The undisputable outcome of the Dark Knight Returns final battle

There are three instances where fans like to consider that Batman defeated Superman in a fight, and they are Hush, Tower of Babel and The Dark Knight Returns.

Now, the first two are actually disputable. But the third one isn't.

In Hush, Batman only fought Superman (who was struggling against Poison Ivy's control) in order to distract him long enough for Catwoman to kidnap Lois, and force Clark to break free of Ivy's control. After, Batman inflicted some damage, Superman was about to finish things and crush Batman with a car until Bruce told him to look up to see Lois falling, therebye ending the fight. While Batman did beat up and basically own Superman in awesome fashion, he did not really "defeat" him, therefore Hush, does not count as a victory for Batman.

In Tower of Babel, while it is true that Batman's plans were responsible for Superman's defeat, it was not Batman who executed these plans, which were additionally modified by Ra's Al Ghul. Also, Batman was still experimenting the Red K that was used to defeat Clark, and his research was not 100% complete. So, while the story showed that Batman is fully capable of defeating Superman (and the rest of the Justice League), here it wasn't even a fight between the two, therefore it does not count as a victory for Batman (though it hints at potential victory somewhere down the road, but that's all we have, a hint, not an actual victory).

As most of you know, in the Dark Knight Returns, written by Frank Miller, Batman, using ten years of prep, help from Green Arrow and Robin, and an advanced armor, fought Superman, who was still recovering from a nuclear explosion in a climatic battle, and the undeniable result of that fight is a victory for Batman.

Here's the deal. Was the fight fair? No. Was Superman well written? No. Does this fight count as a valid answer to the question "Can Batman defeat Superman?"? No. Was Frank Miller, an admitted Superman hater, being unbiased? No. However, do all these things change the intended outcome of the fight, which was Batman defeating Superman? No. The truth is, despite all of these elements, which give Batman an unfair edge, it is clear that Batman defeated Superman, as intended, yet to this day, people still believe that Batman lost that fight, which is ludicrous.

As Stan Lee once said, the person who wins the fight, is the person that the writer wants to win. Guess who Frank Miller was pulling for...definitely not Clark! Miller wrote that fight with the specific intention of having Batman defeating Superman, yet people still want to dispute what the writer INTENDED to accomplish with some mind boggling arguments. For example:

- "The fight ended with Batman "dying" from a heart attack, with Superman holding his seemingly dead body. Therefore Superman won." No, the fight ended with Batman holding a bleeding and incapacitated Superman by the throat, and telling him that he wants him to remember the one man who beat him. The heart attack, (or fake heart attack), took place AFTER Superman's defeat. To put it in Mortal Kombat form, Batman defeated Superman, and the announcer says FINISH HIM, but instead of performing a Fatality, Batman performed a Hara-Kiri instead.

- "The fight ended with Batman having several broken ribs, while Superman only had a bleeding nose and a few bruises. Broken ribs is a much worse injury than a broken nose therefore Superman wins." No, let's put aside the fact that comparing battle damage in comics to real life injures is ridiculous, in comics, the loser of the fight is the one who is fallen and incapacitated, while the winner is the one who is standing tall, holding the other by the throat and giving an I beat you speach without any form of rebuttal by the fallen one. That person is Batman.

- "The fight was unfair, one sided prep, extra help, poor writing, biased writer, and weakened Superman who was holding back." All true. With all those elements in place, why is even a debate that Superman won? It is clear that Miller wrote this to stack all the odds against Superman and ensure his loss. Just because Batman cheated and the fight was unfair, doesn't mean that it doesn't count as a Batman victory. This isn't a real life sport, there is no disqualification, there are no rules. There is a winner and loser. I'll give an example. In Knightfall, Bane fought Batman in the Bat-Cave after he has fought and put down almost his entire rogue gallery while he was injured, sick, physically and mentally tired to the point where he could barely walk. It was an unfair fight in its fullest, yet the outcome is never in question, Bane defeated Batman and broke his back.

Here on CV, in the Dark Knight Returns story arc page, it is stated that "Batman lost" which is false. When a writer writes something with a specific goal, it should not be disputed, weather is "right" or "wrong" is irrelevant. If you ask Miller himself who won that fight, he'll gleefully tell you that it's Batman, so who are the fans to dispute what the writer claims about his own work? I do not consider it as a valid "Batman defeats Superman" feat in a battle forum but that does not means it did not take place.

Please excuse the long post, but I'm still reading comments that claim that TDKR fight is not considered a win for Batman, so it's just an issue that needed to be cleared up.

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My Theorie on the Thor Movie (Spoiler)

So the official Thor trailer has come out a few days ago and a lot of people are excited about the movie. Here's what I think will happen in the movie. For those of you who rather know nothing about the movie dont read the following, with that said here we go! 
 
