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#1  Edited By asafager

I don't know, maybe I'm a snob, but I have to agree with Alan Moore about the issue of the Watchmen movie. Terry Gilliam once asked Alan how he would make the movie, and Alan's response was: "I wouldn't." I think Watchmen was an attempt (and an incredibly successful one) to create a piece of fiction that could only exist as a comic. It could never be novelized, it could never be filmed, it would always and only work as a comic. 

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All-Star Superman was garbage. The movie, of course. They took one of the greatest Superman stories ever told (arguably one of the best comics ever) and sucked all of the fun out of it. Leaving you with a lifeless shell of a movie. The only think I fear about making movies out of classic story lines is an end result like All-Star. Some stories just can't be told visually. Watchmen is the best example. Never should have been done. 
But I do agree that Kingdom Come and Civil War would be amazing films.
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately. It seems that in most comics these days, the issue of protecting a secret identity, or a characters parallel life, are almost entirely null and void. With Batman recently revealing to the world his big secret, Superman walking across the country (yeah, I know it's a crappy storyline) and not even bothering to bring Clark Kent along, Hal Jordan saves the universe on a regular basis in space where no one cares who he is on Earth... And the list goes on. 
I mostly read DC, so I don't have a lot of examples from Marvel, but they are out there. Iron Man ran the world's security force as Tony Stark. Steve Rogers isn't even Cap anymore, and Bucky is on trial for stuff he did before. Fantastic Four have always been out in the open. And so on. 
In the Image-verse, Invincible(the only Image hero book I read)'s identity is technically a secret, but he only seems to interact with people who know all about it. Which leads me to ... 
The point is, it always felt like a major thread in comic plots, and large portions of the characters depth, were tied up in the hero maintaining his/her big secret from the world. But now nobody seems to care anymore. We all want to know about Batman, not Bruce Wayne. A hero has a life all their own, separate from whoever is under the mask, and that part of their life has always proved to be significantly more interesting. So interesting, it seems, that we've left the life under the mask behind almost entirely.
My question is: What does this trend in comics say about our culture today? 
In the book Men of Tomorrow an interesting theory about early superhero comics is presented. It claims that since the early creators of the industry, back in the 30s and 40s, were nearly all Jewish, that the secret identity as a concept was a manifestation of their cultural strife, brought on by World War 2 and the generally anti-semitic American/world populace. The book The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay talked about this idea a lot too. It was common practice for Jews seeking a reputation in the public eye to change their names, playing off as if they weren't really who they were at all. That somehow everyone could be fooled, and they could go on being their true selves in secret. Bob Kane's real name was Bob Kahn. Stan Lee's real name is Stanley Lieber. And this practice was not exclusive to the comic industry. One could make the argument that a lot of people in previous generations sympathized with this mindset, wanting to hide their backgrounds (racial, religious, cultural, personal) from the world at large. Something about this concept rang true with America. The success of the industry speaks to that plainly enough. 
So what makes this generation different? Have things like YouTube and Facebook completely desensitized us to the concept of privacy and secrecy? Are we expected to be great all the time, not just in times of stress and strife? Or do we simply expect greatness from our heroes all the time? 
The resurrection of comics and their characters in popular culture is obvious enough. Superhero movies seem to have replaced action movies all together. With the world falling apart all around us, environmentally, politically, economically, Americans clearly want heroes. But who do we think they are and what do we want from them? And what's different from their origins in the 30s? 
I don't want to start a political discussion here, nor am I looking to do some Jew bashing, but I really am curious to hear other thoughtful opinions on this issue. 
Whoever we are as Americans influences who our comic heroes become on the page. What has changed and why are stories like Civil War so successful and ring so strongly? 
Discuss.... Please.

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@Crymsun: That's good info. Bravo, and thanks, for the research effort.
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#5  Edited By asafager

It's times like this I wish I could get on the phone with Grant Morrison or Geoff Johns and get a straight answer. Even if they just made it up, it would be the right answer, cuz they could just retcon it into existence. Sigh... the woes of a fan.

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And no, "Danger" doesn't count.

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#7  Edited By asafager

Keep in mind that Marvel has been tying all of these Avenger themed movies together. So Black Panther or Namor may not make an appearance in Iron Man 3, but he may show up in one of the Avengers movies, or in one of the various spin-offs. Wasn't Namor a member of the Invaders back in WW2? It all comes together.... hopefully.

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#8  Edited By asafager
Powers by Brian Bendis. An excellent spin on superhero comics, and an awesome noir story all rolled into one.
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@Darth Paul: Humorously enough, DC did make a replica of the X-Men Legends games. It's called Justice League Heroes. It had it's moments, but for the most part, it was an inferior clone.
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@Crom-Cruach: I think the fight between Invincible and Conquest actually stretched over 3 issues. And was also the most epic fight EVER!