Why even as a Superman fan I'm not sure he could beat Hulk!

without wishing to fan the flames of an already contentious subject, I've been mulling over this topic since watching MOS. Here are my thoughts. Like many older comic book readers who perhaps has lost touch with the comic book world in recent years, I based my opinion of Hulk v Superman on the 70s versions of the characters, where it seemed that the planet moving Superman was way out of league for the strong, but approximately 100 ton lifting hulk. However during the 90s and 00s, when I was away from the comic book world, I hadn't realised that Superman had been re-booted following his "crisis!" and Hulk had been power boosted to unimaginable levels. It was after reading the death of superman books and Planet Hulk and then world War hulk graphic novels recently that I finally revised my view. MOS then changed my mind again somewhat. However, ultimately I just don't see how Superman could put Hulk down unless he was able to carry him out into space, something he tried without success on Doomsday, who is basically a Hulk rip off, in DOS. Hulk was shown on WWH to have massive powers of recovery, taking enormous shots without being knocked out. He shook the entire planet towards the end of his battle, he took out the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, battled Sentry to a stalemate and then seemed to ask to be taken out when it all got too much. Superman has fantastic speed but I don't think the post crisis version is any stronger than a very enraged hulk, particularly a WWH or WB Hulk. In fact, in a pure brawl, I suspect he may lose. Most superman fans say "Superman stomps", when the subject of a battle with Hulk comes up, but what is this view based on? Yes the silver age superman would probably take out any Hulk, but looking at his strength showings in the more recent comic books I have, I really don't see how the Superman we have now could KO the Hulk. Hulk just has this ability to get madder and madder and stronger and stronger and heals so damn fast, I'm not sure what superman has in his arsenal to do the job. Basically he would need to fly Hulk into space, where, as the argument goes, the non flying Hulk would be stuck in a vacuum and probably die. Now how does he do this to a 7 foot something 1000 lb mountain of anger? Is Hulk just going to sit still and enjoy the ride?

The other factor for me, is that Superman's fighting style generally relies on him coming into close quarters range of his adversary, because unlike someone like Iron Man, he doesn't really have any long range weaponary! Heat vision aside, his main weapons, are his strength and speed. So, he is likely to end up slugging it out, toe to toe, as he did with Doomsday, which naturally is an advantage to a bruiser like the Hulk.

So as a long standing fan of Superman and also a fan of Hulk I'm gonna take the easy option and say that this battle would end up in some sort of stalemate, with both parties exhausted and no one landing a Knockout. I guess that's how it would end anyway, if DC and Marvel ever did another cross over!

Of course I expect many of you will disagree, but if you do please do me a favour and articulate your views in some sort of reasoned logical argument, rather than come up with the usual "Hulk, or superman stomp" type retort!

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Posted by SheenLantern

You speak like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Superman is a massively faster than light, nanosecond reaction timer who can lift several sextillion tons.

Hulk is a massive, bulky, slow billlion tonner who gets speedblitz'd by Spider-Man.

Posted by Zijuun

Alright fanboy, I don't see the point of this thread.

Are you trying to convince the facts that Superman can't beat Hulk? Are you trying to convince us that you're right? Cause you're not. In a real fight, blood lusted, Hulk has no possible way of winning. At all.

:P

Zijuun

Posted by AllStarSuperman

Superman STOMPS!

Edited by Guardiandevil83

Hulk is not really slow. Just not faster then Clark. Also sadly Superman has far too many extra abilities. Freeze Breath, Heat Vision, and as acknowledged by yourself, far faster. But despite the above post, creators of both companies believe that the two would make good rivals for one another. And Superman does not use the faster then light punches in most battles, and subconsciously would hold back as not to damage whomever he is fighting. Which would allow Hulk to land a few. What I find funny is that people go out of the way to bring up Clark's speed, however ask why he allowed so many people to die in MOS and you get ``He can't be everywhere at once." Uh, yes he can, because according to his fans he is hundreds of times faster then the speed of light.

Posted by SheenLantern

@guardiandevil83 said:

however ask why he allowed so many people to die in MOS and you get ``He can't be everywhere at once." Uh, yes he can, because according to his fans he is hundreds of times faster then the speed of light.

The 'fans' did not film, direct and produce Man Of Steel.

Posted by deaditegonzo

Hulk is the weakest of the most powerful characters. What I mean is, compared to the other heavy hitters in Marvel, and especially DC, he is the least powerful overall. Just super strength isnt all that impressive when all the heavy hitters have super strength.

