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Posted by brc2000

Is the final story weak just because of the use of telepathy (an unusual sentiment for a site that generally focuses on superheroes), or because they don't do anything interesting with it?

Also I don't think you've mentioned, but are you reading the original issues or a reprinted collection. I can only seem to find "best of" editions.

Posted by brc2000

Well, it is called Aphrodite IX,

Posted by brc2000

Ugh. I hate to come back to this garbage, seeing that your posts are headache inducing. This is the last time I'm even going to look at this review, I promise. I just couldn't let this moronic statement go, especially since I've seen you mention a similar thing on the forums before, and since I've got a whole bunch of messages in my inbox, I might as well:

"Here's the thing, looking at your average review score it's a 4/5 which means you review things more positively than not. You don't have an eye for quality because if you did you wouldn't have a 4 or 5 star average you'd have between a 2.5 and 3.5 average." - Having mostly positive reviews doesn't mean that you like almost everything you read (and therefore lead to being a poor judge of quality) . It only means that you'd rather review things you feel strongly towards. No one is under any obligation to rewie things they find mediocre just for the sake of balancing their average. In fact, your admission to that makes your reviews look even less genuine, since you have to ensure that your rating doesn't lean towards the positive or negative. Maybe you've heard of a thing called "logic". You should look it up sometime. You giving "balanced scores" doesn't make you a better reviewer than anyone else. It's how you explain your points that matters, not the score, and any good reviewer would know that. It doesn't matter if you have a low average rating and someone only gives out 5 star ratings, if he manages to get his points across well. You thinking that you're special because of that reason is absolutely laughable.

Also, Superman is not supposed to be "weak" to magic any more than any other non-magical hero. He only lacks resistance to it. Of course there are even certain writers who make that mistake (James Robinson did it recently in his mediocre JLA run). And even if he is, that could be explained as Superman not knowing the extent of his vulnerability (Cyborg's reaction seems to confirm this), or the fact that it's a reboot so not everything that counted pre-Flashpoint will necessarily count now. The characters fight magical villains all the time. There's nothing strange about them being sent to deal with it. They are the Justice League, after all.

That's all.

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You think Watchmen is bad and like several mediocre DC books. Don't talk about "writing quality". Have you even read your own reviews?

I didn't even need to mention the part after "Edit". That was only to to poke fun, and has nothing to do with the argument. Of course, nothing else I said means anything because of that. Pretty typical for your type. "He's rude so his entire argument is invalid".

The Youtube link was the first one and I saw a DCUO vid there, and a DCUO result on the second page mentioning poor behavior on forums. I was actually hoping to find an anime character so I could confirm that you're one of those people who think "east is king"

I find it hilarious that what you took from that long thing about comics is that I only like DC/Marvel or Japanese stuff

Nope I took that from "Read some, none memorable. most western comics are crapshoots as to quality". Now most comics are probably crap, but then so is most of everything. Sturgeon's law and all. Consider that only the well received mangas are the ones that probably get translated.

Can't find anything wrong with your argument? Which is why I've addressed pretty much EVERYTHING you've mentioned. It's only now that you explain what exactly you want to see in a Justice League book. Had you mentioned that in your review instead of namedropping D-listers, there wouldn't be a problem, even though I disagree with you.

Your whole conception of importance is flawed. Funny how you didn't address that at all in your response. That is the main thing I was arguing. Importance is not based on opinion. You saying that Constantine has no importance in comics, is wrong and only makes you look like a fool. You also didn't tell me how you went to having no clue about Constantine, to suddenly knowing his origins and everything.

I already mentioned why your entire review fails, but if you want to disregard my entire argument because you're too sensitive, then whatever. All I can say is you won't last long on the internet.

What racist word? Weaboo? You don't know what "racist" means. I like plenty of Japanese things (Seven Samurai is one of my favorite films). I don't like people who think that Japanese stuff is always superior, however.

"but then you try to say people hate you so you are wrong." - Never said that. The rest of that paragraph is pointless. You're wrong because you're wrong regardless of what people think of you. I mentioned the outside sources to confirm what a useless person you are. That's my opinion of you.

No one is saying there's anything wrong with personal opinions. Your argument goes beyond simply disliking it. If you simply said "John Constantine is a lame character and I don't like him", that would at least be honest. You trying to argue that Shining Knight and Mistfit would make the books better, or better fit your conception of how a Justice League book should work is not criticism, and seeing how that makes up your entire review, it's pretty much a failure. Guess what? The title doesn't have to mean anything.

