Symbiotes: Friends or Foes?

I think symbiotes are not evil, they just reacting to their hosts' emotions. Venom was just reacting to Brock's thoughts and emotions toward Spider-Man when it bonded with him. Carnage reacted to Kasady's desire of kill people, that's exactly what the symbiote done along him. Toxin reacted to Mulligan's desire of protect innocent people, thinking he is cop, that's how became into one few heroic symbiotes on the marvel universe. 
 
The symbiotes are psychic, and can communicate with their hosts if they or their host want. When they bond with a host they gain all its memories, thoughts, and emotions, example: Venom gain the hatred that Eddie Brock felt for Spider-Man when it bonded with him, Carnage became insane when it bonded with Kasady 'cause of his desire to kill, Toxin became a hero when it bonded with Mulligan because he's a police officer. 
 
Many years ago Galactus ate one of the planets where symbiotes were living when they they came to that dimension, fortunately the symbiotes survived but they were left with a trauma that gave origin to the weaknesses against high vibrations and strong heat. The symbiotes are really scared by that, not harmed. 
 
In one point carnage bond with the silver surfer and made him attack people. That's because when a symbiote separates from its host it cleans up the negative emotions but stayed with it's host's memories and thoughts. But  'cause the trauma originate on its ancestors, the carnage symbiote would take more time to completely clean up the negative emotions within it, and when it bonded with silver surfer Kasady's evil desires and emotions were automatically transmitted along with his memories through carnage and take control of both of them. On other hand Kasady's memories could be transmitted to surfer's mind and automatically experienced all his bad life making him react to it and attack people. when silver surfer separate from the symbiote, he forgot all the bad experience he lived when he was bonded with it. That demonstrates if a symbiote bonds with someone that can't control its emotions, and if the symbiote cannot clean-up the negative emotions of a previous host (altogether with the memories) that emotions will take him/her over and will believe is that host once that has experience its memories, and will began to do that the previous host used to do. That same happened to Ben Reilly when he bonded with carnage and Spider-Carnage. 
 
A host can control and communicate with its symbiote when it's calm and can control its mind and emotions. Brock could almost control the venom symbiote because he was nearly calm and could control his emotions. A symbiote can amplify that emotions and desires 10 times. That can turn the host too insane that makes for impossible the symbiote take control of the mind of the host and his emotions and instead that evil emotions take control of both of them.  
  
The symbiotes have no intention to harm people, they just being manipulated by their hosts or any other being who wants to use their power for evil purposes. 
 
The trauma caused by Galactus in the symbiotes make they lose some control of his mind powers. That caused that the symbiotes couldn't purify their hosts' desires and emotions, causing all the madness in that specific group of symbiotes.  
 
Marvel Comics altered some characteristics of the symbiotes to make look bad, and make think people that  that are parasitic and evil and I don't agreed with that.
        
   


      
24 Comments
24 Comments
Posted by jloneblackheart

I thought the Venom symbiote hated Peter for rejecting him.....

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Posted by Toxin45

Yeah it did but it Found Eddie Brock and Mac Gargan duh

Posted by Lyrad

The Symbiotes are survivalists. They are parasites. Their whole existence is to feed off other beings. They adapt to who or what ever they bond with and their environments. 
 
If you are good, your symbiote will be good as it will know to obey your emotions is the key to its survival.  If you are bad (Kletus Cassidy) it will be bad. Toxin and Carnage were new borns, they were both babies when they bonded with their hosts. The Carnage symbiote grew up only knowing hate and murder, being evel is it's nature now. The Toxin symbiote grew up knowing the difference between right and wrong, as it was a child and still learning, you see that it has it's mischeivous side, but overall, I'd class it as a hero because of it's host.
  
Venom is the one exception. The Venom symbiote was classed by it's own species as insane because it wanted to take over it's host completely and control it, instead of bond and combine. This is why it was banished from it's homeworld and ended up on Battleworld, which we all know, is how Peter Parker came accross it. Also, an important factor to remember about Venom is when it met Peter Parker, when it came to Earth, it was already a fully grown symbiote, it new exactly what it was doing and what it's intentions were. 
 