Posted by XImpossibruX

1000lb mountain of anger? That's not really impressive when compared to Superman.

Posted by JediXMan

You're right. Powerlevels have changed.

You didn't see Superman doing this in the 80s and 90s:

Posted by Guardiandevil83

@sheenlantern: This is true. If they had Superman would have ended the invasion with a Solar System shattering sneeze.

Posted by JediXMan

``He can't be everywhere at once." Uh, yes he can, because according to his fans he is hundreds of times faster then the speed of light.

It's called breaking Earth's atmosphere.

He is faster than light. He, Earth-2 Superman, and Superboy Prime fought from Earth to the remnants of Krypton during Infinite Crisis in the course of a few pages.

Posted by warlock360

You speak like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Superman is a massively faster than light

wat

Posted by Deranged Midget

@jedixman said:

@guardiandevil83 said:

``He can't be everywhere at once." Uh, yes he can, because according to his fans he is hundreds of times faster then the speed of light.

It's called breaking Earth's atmosphere.

He is faster than light. He, Earth-2 Superman, and Superboy Prime fought from Earth to the remnants of Krypton during Infinite Crisis in the course of a few pages.

Indeed, Flash is able to move at the speed of light only due to the speed force protecting him and his surroundings.

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Edited by lifeofvibe

@jedixman: and that is why the superman vs hulk is a mega stomp that also goes for goku too

Posted by Guardiandevil83

Do not mistake my words friends I know Hulk can't beat Clark. Hell, he should lose to Gladiator and Hyperion for the same reasons. But because of WHO he is. He will not go all out on someone he does not know can take the pace, leaving himself open to a few punches. Punches that will hurt.

Posted by SheenLantern

@sheenlantern said:

You speak like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Superman is a massively faster than light

wat

I'm not following you.

Edited by Loki9876

yes, he can.

Edited by Skyfire

He's too fast and would eventually stop Hulk.

Posted by Bezza

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@zijuun said:

Alright fanboy, I don't see the point of this thread.

Are you trying to convince the facts that Superman can't beat Hulk? Are you trying to convince us that you're right? Cause you're not. In a real fight, blood lusted, Hulk has no possible way of winning. At all.

:P

Zijuun

...and pray, what are the thoughts to back up these incisive comments? You see, Superman may be super fast, but that didn't stop Doomsday beating him to death in DOS, in what was basically a slug fest. Hulk was able to battle Sentry to a standstill and Sentry is basically the Marvel version of Hulk. i'm not saying Hulk beats superman, just that because he can take so much punishment and heals rapidly, I'm not sure how Superman puts him down for good.

Posted by viin

Faster than a speeding bullet guys....

I think its a pretty even fight but I would give Superman the edge just cause he has more powers and probably more control.

Posted by deaditegonzo

@viin said:

Faster than a speeding bullet guys....

I think its a pretty even fight but I would give Superman the edge just cause he has more powers and probably more control.

Are you trying to say he isnt faster than the speed of light? Based on a saying?

Because I can post a scan, FROM NEW 52 CONTINUITY, showing he is near 200x the speed of light.


@bezza said:

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@zijuun said:

Alright fanboy, I don't see the point of this thread.

Are you trying to convince the facts that Superman can't beat Hulk? Are you trying to convince us that you're right? Cause you're not. In a real fight, blood lusted, Hulk has no possible way of winning. At all.

:P

Zijuun

...and pray, what are the thoughts to back up these incisive comments? You see, Superman may be super fast, but that didn't stop Doomsday beating him to death in DOS, in what was basically a slug fest. Hulk was able to battle Sentry to a standstill and Sentry is basically the Marvel version of Hulk. i'm not saying Hulk beats superman, just that because he can take so much punishment and heals rapidly, I'm not sure how Superman puts him down for good.

Sentry has nowhere near the feats Superman does. Using even only the New 52, Superman is 200x the speed of light, can lift the weight of the planet continuously without a recharge for a business week, punch hard enough to send shockwaves to the core of the Earth and through the atmosphere, etc.

Doomsday himself would murder the Hulk. Doomsday evolves mid-combat, to be perfectly adapted to kill his opponent. Read Hunter/Prey, which is from the Death of Superman era (which btw is the weakest version of Superman ever), and then understand that Doomsday is not a good example of what Hulk is capable of. Also, Booster Gold says Doomsday is faster than the Flash, he tanked the full Omega Effect at a time when that was literally impossible, he killed a squad of Green Lanters, and he destroyed the Radiant, a being of pure energy made from the energy of an entire planet of Super Beings. At the time, the only way he could be stopped was by being deposited at the end of time, WHERE ENTROPY DESTROYED THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. There's a reason Doomsday is called the Ultimate.

