boostergold321

This is what happened in Hulk's first appearance, he withstand a gamma-bomb. An atomic bomb with a high yield of gamma ray energy. If you know how powerful gamma rays are then then you know this is a pretty impressive feat:

By the way, you can't judge an emission of energy by the blast radius. You also have to take into account the concentration of energy.

I can concentrate the power of a million megaton-bombs into a blast-radius of a few feet. A Gamma ray burst puts out billions upon billions upon of megatons in less than a millisecond but they are concentrated into a jet stream motion instead of exploding in a wide, spherical motion, like a supernova. Blast-radius is not equal to the power of a blast.

And of course, Hulk is also shown to be bulletproof in his first appearance:

@SC

Exactly!

Marvel just launches new titles but they don't erase character history.

@ThunderGodsWrath

While character talk can be cheap, Thor's speed has always been astonishing to his opponents. The original Black Knight shoots bolas from his lance that are literally surrounding Thor, but because of his speed, Thor knocks the lance away and evades capture. Black Knight exclaims, "I've never seen such speed... such power!!" From Avengers #6:


Here, Hela only has to touch Thor in order to ensnare his soul in 1v1 combat, but is unable to do so because of his speed, "His speed, his anger, are beyond comprehension!" From Thor #354:




Here, while fending off two Herald-level foes, Adam Warlock likens his ability to catch his staff mid-swing and his combat speed to that of lightning, "He moves like the lightning he commands, much quicker than I remember." From Infinity Watch #23:

Likewise here, Thor digs a trench in a blur of motion that is "almost too fast for the human eye to follow." From Marvel Team-Up #26:


And here, while helping rebuild Asgard, Thor hammers down repeatedly on a pillar and "becomes a blur of motion" in Thor #267:


Thor's combat reflex speed feats are impressive in their own right. Here, Thor reacts to a knife being swung down only inches from his face with a mighty heave inThor #218:

Thor reacts and swats away arrows that are only a few feet away from hitting him from behind in Thor vol. 2 #27:


Here, Thor is about to have his face smashed by a cursed Mjolnir which is zooming back to him, but he moves swiftly enough on reaction to dodge it in Thor vol. 2 #27:


Thor reacts to Wrecker swinging his mystic crowbar onto Thor's head from behind. Literally only inches away, Thor moves so swiftly once again, he snatches the crowbar with his hand in Thor vol. 2 #29:

And it looks like current Thor hasn't lost that bare-handed touch as he catches Bor's axe inches from his face in Thor #600:


He's also fended off an ambush by Wolverine who was right on top of him in Wolverine vs Thor #2:

Another common way to measure those is to see how well Thor does against speedsters. Here, Thor builds a trench around crazed citizens and Avengers, including a zooming Quicksilver in Avengers #98:


Here, Thor punks the Newman speedster, Juvan, who was created by the High Evolutionary, using nothing but his bare hands in Thor #447:


Here, Thor catches another High Evolutionary creation who possesses superspeed, the godling, Zefra in Thor #475:

And Thor has punked the superspeedster, Hermes, the literal Greek God of Speed, not just once, but twice in Avengers #281 and Thor vol. 2 #27:



But even superspeedsters can job and it's difficult to quantify exactly how fast they are going in each instance. But Thor does have directly measurable superspeed feats. Here, he literally snatches a fired tank shell out of mid-air with his bare hand in Journey Into Mystery #93:

And similarly snatches a fired missile with his bare hand in Marvel Team-Up #148:


Here, we see Thor flying outside a window and when Jane Foster gets his attention, Thor manages to intercept Cobra's poison dart within a split-second. The dart is fired before he even is inside the room, just to give you the proper frame of reference to understand the speed and reflexes necessary in Journey Into Mystery #98:


Here, in the space of one and one-fifth seconds, Thor dives out of the sky, smashes Mjolnir down and causes a shockwave to divert a runaway truck from killing a young boy ACROSS the city in Journey Into Mystery #108:


Here, Thor's able to swat away a torrent of flying bricks t to be half a building, not allowing any of them to pass through in the space ofmilliseconds. To give you a reference as to how fast he's swinging his arms back and forth, check out panels three and four. Notice how far a speedblitzing Gladiator advances between Thor's swings! From Thor vol. 2 #34:

Here, in the space of micro-seconds before a zooming cursed Mjolnir will strike Thor from behind, Thor lays a haymaker onto an Enchanter and spins around in time to snatch Mjolnir in mid-air, from Thor#144:


