beatboks1

None of those listed here are remotely BA level. MCU Stark can most definitely take wins against (maybe not a majority) vs

Shazam who's on screen feats are <<<<< BA's

WW due primarily to anti feats of WW84

Flash pre his current movie, pre Snydercut Stark easily wins duentonjobber trip, wrong direction, inexperienced in fighting.

AM do you need reminding how he performed vs Black Manta? Manta's armor was way below Tony's mark II Armor let alone the later one's.

JL is a huge stretch but I suppose if he summoned all the armorsnhe did in one of the IM stand alones he could take 1or 2/10 if absolutely everything went right (and I'm assuming thisbis without SM in the lineup )

Black Adam's dursbility, Attack Potency, combat reactions, power, strength are all way above anyone on the list. Just speed is above anyone but Flash (and before you say it dodging likenFlashbdid supesbbarely- isn't equal combat reaction to turning a missile fired at you to take out another adversary definitely is so any missiles Stark fires are likely striking his own armor)

This definitely should be locked

@atrocitus001:

Claw or Horus isn't standard gear. It's only with the claw that HM can go " toe to toe" with Superman etc.

His standard mace is only a very low percentage of Nth metal (like 5% in the alloy) like most the rest of his fear, which was why Black Adam could crush it. It strikes with decent force but nothing on the level that could KO Simon. The claw on the other handbis the largest purist piece of Nth that exists. That's why it "hits with the force of a planet".

WM wins this, the healing factor provided by Nth will allow HM to hang with him for a while but he will eventually loose like he did to BA in Black Reign (most of that fight was represented in the fight between HM and BA in BAs movie except HM was a lot less damaged at the end than he was in the comics.

The biggest issue with this discussion is the allowed feats. It allows for too many versions of these characters.

In the case of Aquaman alone post allows for standard Aquaman ,water bearer, water hand, trident of Neptune, Arthur and Orin. An Aquaman who's a physical powerhouse and one who's the son of an Atlantean wizard who has access to great magic. That is without adding Nu52 and Rebirth.

Dianna has the standard Amazon powers as well as the era post crisis she was gifted by the goddess of the earth Gaea and had enhanced healing. Then you add things like godd mode, goddess of war erc with Nu52 and Rebirth

As a standard post crisis both have super strength, speed, endurance, and durability. Arthur has the standard better piercing durability and healing while Dianna has the better speed and blunt force that is aided by.her bracelets for piercing. When you add gifts of Gaea she had better healing. But then water hand gave Arthur much better healing. Arthur has TP that Dianna doesn't (while pre crisis she did). Even when Dianna did have telepathy it wasnt something she could use in combat while Arthur certainly can and has. He has used it to give opponents siezures, shut down their bodies, as a warning of attack (literally detected the intent of attacks and caught things thrown at him from behind and dodged snipers). Water hand gives Arthur teleportation/portals, ability to heal others, water bending, and the ability to counter magic. The trident of Neptune gave him water bending, weather control, force fields. This is without any of the many post 52 tridents that also have abilities.

Nu52 adds flight to Dianna and lightning. Everything else is just an enhancement of stats.

So on purely versatility it goes to Arthur due to TP, water bending (which various versions have), anti magic, portals, and that's without enhanced senses that allow him to sea and hear in the deepest Darkest parts of the ocean.

@warrior8411:

yes it does.

There are several gods that the power of Shazam comes from

Solomon

Hercules

Atlas

Zeus

Achilles

Mercury

Zeus is the only God source of power that wields lightning. It's also confirmed more than once that it's Zeus' lightning that transforms him

WW can summon lightning in the Nu52 and she can summon it in DCEU.

Not to mention in the Shazam 2 after credit scene she uses her lightning thru Shazams staff to bring Billy back and transform him into shazam

Unfair fight.

Wonderwoman wields lightning of Zeus.

Lightning of Zeus activate Shazam transformation.

Diana turns Shazam family and BA into their non powered form and stomps

@darkphantom9895:

Do you know what your talking about?

1. Watching a movie isn't reading

2. Your the one who can't read an original post that states phase 1, which means it excludes any feats that occurred afterward.

Let me slow it down for you.

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The same way we do if a thread was created before certain stories without making a stipulation of version (as forum rules state we take current version). So for example all feats of Nu52, or Rebirth would be irrelivant for a thread started before 2011 that includes a DC comic character.

The simple fact is that when a thread states a certain period feats that happened after that didn't occur as far as the debate in a thread stipulating such.

You need to stop acting moronic. Any feat that occurred after phase is invalid in this thread and irrelivant. It doesn't matter if his reaction was increased by his armor or not (which it was, just like it is in the comics which one does read not watch) because said feats as far as this thread is concerned never ever happened. Just like the neutron star feat for Thor's durability is invalid (and his powers definitely got NO BOOST) as are many of his other High end feats.

Propagating an argument on a false premise after you've been called out on it is one of the most childish actions you can do on a forum. I won't play with someone who acts like a child any more.

This is why many say anything after phase 1 would win. I still think the Avengers can take some wins from phase 1 just not a majority.

@darkphantom9895:

Then you should have no problems using feats from phase 1 instead of later. If you can't your argument is invalid brah. Because the stipulation was made for phase 1, so only those feats can be used brah

Ohh and Brah, it's a huge part of IM thing in the MCU that his various mark armors are improved. Things like nano tech didn't exist in phase 1 for example. His whole interface with the armor changed several times

@darkphantom9895 said:

@allhellkingdox:

iron man reacted to meteors falling from low planetary orbit to the ground in seconds after they zipped past thanos

Thanos can throw his sword faster then carol top flight speed in endgame

Spider-Man can easily dodge tons of automatic gun fire in a small hallway

quicksilver died to PIS he literally statued the avengers who can easily be argued hypersonic to high hypersonic and mjolnir

seeing normal guns in slow mo is not impressive

Didn't you read the OP?

This thread is Phase 1 Avengers, so your feats for phase 3 aren't relevant

I'd like some of whatever your on. DCEU Slade ahasnt got ANY feats. He appeared only in a post credit scene arriving at Luthor's boat.

@frozen: No the film is pretty good. Better than the first IMHO (saw it yesterday). Its also got an audience score of 87 on RT. But there has been zero marketing at all. I only knew it was out because I googled upcoming superhero movies a month ago.

They only spent $125m making it and nothing on marketing. Guess they're hoping to let it limp to a profit

Yet they'll spend millions on a superbowl ad for Ezra Miller Flash. Even BA was only really marketed by the Rocknon his socials