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Four Untraditional Theories on "Death of the Family"

Death of the Typical

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Snyder’s Joker story has been taking the comic world by storm, and everybody is wondering what is going to happen next. The traditional theories hold that some member of the Bat Clan is going to bite the dust, and most of those betting on the forthcoming demise of an ally of the Bat are placing their chips on Alfred talking his final bow.

I would not be surprised if some member of the cast gets offed just because of the media blitz and corresponding sales boost that would no doubt accompany it, but I have to say that I think most of this speculation is off base. Snyder did not call this arc “Death in the Family,” “Death of an Ally,” or “Death of a Friend.” He chose the name “Death of the Family,” and I have faith enough in Snyder’s work to believe that he chose a name which actually fit the story.

If Snyder did choose the story name with care, that begs the question…just how could Joker kill the Bat Family? Even if you killed a patriarch of the family like Alfred or Commissioner Gordon, the family would go on, so what can we expect in the next few issues of Batman?

Considering the amount of people buying Batman each month, I am sure someone somewhere has voiced all these theories, but I have not heard any of them. All these scenarios are based on my own personal musings. I have organized these by starting with the theory I would most like to see come to pass and moving towards those I like less.

Death of a Legacy

What if Joker did not kill the Bat clan directly but rather destroyed the Wayne family legacy?

Joker is claiming to know the identities of Batman and company, but even if he is lying, he still knows exactly where Batman’s crew gets their funding, Bruce Wayne and the Wayne fortune. Batman has always been a character propped up, in part, by his toys, and he has come to rely on them even more than usual more recently. How did Batman defeat the army of talons that attacked the Bat Cave? Did he outsmart them or use crazy ninja skills to beat them? Nope, he jumped in a giant Iron Man type armor and tore them apart piece by piece. I could give a half dozen more examples from the past year alone, but I think you all know that what I say is true.

If Joker could somehow destroy the Wayne fortune, it would send the entire family back into the crime fighting stone age forcing the entire crew to rethink the way they fight crime. No longer would writers have the easy out of adding a piece of previously unheard of tech to defeat a bad guy in the eleventh hour. Bruce Wayne would probably still have some significant money holed away, but if the Bat Family had to get by with a couple million as opposed to untold billions, it would change everything.

Death of Morality

What if Joker killed the family by splitting it into two factions?

We know Joker is planning to hit the family and hit them hard. What if Joker managed to push one member of the family so far that they snapped and crossed the line? What if one of Batman’s children killed the Joker to defend the rest of the family? Batman would have to condemn their action creating a split between the family members that backed the killer and those that opposed him. From that point, it would not take long for a Bat Civil War.

Which of Batman’s children would do such a thing? I cannot see Barbara pulling the trigger. She is probably the most forgiving among the Bat clan. Jason would do it in a heartbeat, but that would not shake the family too much. Tim killed Joker in the DCAU, but that is sort of a different interpretation of the character. Damian already has plenty of blood on his hands, but would one more murder shake the family? Very little. Personally, I would love to see Nightwing do it. Tim and Damian look up to Dick in a big way, and their loyalties would have to be divided if they had to choose sides. Dick would never do such a thing, you say? Remember, Dick allowed Blockbuster to be killed in a similar situation back in the nineties. If backed into a corner where the only way to save the family was to kill Joker, I would not put it past Grayson to pull the trigger.

Death of Integrity

Joker claims to know a secret about Batman which he will no doubt unveil later in the story, but what secret could be so powerful that it would completely unravel the fiber that holds together the Bat Family? How about Batman being a killer?

Hear me out on this one.

I cannot picture Bruce going around secretly killing people now, but I can see it being a dark secret from his early years as Batman. Perhaps when Bruce Wayne returned to Gotham seven years ago, he was not determined to abstain from killing. In the earliest issues of Batman’s appearances in Detective Comics, he is shown dropping criminals off of rooftops to their presumed deaths. What if this was written back into cannon? I can easily see Bruce having killed a villain in a moment of vengeance only to realize the immeasurable suffering he released on the family of the criminal and repent of his actions making a vow never again to take a human life.

If Bruce had been covering up a murder for all these years while insisting on unflinching moral integrity from his protégés, that would shake the family to its core. The Bat Family would be severely strained, and some would likely turn on Bruce. Every member of the Bat clan would have to reevaluate their no kill policy and ask themselves whether they were abiding by it because it was right or because that was how Batman told them to operate. In addition, just think of how ticked Jason would be that Bruce had killed some criminals yet let Joker live.

