blackhawk

hmmm I guess you could say that if she didn't exist then he never would have existed. But since in his time line she wasn't born (and now it looks like she never will be) If she ever comes to exist it would have to be after he was born. (ie. in the main timeline Jen and Scott never had girl)

So who is the oldest? Cable or Marvel Girl. Because they travel though time so much and visit alternative realities its hard to pin down. But I'm interested in what others think.

I'm going to go with Dick here. Bruce has said on several occations that there isn't anything else he could teach knightwing. Also Dick's traingin with the Titians and natural agility that his parents push into him. But the real reason I think Dick would win is he just thinks more steps ahead. True bruce taught him how to do this but that's all he does. Bruce is much more likely to react than Dick will.