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#1 Posted by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 3 months, 9 days ago - Show Bio

@mewmdude77 said:

The better explanation for Peter breaking the fourth wall is that Disney made a show a few years ago called the Weekenders. the main character, Tino, would break the fourth wall to explain the situation and tell jokes. Obviously Disney wanted another character like that, so they made Spider-Man, a goofy character who sometimes breaks the fourth wall (not often though), like Tino.

If I recall correctly, wasn't that show a bomb because it was a colossal, steaming, worthless pile of bull****?

Hey, you're right, it does bear a striking resemblance to the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

#2 Posted by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 3 months, 9 days ago - Show Bio

It was always heavily implied that she didn't actually die, but that Norman had arranged for a nurse to smuggle the baby out to him. HOWEVER this was all undone with the OMD and OMIT, where it essentially said that MJ never got pregnant (This was confirmed by Quesada). So no, Marvel will NEVER pick this thread up again I'm afraid to say.

However there was the Spider-Girl series which is an alternate universe story that stars May (She was rescued from Osborn's people by Kaine and returned to Peter and MJ). This is the closest thing to resolution you will receive regarding this plot point. I recommend the series wholeheartedly, it's excellent.

#3 Posted by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 10 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

Warning, There will be spoilers, but if they're relatively recent they'll be prefaced with spoiler warnings.

As I was sorting through some of my comics I came across my section where I store my current ongoing Ultimate Marvel titles (I've purchased the first print of every Ultimate Marvel title, I love it, despite some of its more glaring flaws) and it got me thinking about the Death of Spider-Man story and the subsequent "Fallout: Spider-Man No More" Mini-series and how at the very end it showed Spider-Man and all the heroes who died during Ultimatum (speaking of flaws...) in Valhalla; they'd proven themselves true heroes and got to experience the rewards of being one. After which I reclalled the first story arc in the new Ultimates book (#1-4) where *SPOILERS* Valhalla is destroyed entirely and by extension the souls of Spider-Man and all the other dead heroes *SPOILERS*.

What the hell?! This took away one of the bright sides of Spider-Man's death and the only thing that even remotely redeems the characters lost during Ultimatum, and subsequently that little plot point also showed that the Norse afterlife was a real thing in the Ultimate Marvel Universe (No such thing SEEMS to have been stated regarding it in the main Marvel Universe and up until that note at the end of Fallout no confirmation or denial had been given either way in the Ultimate Universe), meaning that the entire afterlife has been destroyed, along with the souls in them. What happens to dead souls in the Ultimate Universe now?

That's my story about a Big Change that completely ruined other things in the Marvel Comics, what's yours? Many will only show up if you stop and think about them for a while (seeing as how the Ultimates writer didn't take Fallout it into account before writing his story for example, which is a shame because his stuff so far seems to be fairly good), but there's going to be more stories like mine out there, there always is.

#4 Edited by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 11 months, 22 hours ago - Show Bio

I've found a way of better rewriting this with a lot of new and important information. I've deleted the posts so that this isn't bogging up the forums while I work on the new concept. If a mod could delete this thread it would be appreciated.

#5 Edited by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 11 months, 1 day ago - Show Bio

Hello everyone, I’ve been reading the new 52 and I do love it, but with so many major timeline inconsistencies that are obvious even to the layman (Damian having being 10 when Bruce hasn't been Batman for that long, as the simplest example) it’s reached a point where all that DC can really hope to do at this point is perform a major continuity event to clean things up.

I think I may have actually thought of a story explanation that may actually be able to explain every problem caused by this specific reboot, if there’s anything I’ve gotten wrong though I would like it to be pointed out, but overall I think my plan would stick with what has already been established regarding universes and how they operate in the DC multiverse.

By the way, sorry in advance for any grammatical errors, I only did a rush job when I was editing.

The 3 Edited in notes below add more context to what was already written, I've left the original concept unchanged, but the information given in the edits gives what I'm saying a lot more credibility.

EDIT: Doing a little more research I have found that a much better term (one that has already been established) than omniversal time already exists: Hypertime.

EDIT 2: Looking through even more I'm finding a lot of what I'm saying actually correlates with things that already exist (except for the name), for example the realm of the "gods" would be what is already known as "The Bleed" with the universes being spread throughout "The Snowflake" and events like Crisis on Infinite Earths having caused only "partial multiversal collapse". With that said change what I've said about multiverses to multiverse segments, and instead of having the entire multiverse seperated and balled into layers as I proposed before we instead have only one universe that was seperated and balled into layers.

EDIT 3: I'm writing a new version that is cleaned up, shorter and uses all the relevant DC terms to cut down on ramblings I've made whilst attempting to explain thing.

The DCnU timeline compression that was caused/performed by Pandora was imperfect (Hence the Phantom Stranger chastising her in the Justice League #6 back-up), in that although the multiverses were now “whole” again and are sturdier/stronger than ever they have entirely new issues because of her method.