Death of Denial

Joker claims that his whole motivation for his current series of attacks is because Batman does not really want his family. Batman was stronger when he was alone, and on some level, he wishes his kids were not holding him back. What if Joker was absolutely right?

By the time “Death of the Family” wraps up, Joker will have led a personal attack on every member of the nuclear Bat Family. After all of this concludes and Bruce has felt the emotional weight of fearing for his family every second of the day, what if he decides that Joker, despite his insanity, was right? What if Batman does fight crime better on his own without having to constantly worry about those tugging at his cape? Batman could disband the Family, cut off their access to his systems, and tell everyone else to quit. Would it work? Absolutely not. However, it would require everybody but Batman to change their operations drastically, and DC could tell stories that focused strictly on Batman.

What Do You Expect?

There we have it. Perhaps I am completely wrong, but hopefully you agree that all of these theories are worth considering. I might be doing another “Death of the Family” article before the arc wraps up, but in the meantime, I would like to hear what you think. How do you picture this story ending? What do you expect and what do you want to see?

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@JasonTodd13: Jason is not a murderer, hes an antihero, antiheroes are completely different from criminals and murderers, how many times do i have to tell you this? Jason kills to rid gotham of scum, and thats a good reason to kill criminals, damian however loves killing and has a bloodlust and that makes him a murderer and villain, see the difference yet? I read more than you since you didnt even bother reading Batman: Under the Hood.

@FadeToBlackBolt: & @FadeToBlackBolt: Thank you both for being apart of the DC fans whose comments are not worth reading.

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@FadeToBlackBolt said:

@entropy_aegis: Thank you for being the only (other) DC fan on this site whose comments are worth reading. Bless you.

Your welcome Fade.

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@entropy_aegis: Thank you for being the only (other) DC fan on this site whose comments are worth reading. Bless you. 
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@BatWatch:

Tony Daniel version

@JasonTodd13: By that logic Jason doesn't deserve to live either,and I have read more than you'll ever will.

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@entropy_aegis: Read your facts right, Jason wanted Batman to kill the Joker for unselfish reasons he stated in Under the Hood. You are the worst fanboy as you clearly havent read under the hood, if you did you would know jason bruce to kill the joker and it was for the horrific crimes he committed. You are so obsessed with Damian the worst character in the DC Universe that it makes you insane.

@BatWatch: murderers/criminals dont deserve to live.

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@JasonTodd13 said:

@entropy_aegis: well its true, people who are sick of certain people "Jason" as you said everyone in the bat family was sick off, arent envious if they are sick of the person that doesnt make sense. A person who is envious of another person cant be sick of the same person because being envious and being sick of the same person arent the same thing..

@BatWatch: Damian has tried to kill Jason, a person thats not a criminal.

Jason kills people on a regular basis without a trial. That is a crime. He leads a team called "Outlaws."

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@entropy_aegis: No, shes a thief, she isnt a hero, she just likes flirting with batman thats all, and she did it for herself, her own reasons, killing black mask, her own selfish reasons. Jason knows that people cant stop crime, it can only be controlled in some circumstances like in Gotham also, Jason liked messing with Black Mask, it amused him to see Black Mask get all pissy.

And Jason only wanted to kill the Joker for selfless reasons...either way I'm done.You're one of the worst fanboys I've ever had the displeasure to come across.

You are so ridiculously attached to your character that you even think and talk like him.

Comic Jason Todd does not talk like that.

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@JasonTodd13 said:

@entropy_aegis: No, shes a thief, she isnt a hero, she just likes flirting with batman thats all, and she did it for herself, her own reasons, killing black mask, her own selfish reasons. Jason knows that people cant stop crime, it can only be controlled in some circumstances like in Gotham also, Jason liked messing with Black Mask, it amused him to see Black Mask get all pissy.

And Jason only wanted to kill the Joker for selfless reasons...either way I'm done.You're one of the worst fanboys I've ever had the displeasure to come across.

You are so ridiculously attached to your character that you even think and talk like him.