Even were Hulk and Doomsday equals (see above theyre not), Doomsday was a threat to all of Metropolis, and Superman used himself as a shield to deflect Doomsday, are you saying this is an evil Hulk trying to kill millions of innocent civilians? BTW, when Superman and Doomsday had their next encounter in Hunter/Prey, Superman used every advantage he had, speed, flight, tech, and heat vision, but Doomsday evolved against it all, including evolving Kryptonite harpoons he could use to spear Superman midair.

Seriously, Doomsday >>> Hulk

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Posted by cfrehse

i look at it like this. I dont base a character of his one amazing feat. I base it off what they do consistently and both these characters have insane feats but their powers fluctuate like crazy. I do believe it would be an awesome pretty even fight. i know supes is faster that light but i can show scans where he gets tagged by much much slower. I know hulk is insanely strong but i can show scans of him getting knocked out by a lot less. Supes can move the speed of light and then he gets punched by metallo. Hulks regen and power factor due to rage and he gets weakened by a disk on his chest. Its all about the writers and how strong they want the characters to be. Plus comparing a character that has 9000 plus comics to someone that has far less is kind of a useless i have found out. Supes has more ammo in a debate than hulk lol but i do stand by this..... I AM A BIGGER HULK FAN slightly

Posted by Lvenger

@bezza: The only reason Doomsday can beat him is because he is basically a walking PIS machine. In short, he can't be killed the same way twice. Plus Doomsday has shown to posses superior reflexes to the Hulk. Hulk has no counter for the speed blitz or nanosecond reaction times Superman brings to the table. Take heat vision and freeze breath alongside a much faster and as strong and durable being as the Hulk and I fail to see why Hulk would win.

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@lvenger said:

@bezza: The only reason Doomsday can beat him is because he is basically a walking PIS machine. In short, he can't be killed the same way twice. Plus Doomsday has shown to posses superior reflexes to the Hulk. Hulk has no counter for the speed blitz or nanosecond reaction times Superman brings to the table. Take heat vision and freeze breath alongside a much faster and as strong and durable being as the Hulk and I fail to see why Hulk would win.

I'd agree that Superman Takes the cake 6/10, but hulk can beat him, at least he does has a chance.

Posted by Lvenger

@lvenger said:

@bezza: The only reason Doomsday can beat him is because he is basically a walking PIS machine. In short, he can't be killed the same way twice. Plus Doomsday has shown to posses superior reflexes to the Hulk. Hulk has no counter for the speed blitz or nanosecond reaction times Superman brings to the table. Take heat vision and freeze breath alongside a much faster and as strong and durable being as the Hulk and I fail to see why Hulk would win.

I'd agree that Superman Takes the cake 6/10, but hulk can beat him, at least he does has a chance.

I'd up it to 7 or 8 times out of 10. Regardless of how strong Hulk can get, if he can't hit Superman, there's no use for all that strength. By contrast Superman can hit Hulk many more times than Hulk can hit Superman at the end of the day.

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Posted by WaveMotionCannon

I love the Hulk and while he could put a hurting on Supes , the only way he could come close to beating is if Supes promised not to use his other powers beside strength.

Posted by Bezza

Good responses...but please read the blog again, I'm not saying I think Hulk could beat superman,

I was really explaining why I think its hard for Superman to put down the Hulk. People talk about speed, but forget that Thor is very fast too, with a wide range of powers and abilities, but generally comes off second best in the battles with Hulk. Superman can fly at the speed of light, but does not seem to move as fast as flash in his fights, hence why he gets tagged a fair bit. In the comic I was reading only this month, Orion hit him twice pretty hard, why didn't he duck, if he is so fast? Its easy to underestimate Hulk, but he moves pretty fast (not superman fast admittedly), but fast enough to outrun the gunships in the first Hulk film, can leap miles in one bound, hits very hard, tends to get up when hit hard and has no upper power limit. He also heals quickly so if Superman, say snapped his neck, he would just heal and come back for more. In WWH he saw off some fairly powerful opponents. I just basically don't think its as easy as a lot of DC fans think for Superman to beat him, i.e put him down so he stays down!!

Edited by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones

*sigh* As one of Bruce's biggest fans I have to say, I don't see any scenarios in which he beat Superman, unless Supes losses his speed,heat ray, and a good chunk of his strength.