The movie will starts in Asgard where Odin, the supreme All-Father and King of the realm has finally achieved peace and made a truce with the Asgardians' enemies the Frost Giants. He is also going to pass his title as king to his son the Mighty Thor. However, Thor is an arrogant, hot-headed, war-hungry adeventurer who disapproves of the Truce made with the Frost Giants and decides to go along with his fellow asgardians Sif and the Warriors Three to the Giants' territory where what seems to be an awsome fight insues, ruining the truce and therefor re-igniting war in Asgard. This angers Odin who is disappointed in his son, and sees him that he is not ready to become king yet because he doesn't have the vertues needed to become king: responsibility, honor, duty and humility. Thor exclaims that Odin is "an old man and a fool!" because of trying to make peace with the Frost Giants. Odin wants to teach him a lesson and therefore Thor is no longer worthy of carrying his hammer Mjolnir, and Odin takes away his powers and banishes him from Asgard to Earth through the Bifrost Bridge.  
 
On Earth, Thor is found by scientist Jane Foster who takes him in and provides him shelter. Unlike the comics, Thor seems to know who he is and seeks to get his hammer back which was also banished to Earth. Jane seeks to make a major discovery and wants to know more about Thor and Asgard. He promises her to get the answers she seeks once he retrieves his hammer which is located in a S.H.I.E.L.D facility in New Mexico (as we saw at the end of Iron Man 2) where S.H.I.E.L.D scientists are studying it. Thor infiltrates the facility and although de-powered, he demonstrates his fighting abilities by defeating the agents that try to stop and he arrives where the Hammer is located. He tries to lift  it but fails miserably and he is devastated by the fact that he is unworthy of carrying his tradmark hammer. In his stunned and distraught state he shows no resistance to the agents who capture him and bring him before Agent Colsen who starts interrogating Thor and wants to know more about him.  
 
Meanwhile in Asgard, Odin seems to have fallen ill or was probably injured by the Frost Giants' King Ymir and therefore he is unable to continue his duties as king. Since Thor is not in Asgard, Loki is now king and apparently he had something to do with Thor's exile and Odin's. Unpleased with Loki becoming King, Lady Sif, after convincing Heimdall to open the Bifrost Bridge, travels to Earth to bring back Thor. I don't know if you guys saw this but there was a video released on YouTube of Sif's arrival on Earth and her first contact with humans isn't too pleasant.  
(Spoiler!!!!!) Sif arrives near a redneck's camp, naked, and when the redneck tries to get "cozy" with her, Sif demonstrates her Asgardian strength and fighting knowledge by brutally killing her would-be rapist by breaking his neck. 

Fearing of Thor's returne, Loki sends the destroyer armor to Earth to retrieve Mjolnir and/or kill Thor. 
Sometime later on Earth, Thor is back living with Jane Foster and he goes through the usual self-doubting and "I'm not good/strong/brave enough" thing, and after some encouragement from Jane he tries to make the best of living on Earth, thus learning humility. Also, He and Jane become close. 
Sif eventually makes her way to Thor and tells him of what happened on Asgard. Just then, the Destroyer Armor appears and starts causing havok on Earth and endangering the people. Eventually Thor finds "the hero within" and now worthy of lifting Mjolnir, he manages to stop Destroyer and travels back with Sif to Asgard. However, there seems to be some sort of confrontation between him and Heimdall. I think Heimdall challenges Thor in combat to prove himself that he is now worthy of passing through the Bifrost Bridge. Thor does so and rallies the Asgardians against Loki and he engages him in one final battle and defeats him, ending his reigne of terror and banishes him or something like that.

In the end, Thor is offered the chance to become King of Asgard but he declines, prefering to live On Earth with Jane because the people need a protector. So he is reunited with Jane Foster. 
At some point, after the credits Thor is approached by Nick Fury/Agent Colsen/ Tony Stark about joining the Avengers and there will probably be some sort of nod to Captain America, maybe he will be found frozen or his shield will be found. 
 
Well that's what I think will happen in the movie. Of course, this is just a theorie and it's my own personal opinion. There's just one thing that bugs me... Who the heck is this guy? This shot appeared in the Comic Con trailer, I'm not too who this guy is, and as cool as he looks, I dont think he's Ymir, caus he does not look like a Frost Giant to me...Does anyone have any idea on who might this be?

 

In conclusion. I have think the fight scenes will be cool as well as the effects. I'm not a big fan of 3D but it will be cool to feel Mjolnir heading towards me. I'm also satisfied with the armors and helmets the characters are using. So let's hope it's as strong as the trailer make it seem. What do you gouys think? Do you agree with me on how the movie will go? What are your theories? Who is the green guy with red eyes? Could he be some sort of Troll under the command of Loki? Will the movie surpass your expectations?   

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