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@entropy_aegis: No, shes a thief, she isnt a hero, she just likes flirting with batman thats all, and she did it for herself, her own reasons, killing black mask, her own selfish reasons. Jason knows that people cant stop crime, it can only be controlled in some circumstances like in Gotham also, Jason liked messing with Black Mask, it amused him to see Black Mask get all pissy.

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@JasonTodd13 said:

@entropy_aegis: The difference there is that, Jason wanted to kill him for the good of Gotham to throw him out like garbage along with the other scum, whereas Catwoman had the murderous motivation, its the difference between a antihero and a murderer.

Catwoman killed him to avenge her sister,brother in law,to protect her friends AND the people of the East wing.Jason wanted to take over his gangs.

That's a fact for you.

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@entropy_aegis: The difference there is that, Jason wanted to kill him for the good of Gotham to throw him out like garbage along with the other scum, whereas Catwoman had the murderous motivation, its the difference between a antihero and a murderer.

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@JasonTodd13 said:

@entropy_aegis: Catwoman is a murderer she killed black mask, plus he made up the bomb threat to flee with scarlett.

The same Black Mask whom Jason tried to kill? what does that make Jason then?

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@entropy_aegis: Catwoman is a murderer she killed black mask, plus he made up the bomb threat to flee with scarlett.

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@JasonTodd13: Jason tried to kill Catwoman,he also planted bombs on a railway track.

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@entropy_aegis: well its true, people who are sick of certain people "Jason" as you said everyone in the bat family was sick off, arent envious if they are sick of the person that doesnt make sense. A person who is envious of another person cant be sick of the same person because being envious and being sick of the same person arent the same thing..

@BatWatch: Damian has tried to kill Jason, a person thats not a criminal.

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@JasonTodd13 said:

@BatWatch: People no matter how they raised are supposed to know whats right and wrong, Damian knew what he was doing was wrong, but did it anyway out of spite and jealously for Tim, plus he enjoyed beating Tim up.

You still have not explained who Damian has tried to kill since turning from evil.

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Maybe Death of the Family means the batman characters can't have families anymore bec. the Joker will sterilize all of them so none of them can have children.

That...is definitely an untraditional theory I had not considered. I shudder to think how he might make the Bat Family sterile. @ArticulateT said:

Would it be worth assuming that the whole thing is a ploy to force Batman to tell all the other members of the family to go home?

And whatever happened to all the Batman Inc. members?

It is kind of odd that Joker has just ignored Batman Incorporated. Maybe plans will appear for them later, or maybe they are too far removed to really be called family.

I think there is a very good chance that Joker might be trying to get Bats to give up the family either in an attempt to strengthen him or weaken him. @entropy_aegis said:

@colonyofcells said:

Batman's closest family member and only biological family member seems to be his son so Joker's real target is probably the only son Damian and so Damian is probably doomed.

Possible but he wont die in DOTF,he has a central role in Batman Incorporated which will conclude this year so he might die there but not here,and even if he does die it would really mean nothing whatsoever.@JasonTodd13 said:

@entropy_aegis: now you are babbling, there is no one who was envious of Jason, Jason didnt know a lot of people when he was Robin.

No they were just sick of his antics.

I don't know. I think Damian might die in DotF. I hope not, but I find his lack of specific mention in Batman and Robin after the conclusion of DotF suspicious. Two months worth of solicitations, and they don't mention him? Hmmm. Also, Huntress will apparently be suffering from a loss after DotF according to solicitations (though it does not reference DotF, it just happens to occur right after the conclusion), and she has very few ties to anybody in this universe, yet she just happened to have a team up with Damian where she suddenly formed a close relationship with him right after they tried to kill each other. My Batty sense is tingling. Regarding Batman Incorporated, it has not been clear at all when Batman Inc. is taking place in regards to the rest of the universe.

I'm not betting Damian will die, but I would not bet against it.

@colonyofcells said:

Maybe Batman Inc will be set in time before Death of the Family ?

Exactly. Or maybe if they are running concurrently, Damian's role will wrap up before Batman Inc. finishes. Also, if Damian was still featured in the last issue of Batman Incorproated right after he had died, (because Inc. comes first) then that would cause sales for Batman Inc. 12 to soar even more than they would have naturally...like if Damian died in DotF but made a final, bold gesture choosing to be good in Batman Inc. a month later in real time, that would be pretty cool.

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@colonyofcells said:

Maybe Batman Inc will be set in time before Death of the Family ?

