers correct?   
Also, you say that Aang has "mastered" Everything that Katara has correct? Well he hasn’t mastered Bloodbending, bending the water out of plant life, bending the water out of thin air, bending the rain drops, the list goes on.

Also, don’t insult me when it comes to the correction that I corrected you on before, because you were taking about Aang, you never stated that he was in the Avatar state, ok? If that is what you were implying then you should have made it clearer.