Edited by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642

@lvenger said:

@bezza: The only reason Doomsday can beat him is because he is basically a walking PIS machine. In short, he can't be killed the same way twice. Plus Doomsday has shown to posses superior reflexes to the Hulk. Hulk has no counter for the speed blitz or nanosecond reaction times Superman brings to the table. Take heat vision and freeze breath alongside a much faster and as strong and durable being as the Hulk and I fail to see why Hulk would win.

I'd agree that Superman Takes the cake 6/10, but hulk can beat him, at least he does has a chance.

agree with this completely

Posted by Strongarm

Let me explain like you are five, superman is faster and already is stronger. Hulk needs time to catch up, superman can beat him before that happens.

Posted by kgb725

The only advantage superman has is speed

Posted by kasino

it's reasonable to think Hulk could take Supes. The premise is that the madder the Hulk gets the stronger he is. Eventually passing the strength level of Supes. World War Hulk is the strongest incarnation(I believe World Breaker is What If?, and if counted isn't he infused by Galactus) and he really didn't do much. Thor wasn't there and Black Bolt was a clone. The defeat of demon possessed Dr. Strange and stalemating Sentry however are pretty massive.

I just haven't seen Hulk be strong enough to take on Superman.

Posted by reaverlation

Superman 7-10/10

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Posted by JediXMan

Why was this even bumped?

@kgb725 said:

The only advantage superman has is speed

Nope. Aside from the shallow "Hulk can just grow stronger" argument (which still doesn't work in the long run), base Superman is already well above Hulk in raw strength. See his ability to benchpress Earth's mass.

Posted by JediXMan
@kasino said:

it's reasonable to think Hulk could take Supes. The premise is that the madder the Hulk gets the stronger he is. Eventually passing the strength level of Supes. World War Hulk is the strongest incarnation(I believe World Breaker is What If?, and if counted isn't he infused by Galactus) and he really didn't do much. Thor wasn't there and Black Bolt was a clone. The defeat of demon possessed Dr. Strange and stalemating Sentry however are pretty massive.

I just haven't seen Hulk be strong enough to take on Superman.

He didn't really beat Strange. Strange was literally stomping Hulk during the entire fight. However, he did not have it in him to "give himself over" to that power, because the raw destructive force was harming innocent civilians. He stopped to save them, leading to Hulk's eventual victory.

If Strange took that fight seriously, no morals, Hulk wouldn't have gotten up.

Posted by kgb725
Edited by Bezza

Why did this thread get revived? I took a lot of flak after writing it over a year ago. I was just getting back into comics at the time after nearly 30 years away and have to admit after reading a whole load of comics this last year and done a fair bit of research, I have changed my mind anyway!

I'm a fan of both characters, slightly more so Hulk, but both are in my top 5. I've read tons of Hulk and Superman comics this last year to catch up and my view remains that I really do believe Superman can be tagged by Hulk. Heck, I've read enough Superman v Mongul fights to see that Mongul is a brute strength guy like Hulk who can't fly and he manages it. Overall I believe Superman has too wide a range of powers and abilities and takes the majority. BUT, Hulk can beat Superman....

Can we end this one?

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Posted by pikachumonster

Superman travels the fuc*ing galaxy.. Let's not get into

The :

Can hulk tag Supes with his awesome strength?

Posted by JediXMan

Superman travels the fuc*ing galaxy.. Let's not get into

The :

Can hulk tag Supes with his awesome strength?

Which is, at best, comparable to Superman's strength, if not outright inferior.

Hulk's biggest strength is, literally, strength. If that's not enough to win a fight, he will get crushed by somebody who excels in multiple areas - speed, strength, durability, range, versatility, etc.

I'm sorry, but I've never once seen a good argument in favor of Hulk's victory.

Posted by Deadgod

I don't see the point of this thread. This argument over who will win a battle have been done a million times on comic vine & also on other sites from many years & always Superman comes on top due to advantage in multiple areas. I thought by know this would be a common knowledge among comic book readers who will win in the fight.

Posted by kgb725

@jedixman: Its an impressive feat if he was trying to be Mr Universe in a bench pressing competition but I could see hulk doing it and superman is overrated as is

Posted by Lvenger

@bezza: Ask for it to be locked if you don't want it to continue. We do have enough Hulk vs Superman threads on here to last a lifetime of fanboy arguments :P

Posted by DarthAznable

Off topic, how much faster than Supes is good ol Flash?

Posted by AnnoyedImmortalSpirit

Hulk is not just strenght, he is RAGE. He will win if he's angry enough!! but i agree that under normal circumstances Superman wins

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