Possible,but eh INC ends months after DOTF.@JasonTodd13 said:

@entropy_aegis: youre so dumb that you dont know the meaning on envy, LOL.

Sure thing Jason.

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@entropy_aegis: youre so dumb that you dont know the meaning on envy, LOL.

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Maybe Batman Inc will be set in time before Death of the Family ?

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@colonyofcells said:

Batman's closest family member and only biological family member seems to be his son so Joker's real target is probably the only son Damian and so Damian is probably doomed.

Possible but he wont die in DOTF,he has a central role in Batman Incorporated which will conclude this year so he might die there but not here,and even if he does die it would really mean nothing whatsoever.@JasonTodd13 said:

@entropy_aegis: now you are babbling, there is no one who was envious of Jason, Jason didnt know a lot of people when he was Robin.

No they were just sick of his antics.

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Batman's closest family member and only biological family member seems to be his son so Joker's real target is probably the only son Damian and so Damian is probably doomed.

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@entropy_aegis: now you are babbling, there is no one who was envious of Jason, Jason didnt know a lot of people when he was Robin.

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@JasonTodd13 said:

@entropy_aegis: actually your actually envious that Jason is far better than Damian, deep down you know Damian is the worst character in the Dc universe, you just wont admit it because of your arrogant ego of trying to win an arguement with me you harasser. Clearly your the one who needs mental help.

I'm the envious one? now I know how the Bat family felt when dealing with Jason.

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@entropy_aegis: actually your actually envious that Jason is far better than Damian, deep down you know Damian is the worst character in the Dc universe, you just wont admit it because of your arrogant ego of trying to win an arguement with me you harasser. Clearly your the one who needs mental help.

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Would it be worth assuming that the whole thing is a ploy to force Batman to tell all the other members of the family to go home?

And whatever happened to all the Batman Inc. members?

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@colonyofcells said:

Maybe Death of the Family means the batman characters can't have families anymore bec. the Joker will sterilize all of them so none of them can have children.

Well, good that you're thinking about it, but I don't think this one is all that likely. I mean, Batman already has a son (Damian), and I don't really think it's an ambition for any of the other Bat family members to have children. No, I think the "Death of the Family" will be much more... Immediate.

@entropy_aegis: Yeah... It's quite something. Thanks for the warning.

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Maybe Death of the Family means the batman characters can't have families anymore bec. the Joker will sterilize all of them so none of them can have children.

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@JasonTodd13:If someone needs mental help it's you.

@End_Boss: Dont bother with him,he's just envious of the fact that Damian is a better character and more successful Robin than Jason,funnily enough even his attitude is reminiscent of pre-Flashpoint Jason,always trying to make excuses,contradicting himself etc.

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@End_Boss: I like Jason a lot, its different from an obsession... especially from your obsession with a character that would like to kill everyone if he gets the chance, thats real healthy mate!

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@JasonTodd13: Yeah, definitely me that is obsessed with a character... Sorry about that, Jason.

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@End_Boss: I see that you been to mental hospital. Obsessing over a pathetic character like Damian...

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@JasonTodd13: Oh I see.

You're a crazy person.

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Yes Damian does, his personality suggests and he had smug look on his face when he meets up Batman after beating up tim. he basically has the same philosophy as Ras despite being disown, he probably thinks that he should bomb the planet and keep the people he determines to deserve to live and rules as absolute ruler. Jason kills for different reasons than Damian, he doesnt enjoy it like Damian does, like i said jason wants to punish Batman. Damian liked killing this guy dressed as a Ghost in Batman and Son, he even showed the guys head to Tim.

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@JasonTodd13: Whoa, you misunderstand. I'm not saying that Damian and Jason should be friends, but as far as the treatment of villains go they have the same basic philosophy: they had their choice, made the wrong one and now have to pay the ultimate price. You have this really weird, irrational hatred of Damian based on some faulty concepts. Damian doesn't kill because he enjoys it. I don't know where you ever got that idea. He killed Nobody, yes, but he was hardly in a state to enjoy anything at that point. He killed Nobody because he believed the villain when he told him that he would only come back, again and again for Damian and his family.

Damian is in no way living up to the Al'Ghul legacy. If you had read the comics that featured him, you would have seen this when he is brought to Talia so she can show him the replacement clone she is currently growing, at which point she basically disowns him as "broken" by Batman.