Now we all know Thor has stopped bullets and energy beams by spinning Mjolnir around. And it's been argued that he has to do that because he's not fast enough to block them traditionally with Mjolnir or bat them away. After all, he'd require faster than bullet ("FTB") and faster than light ("FTL") combat speed reflexes to do so. However, these next scans should dispel ANY doubt whether he does possess FTB or FTL combat speed reflexes since he deflects bullets and energy blasts bymoving or swinging Mjolnir once rather than by spinning Mjolnir. Here, with FTB speed, he deflects two bullets with a single swing way back in Journey Into Mystery#100:


Here, he blocks a single bullet with the head of Mjolnir before whirling it to create a field in Thor #246:


As for FTL reactions that can be measured in nanoseconds (light travels one foot per nanosecond), he's swung and swatted away Blastaar's energy blasts in Thor#270:

Far from a one-off FTL feat, he does the same to Mole Man's energy blaster shot in Marvel Two-In-One #96:
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Here, Enchantress shoots a blast at Captain America and Thor reacts with FTL speed to cut off the energy blast in mid-flight, from Marvel Comics Presents #44:
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Phoenix shoots a telepathic blast at a groggy Thor at the moment Thor's arms are at his side. AFTER the shot is fired and already traveling at him, Thor raises his arms and reflects it back with Mjolnir. Telepathy being instantaneous traditionally (as noted in the narration), we can assume for the sake of argument that it was only traveling at light-speed, making this another FTL feat, from Excalibur#428:



In terms of flight speed, he's flown at least three times the speed of light, from Thor #185:


He bats away a possessed Iron Man's repulsor rays in Avengers vol. 3 #3:

And again bats away ray blasts in a training session in Avengers vol. 3 #23:


Punking Quicksilver again In Mighty avengers vol #34:

How does Superman have a speed advantage? Can someone answer that honestly? Besides magic, what advantage or disadvantages are there really???

Both characters have been shown with microsecond and nanosecond reaction time!!

Both characters can move at supersonic speeds.

Both characters, on rare occassion, move at the speed of light and beyond!

Both characters have shown arstronomical feats of power!

Anyone who tries to puts one over the other when it comes to personal abilities is just bein biased, wanting to favor one characters over another despite that the facts tell them the opposite!

Both characters depend on the circumstance of story. These guys have people from the real world pulling their strings. They're called WRITERS!!

Both have missed the mark against things that have been shown within their ability to handle!

Superman looks like Stupid-man every so often against the lame villains of DC!

Thor gets made to look like the god of blunder instead of thunder from time to time as well with low-tiers of Marvel!

It's called jobbing. The Job is doing less than what your expected to do when it comes to your superpowers. Thor and Superman's power have to take a dive sometimes for the sake of the story!

When it happens, people, in state of shock ask, "where did the characters' speed/other powers go?"

The answer: It was put on the back-burner awaiting the writers permission to be used, that's where.

Does that make them chumps all of sudden? Should we ignore the level of Super-ness that they are known for? No! We should simply realize that writers don't let the characters perform to the best of their abilities 100 percent of the time because if they did, then most of the time, there would be no story interesting enough to read.

@Killemall

Shouldn't we define magic first before say what's/who's magical and who's not?

@iamthewolf88

He can remove Hulk from fight, for sure. That's the only sane move.

It's foolishness to fight the Hulk in a battle to the death.

It's about deconstructing something's atomic-molecular structure, which takes raw power to do, and then rearranging the atomic molecular structure.

I Don't overrate villains.

No one denies that villains like Doctor Doom, Lex Luthor, Leader, Brainiac, and the other are smart. I just say they're smartness doesn't beat all. if they're smartness was so unbeatable then they wouldn't ever be getting taken down. Planning is good but no plan can always survive the endless variables of the real world that interfere with them.

Being smart doesn't help you against the Hulk in a fight to the death. Hulk always win those fights and it's because he's made to win those fights.

It's pretty simple. No matter how much powerful you have in comparison to the Hulk in any instance, does not matter.

There is nothing the Hulk can't smash. Ultimately, there is no force stronger than the Hulk. The Hulk is power personified. Going against the Hulk is going against the limitless forces of nature.

The Hulk will rise to whatever you put against him and he'll smash. That's just what Hulk does, He smashes. That's what he does best.

Hulk can certainly be outsmarted, especially if he's just in "Hulk smash"-mode, but in a fight to the death nothing can overcome him.

@iamthewolf88

Stan Lee was trying to outdo his previous creations, the Fantastic Four and the first planetary threat, the Hulk.

Obviously a lot of people claiming to be fans know nothing of the characters because it was the Hulk who was Marvel's the first planetary threat, not Thor. Thor came after.

Lee wondered if he could made a hero smarter than Mister Fantastic and stronger than the strongest man, the Hulk. His answer was God. But since he couldn't have a comic starring God as the superhero he turned to the mythological gods like the Norse, and came up with his own adaptation of the Norse thunder god,Thor.