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#1 Posted by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman said:

@jake_fury said:

@outside_85 said:

WW vs Moon?

This.

This

This

This. It was an AMAZING fight scene and completely blows a lot of these out of the water. I can not wrap my head over some of them getting a mention and not WW vs Moon. Most epic fight I've seen in a while.

#2 Posted by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

Id love love love one =D

The bosses, Poseidon, for example, would be epic....

I'd also want some Legend of Zelda aspects, beautiful graphics and music, sense of wonder and adventure, just serenely navigating a huge river and have Poseidon attack...sequences in boss fights the way we have in Naruto or DBZ or Final Fantasy and many other games, where you press the button on the screen to do awesome stuff, like bust out God Mode (maybe in an Artemis boss fight :D), wrap a lasso around Poseidon, use super-breath and blow various enemies across a forest, use the bracelets to create an awesmoe sonic bang, etc etc (they could improvise moves as well, i suppose, since it's a game) fight various mythological creatures.

It's amazing when you visualise/imagine it in your mind...lol....Sirocca from the one of the latest covers looks awesome too, ghost/ghoul like creatures in dark gritty caves, chasing Hermes, having a ferocious duel with Cheetah.....and so on.....

#3 Edited by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't resist, is not a very good reason. Because we formally ended it. Ended up doing nothing rather than needlessly extending a dead conversation.

#4 Edited by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Couldn't resist.

@Batcrow said:

If the Marvel Universe got rebooted would you wait for the Presence to eat a galaxy to analyse that he's better than Wolverine?

Not really, no. The Presence created the multiverse, that is established fact in any continuity you choose. That is a feat beyond Wolverine's capabilities.

We KNOW Artemis can do better.

Not really, no. There's no reason to assume she can do any better. There's been no indication of that.

But there is no reason why DC would make her fight the League.

She doesn't have to fight the League. She just has to fight someone worth a damn without getting curbstomped. Evidently that is not her strong suit.

Fee Fi Fo Fum

Nice touch.

I'm sorry we ended this long ago, why did you feel the need to say that?

@Immortal777 said:

I agree with you CitizenBane is completely wrong he should have used failed ABC logic like you then he's posts would have been been more appropriate for a debate but instead he uses fact and feats which is just dumb am I right.

That was ONE thing, ONE paragraph, I never said I think Artemis is stronger than Darkseid, she's probably not, but Outside_85 said that you can't just conclude thatwithout concrete evidence., and I agreed. That was just one part of what I was saying, not even my main/basic/entire. argument. This was between me and CitizenBane, I could go without third party snarks.

#5 Edited by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

Being you is so easy. I don;t care. Idiotic logic. Whatever. Seriously, again? I won't even reply. Wow you sure know how to get out of something. You haven't given me much to reply to, half your statements are insults. Want me to call your post idiotic and arrogant?

If the Marvel Universe got rebooted would you wait for the Presence to eat a galaxy to analyse that he's better than Wolverine? We KNOW Artemis can do better. But there is no reason why DC would make her fight the League. No point in waiting. Fee Fi Fo Fum. I am CitizenBane, let me call your posts stupid and annoying.

Disagree with me? I WOULD use better logic but I don't want to dignify you with that. -_-

#6 Edited by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Considering that we have not seen how J'onn's fight with the League meant, it would be erroneous to make that claim. We do not know how long he fought them, whether he fought them successfully or not, whether he managed to defeat any of them during the fight. The fact that J'onn can and has brawled with the League means he's better than Lennox and Hermes, who have done all of nothing.

So we have seen MM fight the League. We've also seen Darkseid fight the League. Are they equal? Artemis never got a chance. She doesn't appear in the JL comics nor is she the main character in WW's book. Does that make her automatically weaker? No. If the Presence never fought Wolverine that doesn't mean he CAN'T. Diana gave Darkseid trouble (yanked him with lasso, stabbed him in eye). Artemis gave Diana trouble (without God Mode). So did Poseidon, Apollo, Hades, Strife, etc. Does that mean Artemis, as well as Poseidon, Apollo, Hades, Strife are more powerful than Darkseid?

