- All Star Squadrom
- Infinity Inc
- Doom Patrol
- Mighty Crusaders
- Babylon 5
- Blakes 7
- I was on wharehouse 13 but behind a series
green lantern vs
Martian manhunter vs normal no telepathy
Atom Smasher is onyljust and only because of his ability to alter his mass and density (i.e become intangible or super dense and later his mass to be a LOT more to add strike power to his 70/80 ton strength.
I'd allow the Martian Telepathy personally for a fair fight. Alan has been taken by TP but he has also resisted strong TP. Comes down to will and drive so can be argued both ways.
If story isnt show us Obvious difference and even it's just same superman,how can said it's GA superman?oh,thank s,that very clear because since 1950 until 1956s there isnt have two different superman in story,you just Ignore the story
Actually I told you Superboy first appeared in 1945. In More Fun comics 101 what we see 9aside from the new origin that shows his starting his hero career as a boy) is the debut of an 8 to 10 year old boy. Assuming that he finally takes on the name Superman at 18 to 20 that would mean that Silver age Super finally apears about a decade later in 55 (just like all the rest of the SA characters)
there never have two different superman,they are was SAME superman
You got it. That's what I've been trying to tell you. The stories of Superman from inception in 1938 always flowed as though they were the same character right through into the golden age. They systematically over time increased his power level up until the Silver age. There was no redefining of the character because Superman was National Comics (DC's) iconic persona. He was the ideal all others were modeled off.
They eventually played the angle that the E-2 Superman (i.e Golden Age) built up his powers over time. They even replayed that concept when they launched Powergirl in the S/BA. She like her cousin started off only leaping buildings etc.
Apologies for the derail. head officially pulled in.
@beatboks1: If SA superman first appearance is from 1945s,then GA superman isnt have high level feats,that's all,because superman get crazy feats is from 1949s,he move a planet and blow out a star
You are moronic. Superman hand high level feats (including going far faster than speed of light and stopping a massive comet) as early as 44 which I've already shown and he had a lot more than that before 1949. I also stated in the post that you choose to ignore the context of that there were still stories post 48 that referenced things like the Daily Star (his first employer) all after Superman 53. Oh but that's OK by your rationale they are still SA because oh that's just how it is. Ignore the statements of DC editorial, of almost every wiki in the world (including DC's own)
There's no clear beginning of this era, as stories followed continuously after the previous era, the Golden Age. In retrospect, however, the stories were retconned so that all stories from the Golden Age took place in a separate universe from those of the Silver Age. Golden Age stories became Earth-Two and Silver Age stories took place in Earth-One.
I mean what would DC know about it's own characters. What would it's editor in chief know when interviewed for a publication. He only sets the policy that his writers have to follow.
@beatboks1: Look,all your point isnt convince me,because no matter what writer said,Since superman 53 until Silver age coming,the story it's was coherent and it's was same superman,not two different superman, but from I read since superman 53(a new oringin)until 1956s coming,there isnt show us completely significantly different,can you show me what is sa superman first comic book?I mean?
Last reply only because i don't like have false words put in my mouth.
No, though they did incorporate much of the stories of that era into the history of SA Supes. But then they also redid many of the older stories again for the SA. For example in Action 60 Lois became "Superwoman" in her dreams after dreaming she had been given a blood transfusion by Superman. In the silver age it happened without being a dream sequence.
I never said they were two different Supermen. READ what your responding to, you do it all the time. The issues from 1949 TO 1954 are and have been referenced in the history of BOTH earth 2 and earth 1 Superman. It's simply a shared part of their published history. Now the Superboy tales of that era are a completely different story. The fact remains that those tails are still the Golden Age Superman. There wasn't even a plan to relaunch or start things over at that point and this has been confirmed in several non fictional publications that have interviewed writers creators and editorial teams like All In color for a dime.
That's what I said my Exact words (don't misquote people it's impolite). Never mentioned a time frame or year that SA started. I even said (more than twice) that some of the tales are referenced as historically relevant (in comics) for BOTH versions. When a story is referenced as having been a part of the history of a character or version of the character you take that tale as being part of that version. More of the stories told between 48 and 53 are referred to in the history of the E2 Superman in All Star Comics, Adventure and their cross overs in JLA plus others than there are for E1 Supes.
If you want the first appearance of SA Superman that would be More Fun Comics 101 (or maybe 102) the first appearance of Superboy. Now that was 1945 either Feb or march. There were however still plenty of GA stories after that of Superman. That issue BTW started out with the retelling of the rocket story of his father Jor-el so was also his origin, since GA supes was never Superboy. That's where his origin and his story starts. At the same time the character was still in the employ of the Daily star not the Daily planet etc etc in other stories so was still very much the GA one as a man.
