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@ImmortalOne said:

2. Black Adam vs Gladiator

He's faster, stronger, and more durable. Plus, he doesn't hold back.

While I Agree with the result, BA isn't faster. A fully confident Gladiator who is capable of speed approaching the speed of light would be much faster than BA who can do just over half that. BA's prime advantage is and always has been his far greater Durability. His strength, and his durability is greater than Captain Marvel or Superman, but he is very much the inferior in speed and stamina.

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First let me reiterate I'm not saying Thor wins, never was. I'm saying ( and have always believed) that a Superman Thor fight can be argued either way depending on the flow of the battle and the mindset of the combatants .

1. The Boy Scout in Superman almost never brings out his speed until or unless he's facing an opponent who has proven to be a threat that his other powers can't handle. Even in the SA this was the case.

2. The Noble warrior in Thor is the same with Mjilnor. He never taps into this almost endless bag of tricks until he believes it "honorable" to do so. Against Hulk who is only a brick to equal or slightly greater level he will only ever use his strength and physical attributes because that is the honorable way to fight. He does however call on Mjilnor when faced with opponents of a wider variety of powersets like Superman. For example Silver Surfer.

Let's not forget the vastly more varied abilities Mjilnor brings to the battle. I've seen it used in Avenger much like GL ring creating an energy field to safely carry team mates who can't fly or survive space into battle or to safety. I've seen it used to create force fields, create vortex's to other places, Absorb and use almost any type of energy, Time manipulate and stop, transmute objects, undo magic, even caste minor spells. All this is without it's normal everyday control weather shtick. The ones I've done it incident I'll grant Thor has only done once or trice so are very unlikely in a battle. The others however IMO he has called on fairly consistently throughout his printed history. All would be valid attacks or defenses against Superman and I would say his use of mjilnor to do all those not in incident are used by Thor ( as a whole) more often than Superman uses his speed to blitz. What I'm saying is the consistency argument for me equally sits for both because overall the types of attacks he could use from Mjilnor that would be effective against superman are every bit as consistent as Superman using speed because he does call on one of them as often if not more so.

Superman really only pulls out his speed if there is a great threat that needs to be dealt with quickly to save many, or he is faced with someone who is his match in every other respect and he needs it to make the difference. Thor as i said calls on Mjilnor only when his honor considers it appropriate. Against a being of physical powers of strength and durability he would not so but just like Superman will call on the wider array of Mjilnor's power when faced with an opponent of wider range of powers. The way i see it Superman is such an opponent with his heat vision, freeze breath etc. Let's also not forget that even if Supe's "blitzes" he's not necessarily putting Thor down quickly. If you believe that then you've sorely underestimated Thor's durability. This is the guy who took a full power cosmic blast from Silver Surfer and kept battling even though he had a gaping wound in his gut from the source tree prior to battle. There is nothing in he history he hasn't endured and fought through. A speed blitz wont end the battle and win the day, it will require a maintained blitz for quite a while of very high intensity.

The way I see it it always comes down to who calls on those powers first and how intensively they do. If Superman calls on his speed first and does so intensively maintaining it with full force assaults until he wins he takes the match, if Thor calls upon the power of Mjilnor and say absorbs Superman's energy or puts a force field around him and continues to assault him with everything he has than he does.

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#3  Edited By beatboks1

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@ThunderGodsWrath:

I've been seeing plenty of CaV threads of yours lately.

Want to take Thor head to head to Ultra-Humanite ?

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Can we have this with a little prep? Hour or 2 only, giving a day or days prep would make it unfair against you. Just enough time to make a stratey snd gather devices already in possession of.

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@CadenceV2:

Really?! Classic Thor resisted Moondragon pretty easy and i wouldn't put Ultra much above her.

I figured I was going to need prep in the set up to make this one a battle.

I know I took on the outsiders in the CaV with strafe but it never even got any votes ( hint hint). PLus in the other Thor vs Ultra thread only one disagree ed with me

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@CadenceV2: I wouldn't say he's phoenix level PSI based on what I've heard of her ( but then again I've never seen much of Phoenix. Let's just wait and see wait jeanroygrant says to Thor v him first shall we?

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@beatboks1: Um Pre Flashpoint Superman does speedblitz in character. A lot. Granted he gets tagged far too often than he should but under the confines of the conditions of the battle forums without plot to guide a fight's outcome Superman's speedblitz does trump Thor's typical in character attitude to not use wind of a thousand worlds or other attacks unless facing cosmic entities or skyfather level entities. Agreed on the Orion vs Hercules point though.

Respectfully Superman rarely in character applies his full speed out of the gate at all. He generally only uses it when he has discovered that an opponent in power is on fairly equal footing to him. In a random encounter he's not going to do so here.

Thor like wise doesn't in character use the powers of Mjilnor to their fullest ability. If he did so he could just as easily drain Superman of some or all of his solar energ store, effectively reducing his power. He could shrink Superman to a smaller being and encase him in a mystical inescapable force field has Classic Thor did to King Hyperion. That's not counting BFR with the creation of portals, Godbalst and many more. You gave a list of characters that in tour opinion could beat Superman. The two Marvel characters on it both can and have been beate by Thor, so why such a hard line.

  • Silver Surfer
  • Dr Strange
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@ThunderGodsWrath:

I've been seeing plenty of CaV threads of yours lately.

Want to take Thor head to head to Ultra-Humanite ?

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@comic_book_fan said:

superman beats thor gladiator beats black adam hercules beats orion and king hyperion beats captain marvel.

Not questioning battles one two and three. All are an either or situation depending on how the battle plays out.

Thor Can beat Superman if he uses teh full power and energy manip of Mjilnor that he has at his disposal that he normally in character doesn't. Superman can win if he speed blitz's which again in character he doesn't

A full confidence Glad's can take BA but otherwise he goes down

King Hyperion will take the majority over Cap Marvel unless Cap uses that vaulted wisdom of Solomon that he only ever seems to pull out for PIS wins

It's the Herc vs Orion I have a problem with. Physically they might be matches in strength and durability but Orion can generate some major energy from the astro force, plus all the powers of the mother box and his beserker strength ( that is like Hulk- get's madder get's stronger )

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@floopay I'll take the votes anyways I can gets them :)

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@KINGJAMES447:

Master order is the embodiment one all order in the marvel universe.

Nabu is one of about 50 or more Lords of Order who aren't in fact "ALL" of the order in the universe.

Mordru is the same for Chaos.

There is absolutely and utterly no comparison what so ever.

Odin is universal power not planet level.

At their peak Nabu and Mordru are equal to Odin, because that is what the Lords of Order and Chaos in the DCU are. All the ancient god's are Lords of Order or Chaos who appeared to man to increase their power from man's worship.

Totec the Aztec god of war is a Lord of Chaos, as is Anubis the Egyptian god, Armon Ra and so many others are Lords of Order. Shazam get's his power from the god's he does because they are Lords of Order. If you don't know something don't just make it up.

Mordru and Nabu can only contend on that level because they can draw power from those they fight and amp themselves. if they didn't they would not even be close. Nabu has lost in mystical battle to mortal wizards and so has Mordru.