So, friend or foe??   Like any species, it all depends on it's life experiences and what it's host has taught it.
Posted by InnerVenom123
@Lyrad:

Hey wait a sec! I thought the Venom symbiote was deemed insane because it wanted a permanant host, nothing about controlling them, thats what the other symbiotes would do, then they would make the host kill themselves for the adrenaline... or am I sadly mistaken?
Posted by Venom-Hulker_1
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @Lyrad: Hey wait a sec! I thought the Venom symbiote was deemed insane because it wanted a permanant host, nothing about controlling them, thats what the other symbiotes would do, then they would make the host kill themselves for the adrenaline... or am I sadly mistaken? "
The symbiotes  deemed him insane because he wanted help his hosts and keep them alive while the other symbiotes wanted to use their hosts for the adrenaline and kill them.
Posted by War Killer

Depends on who's wearing it... 

Okay (sort of)



 

Bad


 

Posted by Lyrad
@InnerVenom123 said:
"@Lyrad: Hey wait a sec! I thought the Venom symbiote was deemed insane because it wanted a permanant host, nothing about controlling them, thats what the other symbiotes would do, then they would make the host kill themselves for the adrenaline... or am I sadly mistaken? "

No, you are right.  I kinda meant what you said, I just totally worded it wrong.  My mistake, but you are spot on.
Posted by InnerVenom123
@Venom-Hulker_1:
Okay thats what I thought. I don't want my favorite mistunderstood monster to be turned into a "parasite" because technically by all definition it was a symbiote on Pete. It made his powers easier and better, and in return it wanted to drain him a bit.... naturally he freaked out XD
Posted by InnerVenom123
@Lyrad:
No problem man. I hate when they call the Venom symbiote a parasite, its the only memeber of its species that ISN'T. It made Spideys powers better, in exchange, it drained some of his power. It made Eddie stronger and fed on his cancer, in exchange, it took control and went nuts every once in a while. It made Angelo Fortunato stronger.... and then threw him off a building.... wait a second XD XD
Posted by GERALD

Poor Angelo@InnerVenom123 said:

" @Lyrad: No problem man. I hate when they call the Venom symbiote a parasite, its the only memeber of its species that ISN'T. It made Spideys powers better, in exchange, it drained some of his power. It made Eddie stronger and fed on his cancer, in exchange, it took control and went nuts every once in a while. It made Angelo Fortunato stronger.... and then threw him off a building.... wait a second XD XD "
Poor Angelo, lol..
 
The symbiotes seem to have some sense of emotion, but very sharp contrasts. And they're all somewhat childish. Also, I don't think the OP's thoery makes sense because when The Silver Surfer merged with carnage he went around attacking people, but we all know the surfer is good so why would he do that? The symbiote controlled him, it chose to do so because it is evil.
Posted by InnerVenom123
@GERALD:
Very true, I think Carnage is more like his ancestors than Venom though, since it likes to control hosts... that or since Cassady's mind was so insane it took over him, it thought it was normal to take over hosts and use them... or it could've kept some of Cassady's thoughts such as "KILL MAIM DESTROY" and them turn them over to the surfer, in fact, I think the surfer was experiencing Kletus's memories when Carnage bonded to him.... 
 
Posted by SuperXAsh

But the symbiote was slowly corrupting Peter Parker, turning him into a violent jerk. Toxin himself always seemed to be on the verge of going on a murder spree, and his cop host was barely able to keep him in check. The symbiote and Brock had similar desires for a long time, revenge on Parker for different reasons (Brock for his victim complex and the symbiote for being rejected), as well as the fact that apparently Brock's cancer secreted copious amounts of adrenaline for the symbiote for feed on. I really have no clue what the symbiote sees in Gargan, maybe his enhanced body allowed for similar adrenaline. And even then, the thing seems to be taking over Gargan's mind. 
 
The Carnage symbiote, I think, since it was "just born" when it came into contact with Kassidy was overridden by Kassidy's personality. 
 
Course how do you explain all the other symbiotes??? Scream?? Hybrid??? etc?
Posted by Arnulfo
@SuperXAsh: I don't what what to say about, but I don't with you on that. If you can read my blog again I'm just added more information.
Posted by InnerVenom123
@SuperXAsh:
If you read the original comics, the symbiote didn't do anything to Pete's attitude, just drained his power a bit (because it was making him webswing at night, which made him tired the next day)
Posted by Sinister Blood

That whole write up ignores a lot of known stuff about symbiotes and makes up a bunch of crap that (A.) doesn't make sense and (B.) is fucking lame.

Posted by thedevilhunter
@SuperXAsh: Those other  symbiotes , scream roit and the others were forced out of carnage and were given to a select members of "The Foundation"
Posted by thedevilhunter

How bout the time when gargon repressed   venom , only to find out venom actually had control over him and became a Colossal Venom, eating and killing everyone in his path,....and btw,...when did venom exactly start eating peaple...i know hes been doing that for some time.