I'm not going to bother with the atheism thing, because that's an eyesore, because that has nothing to do with the argument and was just for a bit of fun, and because I've already argued about it too many times. You can probably find some of them on the religious threads here that used to pop up from time to time.

Funny you mention trolling, because I'm convinced you're one. No one can be this stupid. As to why I keep arguing, is because people like you are a major pet peeve of mine. That's the problem with kids being told that they're special.

Oh and I'm not arguing because you don't like the book (which I think I've mentioned a lot already, but you don't seem to be able to grasp simple concepts)

Don't worry, I have no intention of dragging this out any further. One last thing though, you mentioned that "people love you" or whatever. I don't know about those places but you definitely have a low approval rating here. You have to be pretty bad to not have at least 50%. And if you think people dislike you because of your opinions, you should consider the fact that it probably has more to do with how you express those opinions than anything else. Contrary to what you believe you're not the only person in the world who doesn't only give 4 or 5 stars. But more ad hominem attacks! Online gamers are mostly idiots. Yes, I do believe that your opinions are as worthwhile as that of a person who only eats fast food and considers himself a foodie, or that of someone on Budgie when he only listens to modern radio rock. Call it ad hominem if you like. I call it truth. Anyway, continue your pointless crusade, and thinking that books aimed at 13 year olds are the be-all and end-all of comics, and I'll continue making fun of your "reviews".

Ciao

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@Durakken said:

@Silkcuts said:

@brc2000 said:

But you did use the fact that there are people who may like your reviews as part of your comments, like that means anything.

Yes, popularity is important to be influential, but here's the thing - all the characters I mentioned are known, at least by name, by anyone who knows anything about comics. What I'm saying is being more popular doesn't automatically make you more important. Using that logic Dan Brown is greater than Jorges Luis Borges. More people have heard of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest than Wizardry, but it was the latter series that influenced RPGs in the east and the west. Linkin Park is more popular then Black Sabbath. I could go on with examples. Constantine is important to comics. Maybe not to Superman or Thor comics, but he's important.

From WIkipedia:

  • The character of Jack Carter in Warren Ellis and John Cassaday's comic book series Planetary is an analogue of John Constantine; he fakes his death and turns into an analogue of Ellis' Spider Jerusalem, stating that with the Eighties over, it's "time to be someone else": this has been interpreted as Ellis criticising the Constantine character for being too tied to his origins as a reaction to eighties politics and stating that more modern characters have since taken on his mantle. Ellis had previously written several issues of Hellblazer, a run which ended when DC Comics refused to publish his story "Shoot" because it dealt with the sensitive subject of high school shootings (such as the Columbine High School massacre).
  • Constance Johanssen, a blonde, chain-smoking British woman in a trenchcoat was also created by Ellis for his Pryde and Wisdom series for Marvel Comics. “Constance Johanssen. Excellent occult detective. Has a habit of getting her friends killed. Two hundred at last count.”
  • Grant Morrison originally wanted Constantine to become a supporting character in his Doom Patrol series, but DC's editorial policy at the time prevented Constantine from making extended appearances in superhero comics, for fear of spoiling the realism of Hellblazer. As a result, Morrison created the magus Willoughby Kipling. Like Constantine, he was a chain-smoking, trenchcoat-wearing cynic. Unlike Constantine, however, he was a lifetime alcoholic and looked rather like Richard E. Grant's character in Withnail & I. It was revealed in Hellblazer #51 that he and Constantine have met, and he had a brief voice-over cameo in Warren Ellis' JLA: Classified story "New Maps of Hell".
  • Neil Gaiman, a long-time admirer of Alan Moore, created John Constantine's ancestor for his award winning series, The Sandman. Johanna Constantine, despite being more polite than her descendant, showed the same daring attitude. The crowning achievement of her career was transporting the severed Head of Orpheus from France to Greece. After a deal with the Mad Hettie, who John himself had made contact with several times, she died at the age of 99, despising her immediate family and was buried somewhere near the temple where she had left Orpheus. The Two Constantines have met on at least one occasion.
  • Ambroise Bierce is the name of a character intended to be John Constantine in Phil Foglio's Stanley and His Monster limited series, but changed at the last minute due to editorial policy. Gregori Eilovotich Rasputin played a similar role for Firestorm and Captain Atom that Constantine did for Swamp Thing, while Hellblazer! was a Jack Kirby-style reinterpretation of the character who appeared in Doom Patrol and The Books of Magic.
  • A Mite version of John Constantine appeared in Batman: Mitefall.
  • According to actor Misha Collins, the wardrobe of the character Castiel on the TV show Supernatural is based on that of John Constantine.