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@End_Boss: no im not, he is basically still living up to the al ghul legacy even though hes no longer welcome with the League. Damian fails at trying to live up to bruces standards because hes stil killing and enjoys it. And no Jason and Damian would not see eye to eye, they dont like each other, Jason doesnt even give a damn about Damian, his beefs are with Bruce, Dick and Tim, Damian is irrelevant to him. Jason kills because he wants to rid Gotham of the scum that lives there and to punish batman by being what batman refuses to become, an antihero whos getting the job done. Damian kills for his own sick bloodlust and enjoyment, Damian is a villain, Jason is an anti hero, so again no, they wont see eye to eye.

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@JasonTodd13: Yeah, you're going a bit far in claiming that Damian is willing to kill innocents. And you can't base an argument on "well, the League probably did this or that," because you don't actually know, and regardless it's already been stated that Damian broke away from that philosophy, and, by all appearances, has been trying to live up to Bruce's expectations (i.e., no killing, with the exception of Nobody, who was far from innocent) since then.

Sorry, but as far as their outlook on killing off criminals, Damian and Jason would see eye-to-eye without question.

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@BatWatch: People no matter how they raised are supposed to know whats right and wrong, Damian knew what he was doing was wrong, but did it anyway out of spite and jealously for Tim, plus he enjoyed beating Tim up.

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@BatWatch: Damian was raised by the league of assassins he probably has been taught, the death of millions of innocent people is nothing compared to the bigger picture of creating a perfect world like Ras has dreamed of. Damian tried to kill Tim in the batcave thats an example of him attacking innocent people.

Damian attacked Tim before he realized killing was wrong. He broke away from the way of assassins. My previous questions still stands.

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@BatWatch: Damian was raised by the league of assassins he probably has been taught, the death of millions of innocent people is nothing compared to the bigger picture of creating a perfect world like Ras has dreamed of. Damian tried to kill Tim in the batcave thats an example of him attacking innocent people.

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@BatWatch: Thanks

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@dondave said:

@JasonTodd13: a quick question, your obviously a fan of Jason Todd, as seen in your username and account picture, he does just as much killing as Damien, so why is he different to you

Excellent question.

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@dondave: Jason is an antihero, he kills scum for the point of getting rid of criminals. Damian however kills because he enjoys it, hes a monster that enjoys the bloodlust hes even willing to kill innocent people.

To my knowledge, Damian has never killed an innocent person. Since he has been taught that killing is wrong, when has he ever even tried?

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@dondave: Jason is an antihero, he kills scum for the point of getting rid of criminals. Damian however kills because he enjoys it, hes a monster that enjoys the bloodlust hes even willing to kill innocent people.

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@JasonTodd13: a quick question, your obviously a fan of Jason Todd, as seen in your username and account picture, he does just as much killing as Damien, so why is he different to you

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Okay. Personally, I'm fine with killing those who hurt innocents, but to each their own. Either way though, he is still interesting.

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@BatWatch: damian is a villain in my book, killing makes him a bad guy, hes unworthy of being a hero.

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@JasonTodd13 said:

@BatWatch: yeah but im talking about heroes, heroes are not suppose to cross the line by murdering people, it has happened but still its wrong to cross the line. Damian is more of a villain than a hero.

Generally speaking, it is considered unheroic to kill, but killing does not make him less interesting. I don't have to like a hero to enjoy seeing him interact with others.

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@BatWatch: yeah but im talking about heroes, heroes are not suppose to cross the line by murdering people, it has happened but still its wrong to cross the line. Damian is more of a villain than a hero.

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@JasonTodd13 said:

@BatWatch: true, but i dont see how anyone could see hes a good character especially since hes a murderer.

Joker kills people, but he is a good character. He is not morally good, but he is good in an interesting way.

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Interesting ideas...

Thanks Poet. I've seen you around a lot, but I don't think we've ever conversed very much.

If you are interested in Batgirl, I just put an article you might enjoy about ways her title could improve on my ComicVine blog and the commentary section of BatWatch. Hope to here more from you.

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Interesting ideas...

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@BatWatch: true, but i dont see how anyone could see hes a good character especially since hes a murderer.

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@JasonTodd13 said:

@BatWatch: its unfortunate that damian is a part of the dc universe, he has no interesting stories and is nothing but a bratty child.

I enjoy him, but to each their own.

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