Ashra

Maybe this ownage will make you feel better.

Please, no.

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The continuity is these X-Movies (particularly with First Class & Origins) is absolutely chaotic and confusing. Probably my biggest issue with these movies in general.

It's like they said, "Eff the two 'C's' - continuity and canon."

Most of the X-Men are disbanded or gone? WTF? SMH in frustration and annoyance.

@Freakologist: Well, it's fine you feel that way, but I was only responding to your particular point about knowing him. You said you 'never knew him' and the point I was making is that that is the whole objective—to know him. As for the rest of your arguments and opinions all I can say is that obviously this is your opinion. There is more than way one of understanding and interpreting those topics if one wishes to. But I figure it's useless to get into them at all as it'll end just becoming a circular conversation and a matter of opinion versus opinion.

@nick_hero22 said:

That was not the full video and based on summaries of the debate and reviews it seemed like Arief Ahemd came out on top.

Ah, I see. I just watched the clip.

@Freakologist said:

I am sick and tired of people telling me that a guy named Jesus died for my sins. Never knew him. They tell me to show some respect in return. Well, why should I? Did I tell him to die for me? Oh wait... how could I? I was not even born at that time! If I have done anything wrong in my life, I'll correct it myself. I don't need anyone to do it for me. I don't like scapegoating anyway.

In response to your point about not knowing him, I respectfully pose that the whole point is to know him. Jesus said, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

You have to begin the process of knowing and understanding him. In the physical, you can't know how wonderful a person is until you get to know them. You have to speak with them, spend time with them, listen to them, understand them, and then closeness and intimacy follows. It's the same spiritually speaking.

It resonates with what Paul the apostle wrote in Philippians: "But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ. And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection....."

No one can ever truly love him or appreciate faith in him, until they've come to know him. That's my 2 cents.

@King Saturn said:

just curious but what do you folks think about the concept of Hell ? do you think it's a real place ? is it the fiery pit where all of the non believers go ? or is it something else ?

I think it's symbolic and figurative, not a literal place. So yes, in a way, I do believe it exists, but not as commonly thought of.

@nick_hero22: I don't see this as apologist ownage , sorry =/ He's not destroying any sort of formal logic here. Maybe because I've heard so much of this, seen so many of these videos, and seen it plastered all over message boards. It's just common atheist critic of God, scripture, and scriptural inerrancy. The classical railing against God, and how we think he should or not have behaved. Theology has answered many of these questions, and it's just a matter of whether or not you find the answer satisfying. Only people predisposed towards one view or other is going to be swayed by this, imo.

@mrdecepticonleader said:

Haven't watched any debates with him in so I cant comment but I will say what Ive seen of debated featuring Hitchens and Dawkins they come out on top,Dawkins describes Hitchens well in the video I posted previously.

My God, then you must rectify this immediately ;)

Dr. Craig is a consummate debater, and he wins nearly all of his debates against atheists. Many atheists themselves admit this. They don't concede he is right, but they concede he wins most of his debates against them. You must YouTube his debates and visit his website http://www.reasonablefaith.org/

That is, if you are interested in the other sides point of view, and enjoy good, rigorous debate.

@ssejllenrad said:

@mrdecepticonleader: @Ashra: It was quite a huge issue last year when Dawkins refused to debate WLC. Some cite cowardice. Others say it's condescension. Dawkins said it was not worth his time and all that... Whatever the reason, I kinda lost some respect for Dawkins. Not that I liked him in the first place. But I just don't like him more now than ever. Hitchens is a classier debater IMO. And Dennet even classier.

I think it's more cowardice, personally. Dr. WLC has dismantled Dawkins' arguments in his book, "The God Delusion" publicly several times. I think he doesn't want to be embarrassed publicly, as that would be quite a blow to him and the New Atheist agenda as Dawkins is their leading spokesperson for atheism. He doesn't want the embarrassment, or to give WLC the platform, as I'm sure it would draw much attention and influence people positively towards theism. Hitchens, to me, was witty, upfront, and bold, which most of his fans liked, but he lacked the expertise, imo. And he was rather nasty in my opinion and I don't have respect for people who, even if they disagree, deride others beliefs.

He definitely wasn't a coward though, unlike Duckin' Dawkins.

This certainly goes both ways.

@mrdecepticonleader: Same can be said for Dr. William Lane Craig. And he's is definitely a lot more qualified to debate these matters than Hitchens, who - no disrespect - was essentially the stereotypical angry atheist. He has successfully debated many atheists of today and owned them. They'll hardly accept his challenges anymore, most notably Dawkins.

@ssejllenrad said:

@Ashra: Craig does not asskick. He pwns. It's almost like asskicking... But with class. The likes of Craig and McGrath and their atheist counterparts Wine, Dennet and Martin pwn. Asskicking is for the hostile bunch. Like that fundamentalist Dinesh D'Souza. Or the anti-theist Dawkins.

Yeah, he's a pretty classy guy. I like him anyway.