Yep, a totally useless character...

Empire rated the character as the third greatest of all time. IGN has him on 29th out of a 100 characters. Wizard Magazine ranked him 10 out of 200.

Also, if any one "in the know" knows nothing about Constantine, then they're not "in the know". It would be like a film snob not knowing about Dr. Strangelove.

Are you saying that Constantine is not important because he doesn't appear in other DC character's books and that he doesn't affect the DC Universe, or because he doesn't appear in media outside of comics (There was a Constantine film. It sucked, but it still exists)? Both of those reasons are dumb in any case. And you've never seen anyone mention the character? Maybe on Comicvine, since people usually only go for the mainstream stuff, but on most other websites not focused on Marvel and DC heroes, it'll be a different story I guarantee. Or maybe you're just new to comics because you seem completely unaware of Hellblazer, a series that's been running for decades.

If you think the big Marvel and DC superheroes are the be-ll and end-all of comics, then I just don't know...

There's a whole world of comics outside the Marvel and DC mainstream superhero universes where the influence of Spider-Man doesn't mean crap. At this point I'll actually be surprised if you've ever read anything not taking place on Earth-616, or New Earth.

I suppose Franz Kafka has no importance because he isn't as popular as Jane Austen or Charles Dickens.

And the important thing is if you have no idea who these characters are, how do you know whether they "fit the mold" or not? Maybe you should explain why you think the characters don't fit the title, and why the characters you mentioned are "better", because I'm not getting anything. All you're coming across as is someone who only likes mainstream superheroes.

@Silkcuts said:

oh this reviewer must only read Geoff Johns stuff.

Looks like it at this point.

^_^ and for once it is not me schooling someone on my favorite character. Mind you mate I still hold claim to the title of Comicvine's biggest and greatest John Constantine fan. You worded it nicely, everyone who is in the know knows constantine and that is why my review for this same comic has the highest recommendation, since I know Peter Milligan is not in the dark, the man is brilliant. His run on Hellblazer and his re-imaging of shade should be taught in writing classes. again about popularity, it is sad Milligan is not more Popular, he is just as gifted as Grant Morrison, but no where near the popularity. Cheers mate, you made this man find his devil smile again. - Kevin

So you admit your bias and the other hasn't read the comic... It's like me reviewing a comic with Tim Drake in it and giving it a 5 star rating simply because it has Tim Drake in it and wrote by Chuck Dixon or arguing with someone giving that book a 1 star rating even though I haven't read it. It doesn't hold very much credibility.

#1. I don't care how important a character is to "comics". It doesn't matter. This comic wasn't good.

#2. You're assuming I don't know who Constantine is because I said he isn't a very well known character. He isn't, but that doesn't mean i don't know who he is or that I don't know his origins aren't from comics or that I don't know that there are other characters based on him, but then those aren't him and regardless of whether they are or not it seem more like some people like the character and instead of being inspired by that character they just rip him off... and the character isn't very original to begin with but I'm not critiquing him so moving on.

#3. You are conflating the words better and important. Cassandra Cain is a imminently better character than just about every other DC and Marvel character out there. Is she important? No. You remove here and nothing really changes. You may think that a character is the best in the world. That doesn't make them important. Likewise importance does not mean better or good. Twilight, one of the worst books of modern literature is incredibly important simply because of the popularity it has with it's audience. That popularity is influence and that influence can make things happen and thus important.

#4. Now, as far as me not having experience outside of mainstream DC and Marvel. Somewhat true, but time and again I've been known to know more than your average comic fan about comics before i start reading comics. I started reading western comics a lot about 1.5 years ago now... oh but not how you think. You see, in that time I have read over 3700 issues starting from 87 after Crisis on Infinite Earths... that list includes Every bat family/gotham centered book, started on Superman family but it's hard to read due to poor writing...got up to 1994 though, that includes GL, Hal's original origin, secret origin, and then rebirth onwards... and then I've read about half of the Ultimate universe books... and then Marvel's Spidey titles starting right before Civil war to Back in Black (and that was a horrible read). You know what else that includes? Kingdom Come, TDK and TDKR, Dead Earth, Kick-ass, and Watchmen (which is in my opinion not a very good comic)

I also have read a lot of other comics as i was growing up, but those were inconsistent pick ups, and as far as non-mainstream non-DC/Marvel western comics... Read some, none memorable. most western comics are crapshoots as to quality and what you're getting from issue to issue. I personally read characters that interest me and most western comics are simply trying to emulate either Marvel/DC style which is already kinda bad quality in general or the Manga style without the support structure or anything more than just the art style.

