Another example of how comic readers hate change, lets face it, Supes and WW can share a more "action packed" romantic relationship that he and Lois will never have. I'm not saying Lois isn't a good love interest for Superman, but lets just see how it goes.

And as @world_breaker_elmo pointed out, a lot of the factors that make Supes and Lois relationship great can also seen in his new love interest WW.

As for their comparable natures, what exactly is exclusive to Lois that Diana does not share? Sense of justice? Helping mankind? Caring for others? Standing for what she believes is right? Nothing striking as of yet.

There is nothing Lois has that Diana has not also shown throughout their history with Superman. What Lois cannot do is actually understand the life he leads: The battles, the deaths witnessed firsthand, the camaraderie of fighting side by side, the personal feeling of being different from nearly everyone else on the planet simply by your own nature, or the knowledge that your life will extend far past those of the majority you know. Lois can only view and understand these things from the spectators perspective - the occasional event plots where she is either granted powers or given some tech to use does not make up for this, whereas Diana lives them right beside Clark.

Bored Sarcastic Voice: Oh wait...another person b****ing about SM/WW...pls don't stop. Continue. We totally want to here about how Lois is best thing since sliced f****** bread, and how this is a "terrible" idea. CIN.

@ccraft: That they held hands says that they meet.Entwined fingers - is a hint about love.

@ccraft said:

Another example of how comic readers hate change, lets face it, Supes and WW can share a more "action packed" romantic relationship that he and Lois will never have. I'm not saying Lois isn't a good love interest for Superman, but lets just see how it goes.

And as @world_breaker_elmo pointed out, a lot of the factors that make Supes and Lois relationship great can also seen in his new love interest WW.

As for their comparable natures, what exactly is exclusive to Lois that Diana does not share? Sense of justice? Helping mankind? Caring for others? Standing for what she believes is right? Nothing striking as of yet.

There is nothing Lois has that Diana has not also shown throughout their history with Superman. What Lois cannot do is actually understand the life he leads: The battles, the deaths witnessed firsthand, the camaraderie of fighting side by side, the personal feeling of being different from nearly everyone else on the planet simply by your own nature, or the knowledge that your life will extend far past those of the majority you know. Lois can only view and understand these things from the spectators perspective - the occasional event plots where she is either granted powers or given some tech to use does not make up for this, whereas Diana lives them right beside Clark.

Even though I disagree with all those points, they'd have merit if there was any proof of them happening. But there isn't. The relationship has been an empty vacuum where both characters are written poorly and in a demeaning way. Diana alienates Clark from humanity and contrasting Diana with Clark in a relationship makes her seem like a warring brute when she's much more complex than that. This relationship has hindered rather than helped these characters. The basis for their relationship is "I'm lonely, I'm lonely too, let's hook up for no other reason!"

@lvenger: Tons of relationships are created for different reasons, just because you don't like the "lonely" aspect of why they got together, doesn't mean they shouldn't be together. Usually relationships don't last long because of the "lonely" issue that brought them together, when a couple hooks up for this reason one of them finds it as a mistake that shouldn't have happened. Apparently the writer couldn't come up for a reason why Supes nor WW should feel like it was a mistake for them to be together, and I don't see why they shouldn't.

@ccraft: I don't like the lonely aspect of the relationship because it makes it feel empty and dull. These characters have lacked chemistry or good writing for the entirety of their relationship in the New 52 in contrast to the deep, respectful friendship Pre Flashpoont. There's no passion nor is there any meaning behind their relationship. Superman and Wonder Woman together has not worked and is the clear signs of catering to fanboy shipping of a couple that does not work.

I think the biggest issue with splitting up Superman and Lois up is more a subconscious problem for fans like myself because the Lois and Superman relationship prior to the new 52 kind of showed the state of the DC comics universe. In the Golden Age things were black and white, no grey area so the relationship was simple and straight forward, in the Silver age their relationship became wacky and and slightly psychotic because the Silver age was a wacky and slightly psychotic time for the DCU, In the Bronze Age it was a bit hard to define, which can actually be said for that whole era. Post Crisis, it started shaky but ended up stable in the long run just like the DCU, so now post New 52 people can't use Lois and Clark as a barometer, they might not even know they were using them as one so to older fans it just feels like something is missing.

@lvenger: Well Supes/WW is only 3 issues in, and I've only gotten the first issue, so I don't know how much progress their relationship has developed. My guess is it hasn't developed much, it still needs more time.

Interesting assumption, maybe they're not in love yet.

@ccraft: If you're new to the relationship then it's important to know that it started last year. Last July if I remember correctly. It's been the status quo for a year and not much has been done with it.

@world_breaker_elmo said:

@beautifultemptress said:

Reasons.
1. Love. Pointless denying that Clark in love with her. In past issues of the comic, he began to be jealous of Lois to her boyfriend.Jealous it means love.And uttered the phrase Lois, that clear gives to understand that feelings of Clark is not unreciprocated.
2. They are soul mates.
3. They have the same worldview. Both are fighting for justice.
4. She rescues and protects him. Lois Lane is typically portrayed as one of Superman’s biggest allies. When Metropolis is curious about him and when that curiosity sometimes turns into distrust, Lois is often the one whose gut instinct and passion gets Superman’s attention, and together they help create a more hospitable environment for Superman. In the DCnU, the same holds true—Lois believes in Superman, defends him, and ultimately names and introduces him to the public.
5. Lois makes Superman better. She humanizes him.