Posted by maxcarnage
@InnerVenom123:
True. I hate to sound cocky. But, symbiotes are my expertees in the comic world. The venom symbiote as stated is mentally corrupt. It wishes to belong rather than consume. Normal symbiotes tend to drain hosts dry of adrenaline and phenethylamine. Venom was also the first symbiote to alter his genetic makeup, i.e. the venom insignia that carries on to any host, thus making him a mutant amongst his kind. In the planet of the symbiotes arch, the other symbiotes tend to attack venom perhaps because of this genetic mutation and the venom symbiotes need for belonging. Symbiotes are traditionally black, and most host seem to form mouths, but those who tend to overpower or have more control over the symbiote, such as spider-man and toxin, appear to have no ,"mouth". As four Carnage, he was the first truly genetic mutant amongs his kind. No real reason is known why his symbiote is red and appears as it does? Some say that Kassady wishes the symbiote to appear that way, and due to it's natural camouflage reflex, it does so. The other symbiotes were seeds removed from the venom symbiote,( Scream, Agony, Lasher, Riot, and Phage), not naturally born symbiotes. This may account for their appearance and powers. Toxin was the first naturally born symbiote and is the child of toxin. Fans believe his appearance to be a genetic mutation handed down from the carnage symbiote.
Posted by Meizzner

Isn't Toxin the only good symbiote?
Posted by Sinister Blood
@Meizzner: toxin and hybrid, and then spider-mam if you count him, also now anti-venom if you count him as a symbiote or as a good guy, and then venom (brock) can occasionally be a good guy
Posted by Sinister Blood
@maxcarnage said:
" @InnerVenom123: True. I hate to sound cocky. But, symbiotes are my expertees in the comic world. The venom symbiote as stated is mentally corrupt. It wishes to belong rather than consume. Normal symbiotes tend to drain hosts dry of adrenaline and phenethylamine. Venom was also the first symbiote to alter his genetic makeup, i.e. the venom insignia that carries on to any host, thus making him a mutant amongst his kind. In the planet of the symbiotes arch, the other symbiotes tend to attack venom perhaps because of this genetic mutation and the venom symbiotes need for belonging. Symbiotes are traditionally black, and most host seem to form mouths, but those who tend to overpower or have more control over the symbiote, such as spider-man and toxin, appear to have no ,"mouth". As four Carnage, he was the first truly genetic mutant amongs his kind. No real reason is known why his symbiote is red and appears as it does? Some say that Kassady wishes the symbiote to appear that way, and due to it's natural camouflage reflex, it does so. The other symbiotes were seeds removed from the venom symbiote,( Scream, Agony, Lasher, Riot, and Phage), not naturally born symbiotes. This may account for their appearance and powers. Toxin was the first naturally born symbiote and is the child of toxin. Fans believe his appearance to be a genetic mutation handed down from the carnage symbiote. "
As far as your theories on why carnage, toxin,and all the other symbiotes aren't just black, is easily explainable.  First off, the symbiotes all atleast have venom's powers, so they can use his camouflage, and can make clothes and all the stuff, the symbiotes can look however they or the hosts want them to. 
 
Toxin sometimes has a mouth and sometimes doesn't, usually when the symbiote is making him crazy he has his mouth.
Posted by CATMANEXE

symbiotes have their own minds. but theyre an entire race and have many different degree's
of emotions like any do, and they can learn. the general way to put them is their moody, and
alot like the Skrulls they harbor alot of negativity in the name of their homeworld being destroyed.
evil, no. moody as hell and extremely dangerous yes. alot is really in the eye of the beholder as well.
its not like they kill each other every time they see one another, with a few exceptions, which is notable.

Posted by info nation

I think the only reason The Silver Surfer went nuts when the Carnage suit took him over is because it knew it couldn't beat him unless it possesed him and gave everything it had trying to control him too! For all his goodness even the Silver Surfer has a dark side, so while it's difficult to make him do bad things, it's not exactly impossible! If it were, Mephisto (I hope I spelled that correctly) wouldn't bother trying to make him turn to the dark side! So while the Carnage suit COULD control someone if it really wanted to, it usually doesn't bother because our old pal Cletusgets along so well with it!

Posted by darkcloakx

they need to make a symbiotes  series animated. i'd watch it !