Here's the thing. If you think 3700 issues is a lot with western comics. Before I start catching up with western comics I read about 20 Manga a week and often read series that had already completed with 100+ issues each week...and that's been over the course of several years... So if you consider anything not DC/Marvel New-Earth/616 not mainstreams i've read at least 5 times that in non-mainstream.

But hey I'm not well read I've only read about 20000+ issues of comics/ranging in genre and art style. If you want to say I haven't read enough to know a good book or good writing or a good team set up then I'm cool with that. You kinda look like a fool considering I've likely read more comics/manga than most people alive but hey that's up to you and I'm still willing to defend you and say, yeah maybe I'm just dumb and even though I've read so many I'm kinda dumb when it comes to my own opinion on the matter and why I think it is bad or good in comparison to everything else I've read.

Here's what you don't get. I don't care that you don't like the book, but you saying that Traci 13 would make the book better is what I don't get. You didn't explain why she or any of the other characters would be a better choice than Constantine or Shade. Or what makes them "fit the mold" of the Justice League. It's the fact that you think that Constantine and Shade don't belong in a Justice League book that I take issue with, not your opinion on the writing (though having recently read the book, I can say you're wrong. Not surprising, seeing that your someone who thinks general DC/Marvel output is more worthwhile than Watchmen and gave 5 stars). If you'd left out that part where you list characters that you think somehow would make the book better (because it's what characters are used, not HOW characters are used that makes a good book, since characters totally write themselves), we wouldn't even be having this discussion, and your "review" wold be left alone. You turned a below average "review" into a completely terrible "review", made even worse by the fact that you've already made a topic in the past showing that you're an Empress, Misfit, and Black Alice fan. Guess what, a lot of people don't care about those characters more than Constantine, Xanadu, or Shade. Your review is nothing but absolute bias. Characters YOU personally have a thing for aren't going to make a book better, and is criticism at it's poorest. Even after all that, if you, in your obvious ignorance, didn't say that Constantine has no importance, I would have left it at the first comment. I couldn't leave the line, "As far as Constantine being the most important character in comics, considering he's had nothing to do with mainstream marvel in 20+ years and nothing to do with Marvel obviously I highly doubt that", alone. That was pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say outside of Youtube.

And I know the difference between better and important. I belong to a community that specializes in analyzing various forms of media, and ranking them in terms of influence, cultural impact, popularity, acclaim, originality, and other factors. Constantine is important, and if nothing else, is certainly the most important out of the characters in this particular line up. It's you, who thinks that only mainstream Marvel and DC comics superheroes can be important, that looks the fool here. Anyway keep thinking that being more popular makes you more important. It doesn't matter that more people have read Twilight and The Da Vinci Code, Moby Dick is still more influential and relevant to society as a whole. Megadeth is more popular than Exodus and Slayer, but it's the latter two bands whose sounds are heard more in metal. Why did you put "comics" in quotes? Maybe you think being important in the comic book world means nothing. In which case, you shouldn't even be here. It's like Ebert reviewing video games.

You said that in your review you had "no clue" about Constantine, but now you do?

That aside...

If you think that the DC/Marvel superheroes are the only good things western comics have to offer, then that's your opinion, but nobody is going to take you as someone worth listening to when to comes to anything but that. I certainly won't. Anyway, you've already confirmed that you're not only a Marvel/DC fanboy, but someone who thinks that only Japan has the really good stuff (i.e. a weaboo). I can easily say that I find manga art to be garbage (and I do), but that's only stylistic preference. Speaking of that, I may not be a big manga fan, but I'm not going to say hat Death Note or Berserk aren't important in the manga world. In terms of quality and being "worthwile", I suppose the manga equivalent of your argument would be saying Pokemon and Naruto are the only worthwhile ones.