Think of the merged multiverses as having originally been a single sheet of multi-layered tin foil (this analogy will be a running theme for this entire post). The malevolent forces which apparently separated the original multiverses somehow managed to perfectly separate the layers from each other without having damaged the layered multiverses (keeping with the tin-foil analogy they are still perfectly workable multiverses, but weaker than a multi-layered one)(there is no real limit to how many layers there could potentially be, how many made up the previous multiverses, how many make up the DCnU, how many layers there were in the very beginning, what exactly is in a single layer, etc).

Universes, Multiverses, etc, all have their own progression rate (for lack of a better term, although many things make up a progression rate, time among other things), although a universe’s (and by extension the multiverse it is contained in) progression rate can be altered by its inhabitants (e.g. Past time travel stories). A multi-verse is eternal (although its contents are not and can be altered in almost any way, for example the collapse of the multiverse in Crisis on Infinite Earths), though for multiverses to be merged they must be in a synchronized period in overall time (overall time being the combined past time of all universes within a multiverse), many things can cause the overall time to change (Crisis on Infinite Earths would have wound back the overall time of the multiverse drastically for example).

The most relevant way to change a multiverse’s overall time is to time travel as this causes a universe to go into flux. When a universe is in flux it is essentially any and every time period (the time equivalent of a skeleton key) as it is between time periods. With a single universe in flux an entire multiverse is essentially any age and could potentially merge with another, though this would take intervention from some outside power (this is where Pandora comes in).

The conversation between the Phantom Stranger and Pandora reveals that Pandora is not the only one of her kind and that her kind has enemies (for the rest of this post I shall refer to these enemies as “Dark Ones” and Pandora’s kind as “gods”, although gods is in no way a correct term, it will simply be shorthand for them until a more appropriate one is forthcoming), enemies which Pandora and her ilk could not defeat without the assistance of the multiverses. Using the setup I have given and what little we know about Pandora this means that after the multiverses had been separated by the dark ones the gods would have wished to attempt to recombine the multiverses, however merging is an extremely delicate process and takes an extremely long period of time if one does not wish to damage the multiverses (comparing the separation of the multiverses to the merging of multiverses would be like finding a sticker of some variety and peeling it off without it creasing as opposed to attempting to place said sticker back in its exact holder [or whatever you call them] without any 1 millimetre going over any of the edges and without leaving any scuff marks or air bubbles behind). No gods were willing to actively enter the multiverses and cause a chronal event (or collapse event, etc) for fear of being caught in the event and being changed/destroyed. The gods had simply been biding their time for an event within the multiverses to cause their overall times to synch up or a chronal event that would last long enough for a merging attempt (Being outside of the multiverses the gods are outside of the time that applies to multiverses and the changes within the universes within those, they are instead subject to Omniversal time, the two being a one way street in that Omniversal time can affect the multiverses but not the other way around, this is what allows the gods to watch such events unaffected unless they are within the multiverses).

The gods find that the dark ones are going to attack shortly and begin to panic, with no real hope left of a chronal event that would last long enough for them to attempt to properly merge the multiverses Pandora becomes desperate and witnesses the Flash’s time travels (Flashpoint), seizing her chance (this will be where the tinfoil analogy is strongest) Pandora seizes the 3 multiverses (go grab a piece of tinfoil, if it isn’t multi-layered then grab multiple pieces of single layered tinfoil, failing that go grab some toilet paper) and desperately crumples them together (with the tinfoil you’re holding in your hand crumple it up into a tight ball) into a merged multiverse. Although merged and “stronger” than the multiverses would have ever been (stronger in the same way that a tightly balled up piece of tinfoil would be harder to tear than if they were smoothed out and in “out of the dispenser condition”, sure it’ll be harder to tear it and it’ll take more effort to separate the pieces again, but it’s now damaged and has problems, fissures, maybe a tear or two, etc. In other words when she claimed it was strengthening the multiverse it WAS strengthened in some ways, but she’s done more harm than good) it has caused major chronal problems across the newly merged Multiverse (that newly merged multiverse being the DCnU or what DC is apparently calling its “official” name: Prime Earth). These problems being why Pandora is monitoring the main DC universe to see how it is being affected by the change, though she is only watching this particular universe because of all the sections of the multiverse that are shown it is the least damaged by her actions and now, most powerful (one the examples of damage being explained in the next paragraph is that there will be one dominant piece showing in your rolled up tin foil, think of the piece that is shown the most on your ball as the main DC universe).

To explain the chronal problems (those major continuity problems regarding time in the new 52 titles) you look at the balled up piece of tinfoil you have, some of the 3 pieces are showing, lots are missing, if you run your finger along it (in that your finger running forward along the foil is analogous to the story) you find that pieces overlap each other and that there are massive cracks that go in and around inside itself and although out of sight are still there and propping up what is still visible), it’s extremely small compared to how it used to look, etc. You probably see what I’m getting at.