1. and 2. are basically the same point.

"The nosey human who always needs saving, falling in love with the alien mystery man" always seems so forced. To me someone like Wonder Woman would be a much more natural choice: both consider themselves outsiders amongst humanity, both strive to be a symbol for protection and justice, both can share the same extended lifespan, both actually lead the same life of heroics, etc.

I am not necessarily a fan of Wonder Woman being paired with Supes - relationships in comics are of little interest to me, but just the constant pushing of Lois and Superman together feels tiresome and needless.

3. and 4. can also be applied to Wonder Woman, Batman, and many other heroes.

As for 5. I would argue that the Kents would be the main humanizing factors in his life.

Please don't take this as me trashing Lois Lane. If you are a fan of hers, cool, but I just never cared for her being forced into such a large role in the universe due to her simply being the clingy girlfriend to Superman.

This i agree with. Dont put Lois and Clark back together

@lvenger said:

It might have started last year, but DC haven't really did anything with the relationship. Mainly it was a secret between them until Batman found out. But whats to say that the Supes/WW series won't further the development of their relationship.

Either of you read the 3rd issue of SM/WW? It's particularly relevant to what the two of you have been saying...

@wishiwassuperman: No I haven't, but I want to, I haven't gotten comics in a few months :(

How was it?

I agree that they should be together, as much as I love Diana they just arent ment for eachother.

But I wouldnt worry, it will happen soon enough - let the DC boys play around with new ideas for a while!

Blasphemy! :P

Very good. There's this great dialogue between Bruce and Clark that not only gives the type of dynamic to their relationship that I personally like, but insights into the Clark/Diana thing which I think are great and show a very different tactic for the writers in forming and working with that relationship.

@lvenger commented about how "Diana alienates Clark from humanity" - however this dialogue and some of the surrounding scenes focused on her show this is about Clark humanising Diana instead, just like the previous dynamic of Lois humanising Clark himself in the old relationship. It's about him being the bridge for her, to show her humanity and make her open to it. I'm not explaining it the best but the way it was done I thought was really good and has made me like the series and the over-all idea of the relationship even more

@wishiwassuperman: I read a preview of that issue where Supes was on the moon talking to Bats, was that the part you were talking about?

I really need to catch up soon, the first issue was great, and Tony Daniels is one of my favorite artists.

Hehe, sadly it seems to be a common attitude. :) I figure after a hundred years of Superman its okay to test new things, usually they go back to the way they were eventually unless people really like it. I feel like the whole Superman / Wonder Woman thing is a way to ease in new readers that came with the New 52 as well, since its often just assumed by non comic book readers that the two biggest icons would date.

That's the scene. Not sure what the preview showed - but there was panels with Diana, and it relates to what happened in #2 as well... The entire issue though was very good

As long as he leaves wonder woman, its cool. And no, I am not of the ones who want to pair her up with batman.

@sog7dc: you said:

"Ugh another complaint about the supes/WW relationship....look we ALL know that eventually supes will end up with boring old Lois so why can't you just let the people (like me) who enjoy the supes/WW love affair have our fun? And btw they have been together for like 8 decades idk why it's so frustrating that he's with another woman for once"

You lost a lot of my respect with this post. Lol

@wishiwassuperman: Are you referring to the preview? Because I have read that bit and it came off as very dull writing IMO. Batman was particularly OOC in his helping Superman feel better speech. That just didn't sound like Batman. And as for Diana needing to be humanised, I have to oppose that idea being any strong basis for Superman being in a relationship with Diana. Look at that ridiculous scene where Diana says to Superman that they can make the world a better place by force. Not only does that make Diana look like a heartless wench, it puts Superman in a bad place to be in a relationship with someone who says those things. The developments have felt forced and contrived thus far and this issue doesn't do anything new to change that at all. Why it's getting such good praise on here I have no idea.

@lvenger: my only reply to that is to read the issue, not just a preview. Then again, everyone is different so perhaps it wouldn't be your thing. Personally I really enjoyed it, and the depiction of Bruce and Clark's friendship which has been in need of development IMO.

@lvenger: I just read the preview (which contained majority of what I had referred to) and I gotta admit, I don't see what you see.

@wishiwassuperman: Pak's first 3 issues of Superman/Batman along with Batman's guest appearance in Morrison's AC run do more for developing their friendship than a buddy talk in this issue. And given that I'm hugely against the Superman/Wonder Woman pairing, I think I'll have to pass on buying it lol.

First of all reason 5 is just wrong. Superman is as human as you can get.

That is the point. Lets give to Clark and Diana their time since their relationship will NOT last forever, but while it lasts lets try to enjoy it. The new 52 was made to try new things, and while this concept may not be esactly new their relationship has never been truly developed in the old continuity.

Totally agree with you.

Wrong?What in your opinion is wrong?