And I obviously like DC/Marvel. I too mainly read that when I just got into comics, and have read EVERY post-crisis DC book. But apart from certain books, like Gotham Central, early Runaways, and Hitman, I know that most other books contain better writing, less ass-pulls, and a much more consistent continuity. Saying that writing company-owned characters is better than writing your own thing, is akin to someone saying Dungeons and Dragons novels are better than Gormenghast. You can like it better, but you still have to know that you're going to be seen as someone with poor taste.

You'd still be entitled to your opinion, but the fact is, you saying that Constantine has no importance, when you only stick to the DC/Marvel universes makes you look like a moron. Next you'll tell me Judge Dredd has no importance, despite 2000 A.D. being THE most important comic in Britain.

Thank you for bringing out the tired old argument of I've read/watched/listened to millions of blah blah blah. Doesn't mean crap if you still can't discern quality. When I was young and got into heavy metal, I used to listen to about 15 new albums a month. Didn't matter, I was still a n00b with crappy taste. It was only when I started slowing down and thinking about it that I really stated to appreciate it more, and in the end I discovered things of a much higher quality.

As someone who only reads DC/Marvel, you're no better than someone who only reads Star Wars and Star Trek novels thinking he's a science fiction fan. Someone could eat at McDonald's and Burger King everyday of his life, but he still wouldn't know what a good burger tastes like. Though, you probably think you're some kind of enlightened "individualist" or "free thinker" anyway (most people who insist that everything that they're not familiar with sucks, do), so what I say shouldn't matter. And I say your opinion on comic books doesn't matter, no matter how much you claim to have read. You can stay in your little box thinking that you're reading the best comics have to offer with Geoff Johns and Judd Winnick, and I'll read Mike Carey's Lucifer in the mean time.

Edit: Wow. I googled "Durrakken" expecting it to be a lame anime character, and I found that he posts on a whole bunch of websites where he's pretty much hated for lame arguments. I didn't even have to click on any of the links to see that. Though I did click one. I really hope it was you who posted this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ub2n6JmUI&feature=channel_video_title. It would explain so much. At the moment I'm thinking you just got into comics after playing the crappy DCU Online game.

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But you did use the fact that there are people who may like your reviews as part of your comments, like that means anything.

Yes, popularity is important to be influential, but here's the thing - all the characters I mentioned are known, at least by name, by anyone who knows anything about comics. What I'm saying is being more popular doesn't automatically make you more important. Using that logic Dan Brown is greater than Jorges Luis Borges. More people have heard of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest than Wizardry, but it was the latter series that influenced RPGs in the east and the west. Linkin Park is more popular then Black Sabbath. I could go on with examples. Constantine is important to comics. Maybe not to Superman or Thor comics, but he's important.

From WIkipedia:

  • The character of Jack Carter in Warren Ellis and John Cassaday's comic book series Planetary is an analogue of John Constantine; he fakes his death and turns into an analogue of Ellis' Spider Jerusalem, stating that with the Eighties over, it's "time to be someone else": this has been interpreted as Ellis criticising the Constantine character for being too tied to his origins as a reaction to eighties politics and stating that more modern characters have since taken on his mantle. Ellis had previously written several issues of Hellblazer, a run which ended when DC Comics refused to publish his story "Shoot" because it dealt with the sensitive subject of high school shootings (such as the Columbine High School massacre).
  • Constance Johanssen, a blonde, chain-smoking British woman in a trenchcoat was also created by Ellis for his Pryde and Wisdom series for Marvel Comics. “Constance Johanssen. Excellent occult detective. Has a habit of getting her friends killed. Two hundred at last count.”
  • Grant Morrison originally wanted Constantine to become a supporting character in his Doom Patrol series, but DC's editorial policy at the time prevented Constantine from making extended appearances in superhero comics, for fear of spoiling the realism of Hellblazer. As a result, Morrison created the magus Willoughby Kipling. Like Constantine, he was a chain-smoking, trenchcoat-wearing cynic. Unlike Constantine, however, he was a lifetime alcoholic and looked rather like Richard E. Grant's character in Withnail & I. It was revealed in Hellblazer #51 that he and Constantine have met, and he had a brief voice-over cameo in Warren Ellis' JLA: Classified story "New Maps of Hell".
  • Neil Gaiman, a long-time admirer of Alan Moore, created John Constantine's ancestor for his award winning series, The Sandman. Johanna Constantine, despite being more polite than her descendant, showed the same daring attitude. The crowning achievement of her career was transporting the severed Head of Orpheus from France to Greece. After a deal with the Mad Hettie, who John himself had made contact with several times, she died at the age of 99, despising her immediate family and was buried somewhere near the temple where she had left Orpheus. The Two Constantines have met on at least one occasion.
  • Ambroise Bierce is the name of a character intended to be John Constantine in Phil Foglio's Stanley and His Monster limited series, but changed at the last minute due to editorial policy. Gregori Eilovotich Rasputin played a similar role for Firestorm and Captain Atom that Constantine did for Swamp Thing, while Hellblazer! was a Jack Kirby-style reinterpretation of the character who appeared in Doom Patrol and The Books of Magic.
  • A Mite version of John Constantine appeared in Batman: Mitefall.
  • According to actor Misha Collins, the wardrobe of the character Castiel on the TV show Supernatural is based on that of John Constantine.