Oh of course not, because they havent fought the League -_-

#7 Posted by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Outside_85 said:

@comicdude23 said:

@Outside_85 said:

@comicdude23: What feats? Beating a bunch of featless people?

How is Superman featless?

Oh yes, thats right, he's punched Hal, he's punched Brainiac and jumped up to his ship at this time. That's is feats at this time.

.......have you actually been reading Superman or are you intentionally trolling? Because that is the only impression I am getting right now. His feats at this time are better than just those two things.

Again you apply that rubbish logic...the joke is you.

Mmhmm. Sure.

Artemis has no feats on Darkseid's level whatsoever. Deal with it.

You can't just accuse someone like that. Otherwise I would've accused you of not having read the Wonder Woman series and basing your opinions on scans you've seen on this thread. Don't bother proving you've read it, I don't care, I'm just saying you shouldn't accuse someone like that. Disguising an accusation in the form of a question doesn't make it any more professional. Shouldn't a moderator be here to address this instead of me, or you, for that matter?

He's not necessarily changing the way you feel about Artemis, he might just be saying that it's easy for him to assume.

And yea, you can't just assume Artemis is weaker. She hasn't fought Superman. Ever. I don't know what opinion your teacher gave you about demi gods in school but Greek Mythology should tell you how powerful they can be, and the writer kinda moved the WW mythos and gods power levels, nature, etc closer to the actual mythology. Don't just look at Clash of the Titans and assume you get an A in Greek Mythology.

#8 Posted by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Batcrow said:

@CitizenBane said:

They wouldn't have to assume that she'd lash out at everyone near her. But if you hold her damn sword and demand her to stop, THEN yes you can assume or expect things.

You make it sound like trying to pacify someone by attempting to disarm them and asking them to stop is practically begging for them to hit you. It's not. Unless Wonder Woman was in a completely unreasonable state where she'll hit anyone around, there's no reason to be expecting a kick in the stomach.

Green Lantern confronted her, and so did Superman in a way.

He did no such thing. This is the sum extent of Superman's "confrontation".

Attemp to disarm, request to stop. That's about all it was. There's no indication that he ran in expecting Wonder Woman to be irrational enough that she'd kick him even though he did nothing wrong. Hal may be understandable since he blocked her path and her dialogue suggested that he'd pissed her off in the past as well. Superman, not so much. Even better is the fact that he didn't even get the word "Stop" out, while he was halfway through his request she just up and kicks him.

And if he didn't expect Supergirl to do something in that scenario, then that means he wouldn't be very smart in combat.

See, magic word. It wasn't a combat situation to him. He didn't want to fight her, he wasn't interested in fighting her. Once in a while during their encounter when he actually did feel the need to defend himself, he did so, and easily.

(Though you don't know what he expected or not, you don't speak for his mind.)

You're right; I don't. He does that just fine.

And when Supergirl did hit him, he didn't get knocked back over several feet

Are you joking? She kicked him straight through the Great Wall of China. He went flying back a LOT further than he did when Wonder Woman kicked him.

Seriously, just take a look at his trajectory:

Apollo is actually way stronger than you think. Did you see what happened to that car which tried to hit him.

LMAO, why would you make that claim and then use that example? This is like saying "Superman is way stronger than you think. He once caught a bullet." I'm not sure why you brought up a completely unimpressive feat like wrecking a car. Him beating up Diana is good enough for me as an indicator that he's powerful.

It's not a shortcoming on Wonder Woman's part, it's just that Apollo is that powerful even when he isn't using his full power. They are intended by the writer to be incredibly dangerous and truer to actual mythology (regarding their power).

I never said it was a shortcoming on her part. Merely that it is the only display of her durability to date.......and it is not a very good one at that.

I don't know why you think Superman's punches would affect her the same way Apollo's do, the god of the Sun.

Words do not exist to convey how completely and totally uninterested I am in titles like "god of the sun" and so on.

Even then, she still held a bit of her own and recovered soon enough, considering.