Too many unknowns
1. Which body is Brainiac in. he's had bodies that he physically enhanced to be Superman level.
2. Which power set does he have ( MIlton Fine and TP/TK, tenticaled head with technopathy and control of war world,
3. What devices does he bring, shields, energy manipulators, matter manipulators, time control devices, telelporters etc.
4. Starting distance, is it random or prep.
Read it and tell me this is TWO DIFFERENT superman?you really let me WTF
Gramatically this really makes no sense. I've already told you that it ISN'T two different Superman. that interviews with DC editorial leaders have always said that they incorporated many of the back stories from the GA superman into the SA one. This was even confirmed in letters pages back in the day.
No,you still silly
1,Show me what is SA superman origin and his first appearance,if SA superman first appearance is from 1956s,here
Well clearly it's NOT the issue you think it is because that origin story doesn't even hold true with the most miniscule aspects of the SA superman and doesn't support everything about him that is different from the GA one. So again I ask please show me how you could possibly by any stretch of the imagination believe this is the origin for the SA version of the character when it would be 90% wrong ???
So,the GA is from 30s and ended in the LATE 40S,or END 50s,both was right,except SA superman is crazy powerful,GA superman is not,that was most of people to know what different of they are
Since superman 053,that was a New origin,yes,I know this was contradiction because its like a GA superman origin stroy,but if you check it from 53 until 1956s(silver age coming) in the story there never show us two different superman,check it,and tell me 1956s(superman 102) and 1955s(superman 101) was two different superman in panel?I mean,come on,Or superboy first apperarance http://www.comicvine.com/superboy-1-superman-what-were-you-like-when-you-we/4000-115916/
All this simply proves how much you DON'T know about Golden Age Superman. So by your reconning because he was crazy powerful it has to be SA. In that case the SA Superman started more like 1944/5 which was when he began having feats at the level of the Silver Age version. So GA superman was until the late 40's huh. next you'll be telling me that all these feats from Action comics up to #80 (published in January 1945 no where near "late" 40's that show feats at the level of SA Superman are also SA.
One of those scans from Action 80 where Supes faced Mxy he flew with enough speed to create a vacuum and suck the tidal wave Mxy creazted back out to sea.
Then there is these from 45/6/ ( all two years before when you think it had to be SA superman)
So far that only takes us to action comics #100 or September 1946. How are these a different superman?
check them and tell me what you found
I don't have to check anything because i've read and have Copies of most. As you'll have seen now his feats were that high long before that. Hell he could move so fast in 45 he could alter the vibration of things so the slight waves they gave off were different colors and create illusions. Yeah he must have been Silver age Superman in 45. Oh the the reason why they say late 40's as the end of the Golden age had to do with sales numbers. Most of the mysterymen characters that were the heroes of the GA stopped appearing by 46 with only a few exceptions (like core JSAers Alan Scot, Jay Garrick etc) who stopped in about 48. Superman, WW, Batman, Wildcat, Zatarra and a few others were the exception for national Comics. Black Hood was the exception for MLJ, Spy smasher for Fawcett
I'm done because you haven't got a clue what your talking about and I couldn't be bothered loading any more scans (which I could quite easily do, my Golden age collection is quite good). your whole argument is that it has to be SA superman from Superman 53 on because around then he was SA levels, but he'd been at those levels for about 4 years by then. The logic is the craziest thing I've ever heard because you ask us to accept that story as the origin of the SA version even though it tells a completely wrong version of that versions his origin . Why does there have to be an origin story for it to start. MOST of the characters in the GA and almost half in the SA didn't get one until well after their debut.
@beatboks1: No,only superman,I dont care other people,SA superman first appearance and origin is never show us,only in the superman 53 dc show us a superman new origin,you or other guy would be never found a SA superman orgin in 1956s later,and if since superman 053 is not SA superman,that would be more strange,because When I read them(of course i READ) from superman 53 until 1956s coming,in the stroy is was same superman,not two different superman,and you call before 1956s(1948-1955) is GA superman?WTF?
Your over fiocused on this and it's silly.
1. Issue 53 was vertually a complete retelling of his original origin unaltered.
2. In that Origin he still debuted as an adult (where SA Supermandebuted as Superboy)
3. In that origin in Superman 53 we still see Clark at his fatehr Johnathon's death bed AFTER his mothers death yet SA Superman Johnathon saw his son as the hero before dying and his mother survived him.
That's from Superman 53, the origin tale. Which was nothing more than a retelling on the 10th anniversary of the character.
I fail to see how anyone can claim that Superman 53 is the origin of the Silver Age Superman when the vast majority of the story doesn't hold true with the history of the Silver age character. But you continue along in your delusion.
Please explain to me how this can be the same Superman who existed as a Superboy in Smallville. Was a member of the Legion of Superheros. Had his parents survive well into his Superman career, and his mother Survived his father not the other way around. It just doesn't hold up for me I'm afraid.
Use your keyboard!
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