To wind this thing up after explaining all that the dark ones show up, the problems with the multiverse begin to cause everything within (i.e. the DC multiverses) to destroy themselves from the space/time continuum folding in and around itself, the DC heroes and the gods defeat the dark ones and with their last efforts the final remaining heroes cause a chronal event to have the gods repair the multiverse to the way it’s meant to be. Once that story is done DC should actually plan out extremely carefully how they are going to alter things so that the DCnU no longer has such issues and release a compendium that flat out states everything that has changed. They’ve reached a point where there’s little else they can do without just releasing such a compendium.

If you didn’t make it this far I don’t blame you, but for those of you who did, what do you think of this idea? Did you even understand what I was TRYING (and most likely failed) to say? Are there any inconsistencies, be they with DC canon or with the internal logic relevant to this concept?

#6 Posted by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 1 year, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Let me put it this way; I won't be sad when THIS Ultimate Spider-Man dies.

I'll admit I giggled a little bit at some of the cut away gags.

What failed hardest was the god damned annoying scenes where it broke the fourth wall and he spoke to the audience. Made me want to find a way to leap through the screen and slit his throught. Breaking the fourth wall almost never works and it only ever works with jokes, this just made me think he was an annoying tool; it was a WEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAK exposition dump, one of ther weakest I've ever seen.

Also, what was with the damned peanut gallery they saddled him with? It's called "Ultimate Spider-Man", not "Spider-Man and his Gaggle of R******!", we're given an annoying group of jerks (You have no idea how many times I've had to backtrack to remove my swears whilst writing about this abomination) who are wearing the costumes of characters from the Marvel Universes and using their names (Though I'm not sure that the token girl was ever a real character before this cartoon), but it completely ignores everything about them (For example Luke Cage and Iron Fist make no sense because it dumps everything they were about, they're the equivelent of Uncle Ben never being killed. Not to mention that they were all some of the most blatant character stereotypes out there.

To echo sentiments that have been spouted continually since this show came out (by some people in this thread no less):

They cancelled Spectacular Spider-Man for this?

@cattlebattle said:

I don't understand Marvels need to make these alternate, kid friendly version of their characters animated shows, instead of making shows with more serious character driven stories...ya know, like in the comics. I would say that maybe they figure kids won't watch it but I see shows like Avengers, Young Justice, Thundercats and Star Wars doing fine.

THIS. Young Justice for example is another show that's RELATIVELY new and it is downright amazing, it's a hit and it's done almost entirely straightfaced with only the occasional joke, I can buy that these characters are people and likeable people at that, it's captivating and with cartoon adaptions out there this good there is NO place for garbage like this.

The nicest thing I can say about this turkey is that the animation is fantastic, it's just a shame that such talented animators are stuck animating something that is far from worth their time.

#7 Posted by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 1 year, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Death Certificate said:

The issue where Harry Osborn died.

I'm going to have to guess that it was the build-up to and including the issue that made Spectacular Spider-Man #200 great, because the art in that issue was just downright hilarious to me, I'm honestly surprised someone hasn't used a lot of the pictures (especially the ones with Harry in them) to make demotivational posters or something.

The most emotional moment for me was the Ultimate Death of Spider-Man Arc/Final Issue, this is much like what I assume the earlier reader's experience with Harry Osborn's Death was like; it wasn't JUST the journey, it was the tragic destination.

#8 Posted by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@JediXMan:

Yeah, I want to learn how to do it myself. Going to conventions isn't really an option for me, I live in Australia and I live faaaaaaar away from the locations where they're held.

#9 Posted by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

I'm wondering how to learn to properly grade comics and to become certified by CGC or something along those lines. I've done some searches and I haven't been able to come up with anything, so any help you can give me is appreciated.

#10 Posted by Baron_BJ (31 posts) - 1 year, 3 months ago - Show Bio

@theycallmesuperman said:

think about it, it would seem that every time an fan says something marvel goes out their way to do the opposite to us. for example we like comics like Daken, x-23, and moon knight and they cancel them. we ask for not so many crossovers, we get fear itself. and they seem to love to do stuff we hate and tell us we wanted it. they broke up peter and Mary Jane, they kill night crawler, they canceled runaways and depowered almost all the mutants. now i know some of these things happened a while ago so might be kicking a dead horse in the head, but it seems like they are saying give us your cash and will do whatever we want. now its not all bad some good things have come out of it like brand new day, or characters have become more defined like Dani Moonstar i wish she had her powers but she is developing nice. i guess i am just saying consider the fan base. i mean come on x-man had to wait in comic limbo for years before he saw light, but Wendell Vaughn got brought back so fast i didn't even know he died. also why create books like x-static if your going kill them all, one last thing how the heck can ruckus from the nasty boys be powered and Sean Cassidy be dead. im sure others could make better arguments so what do you guys think?

This part of your statement. This is wrong. They were cancelled because people weren't buying them. They may have been excellent series, but clearly most customers didn't care enough to read them.

The complaint about the crossovers/events is true, but they do it for a reason: You buy them. If event comics didn't sell then they wouldn't do so many. Sure, Fear Itself was apparently terrible (There was shipping problems at my local store and I'm missing big portions of the story, so I'm scrounging about for copies on ebay, but I digress), but it was also a sales success, as are almost all crossover event.

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