Yep, a totally useless character...

Empire rated the character as the third greatest of all time. IGN has him on 29th out of a 100 characters. Wizard Magazine ranked him 10 out of 200.

Also, if any one "in the know" knows nothing about Constantine, then they're not "in the know". It would be like a film snob not knowing about Dr. Strangelove.

Are you saying that Constantine is not important because he doesn't appear in other DC character's books and that he doesn't affect the DC Universe, or because he doesn't appear in media outside of comics (There was a Constantine film. It sucked, but it still exists)? Both of those reasons are dumb in any case. And you've never seen anyone mention the character? Maybe on Comicvine, since people usually only go for the mainstream stuff, but on most other websites not focused on Marvel and DC heroes, it'll be a different story I guarantee. Or maybe you're just new to comics because you seem completely unaware of Hellblazer, a series that's been running for decades.

If you think the big Marvel and DC superheroes are the be-ll and end-all of comics, then I just don't know...

There's a whole world of comics outside the Marvel and DC mainstream superhero universes where the influence of Spider-Man doesn't mean crap. At this point I'll actually be surprised if you've ever read anything not taking place on Earth-616, or New Earth.

I suppose Franz Kafka has no importance because he isn't as popular as Jane Austen or Charles Dickens.

And the important thing is if you have no idea who these characters are, how do you know whether they "fit the mold" or not? Maybe you should explain why you think the characters don't fit the title, and why the characters you mentioned are "better", because I'm not getting anything. All you're coming across as is someone who only likes mainstream superheroes.

Constantine is THE main selling point of the book.

@Silkcuts said:

oh this reviewer must only read Geoff Johns stuff.

Looks like it at this point.

Posted by brc2000

You have 13 followers. Nothing to brag about. Plus, a lot of people only "follow" to get followers themselves. Just sayin'.

Also, Silkcuts said "one of the most" important characters in comics, not "the most important". Also there are comics outside mainstream Marvel and DC. Or are Judge Dredd, Tin Tin, Asterix, Cerebus, Spider Jerusalem, Usagi Yojimbo, The Endless, Hellboy, and the cast of Watchmen not important? Importance =/= popularity.

I haven't read the issue, so I can't judge the accuracy of the review in regards to the writing, and maybe the characters are wooden or whatever, but the bit complaining about the characters chosen for the comes of as "I don't know these characters, and some D-list character from the DC Universe that even less people know or care about should be there instead", which makes no sense to me. This is obviously a book meant for Vertigo readers to enjoy, along with Animal Man and Swamp Thing, so the characters chosen make perfect sense. Saying the introductions to the characters aren't great, and that the established heroes act out character is a valid complaint (if it's actually true, that is), but saying that a book sucks because characters you personally don't know are in it is dumb

I doubt Shining Knight, Traci 13, and Empress would be any more accommodating than Shade and Constantine to readers unfamiliar with them. In fact, I'm sure there'll be readers who won't even know anything about Zatanna. Constantine however, is much more relevant to popular culture than pretty much all of the characters you mentioned, except Captain Marvel. And we already have Shining Knight and Etrigan in Demon Knights.

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Wait... you say that the characters are unknown, but would rather they add even lesser known characters like Traci 13 and Misfit?

If you consider non-regular DC readers, Constantine is probably the most well known out of all the characters in the book.

Posted by brc2000

Yup. Bendis is really bad at this kind of thing. As far as he's concerned, if characters have never met in a book that he wrote, they've never met at all.

Posted by brc2000

Marvel hasn't been interesting me much lately, but this is one of the few titles keeping me invested.