She did no such thing. At the end of the fight she herself made it more than clear that she was only alive because he allowed her to live. If he wanted her dead, he would not have had a problem ending her life.

and you saw what happened to Lennox, another demigod, with ONE punch from a holding back, relaxed Artemis, and Apollo is probably even stronger.

What has Lennox ever done to indicate that beating him up is something worth mentioning? Really, the only way that feat is impressive is if you want to oversell the "demigod" title.

She IS in an unreasonable state. She usually has the best relations out of the entire league with Superman. She's pissed because you're stopping her when the person she cares the most about may be about to lose his life.

Why did he fail to disarm her? Wasn't a request, more like a demand. He was determined, no "pleases" involved.

She appears in very few books, she's normally very friendly with Superman, and it's pretty early in the reboot and so she hasn't been hit by lasers or heat vision yet. If someone would've tried to hit her, she would've blocked it. Something she's been trained to do. So yea, you might have to wait a while.

Apollo never wrecked a car, a car rammed into him out of nowhere, at what looked like full speed and he didn't even budge or feel anything. The car, however, crashed just by making contact with him. So yea, it's not the same. Plus, it's just an example.

But you are discrediting that feat, saying that it wasn't a very good example of her durability. Actually it was a pretty decent one. Surviving that many blows from Apollo himself is no small feat. Especially since she got up soon. Him letting her live just adds to the idea of how powerful he is. That's what the writer wants to tell you. That should tell you that she can take Superman's punches. Lennox survived a huge cannon like blast of heat from a god who embodies/controls the Sun (that's what Lennox has done, plus survive a blast from Hera in issue 5 or 6, take missiles to his body, making a Fury, or whatever those dog women in Hell are called, break her teeth just by biting him), so it must be pretty damn hot. (superman gets his powers from the sun, his heat vision is not hotter than the sun. I don't use the title for no reason) So why can't Diana? Heat vision can't be TOO much of a problem. But this is all we've got at this point, so yea you might have to wait a while. (Though I'm curious why you don't realise that she can block/deflect any sort of heat vision he throws at her, let alone survive)

Plus Diana would have even better chances with God Mode on.

#9 Edited by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

They wouldn't have to assume that she'd lash out at everyone near her. But if you hold her damn sword and demand her to stop, THEN yes you can assume or expect things. Green Lantern confronted her, and so did Superman in a way. I'm not saying if he has to plead or cry, thats completely irrelevant, I said Superman was not pleading or crying that he'd expect Wonder Woman to sit in a corner and listen. Why are you suggesting that I told you Superman should plead or cry. I mean, really?

And if he didn't expect Supergirl to do something in that scenario, then that means he wouldn't be very smart in combat. (Though you don't know what he expected or not, you don't speak for his mind.) And technically he should've blocked her that time too, but yeah, Supergirl was fast enough to hit him without letting him block. And when Supergirl did hit him, he didn't get knocked back over several feet,bleed or say that the pain would hurt him all day. But that's another topic.

And I said that, given how fast Superman is according to you, he technically SHOULD have been able to block her. And he woud've, if he responded fast enough. Why would you CHOOSE, as you say, to let someone hit you that hard. (superman acknowledged and realises her strength from long ago) So I'm still saying he wasn't that much faster otherwise he'd block her. In other words, I said, he should've stopped her if you say it was well within his ability. What's not clear?

Apollo is actually way stronger than you think. Did you see what happened to that car which tried to hit him. The gods have been made ridiculously stronger since the reboot, if you've been keeping up with interviews and reading the book since day 1. It's not a shortcoming on Wonder Woman's part, it's just that Apollo is that powerful even when he isn't using his full power. They are intended by the writer to be incredibly dangerous and truer to actual mythology (regarding their power). I don't know why you think Superman's punches would affect her the same way Apollo's do, the god of the Sun. Even then, she still held a bit of her own and recovered soon enough, considering.

She still survived quite a few blows, and you saw what happened to Lennox, another demigod, with ONE punch from a holding back, relaxed Artemis, and Apollo is probably even stronger.

#10 Posted by Batcrow (232 posts) - - Show Bio

I never gave my thoughts on the matter, it was being discussed and I laid out what Supergirl 12 was saying about the matter.