The Twilight Effect

  I was talking to my friend at school the other day and he brought up the topic of comics, which is weird seeing as he doesn't read comics, he reads mangas.  But he knows I read comics, and he does have some overall awareness of it, but never really started a conversation based on it.  So I was surprised, to say the least.  It was Wednesday, and the Superman Earth One came out and that sparked my friends idea on this.   
 
  "Have you heard of the Twilight Effect?"    

  Of course, I haven't.  But I knew it involved Twilight so I assumed it wasn't going to be very good.  Apparantly, based on the definition my friend made, the Twilight Affect is esssentially the basis that most things story wise (whether it be characters, stories, settings, plot, and anything else that forms the story) has gone under Twilightification.  Any story that has come out after 2005, the year Twilight came out, in order to cater to the masses and the unexplainable popularity of Twilight and it's fans, they form and mold their stories to exemplify traits and characteristics that most of Twilight does. 
 
  Whether that be the long hair, outdated speech, hoodies, emo pressences in storylines, and overall darker themes in otherwise lighter story lines.

Now my friend applied this theory of his to the new Superman:  Earth One.  Mind you, me and him have never really read it, but what he said was: 
 
  "Apparantly, they made a new Superman one-shot and Clark is essentially emo in it.  That's the Twilight Effect for you." 
 
 
Now I can't comment on anything related to the one-shot because I haven't read, and have no intentions of reading it, but what he said made me remember something Xerox-Kitty said in a topic the other day. 
  

@xerox-kitty

said:

"Why do comic companies think that the only way to modernise & make characters realistic is to give them a hoodie?? "

   
  I didn't pay it much thought before and responded with a silly, Hoodies are cool, comment but what my friend said formed a connection in my mind to what Xerox said.  Why are comic companies and writers making new characters wear hoodies?  Why are they doing this and that?  Well I'm making a stretch here, but maybe the Twilight Affect, officially dubbed =], is a part in all this. 
 
  Seriously, take Billy Batson and Freddy Freeman -- 
 
  
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Seriously, what the hell is up with that long hair?  Especially since Billy's hair should be THIS
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
And Freddy's THIS:   

  
  What could possibly be the explanation for this, this drastic change in hairstyles?  What could possibly explain Billy's handsome, wavy short hair to spur an unbelieavable growth and gaind 13 inches to form some horrible, unsophisticated hairstyle?  What could possibly make Freddy's short, nicely styled hair to gain 7 inches and to suddenly have the feel of the common rock music player.  And don't even get me started on making Freddy some emo brat >.>.. 
 
  Two words: 
 
  Twilight Effect 
 
  Don't believe me?  Well explain Tim Drake's drastic personality change.  And I don't mean for you to explain in the context of the story, I mean explain within the contexts of publishing and editing.  Starting in 2005, DC starts to kill off each and every one of Tim Drake's supporting characters, starting with his dad all the way to his girlfriend.  Then in Infinite Crisis, Superboy is killed and guess what?  Tim loses his best friend and Casse Sandmark loses the person she loves?  What happens after that?  Emo guilt and anger.  Tim Becomes enraged and on the edge of insanity, neglecting his body and lacking care for his own self and only busying himself with work.  Cassie ends up an angry, self conceitied, and depressed character.  When Tim asks her to join him on his Teen Titans she rejects his offer multiple times, and even goes so far as to accuse Tim of abandoning her and forgeting about Connor.   
 
  Tim spends the better part of a few years just focusing on resurecting, and bringing back everyone he lost back to life. 
 
  And let me remind you, there was no good reason as to why DC did this, they just did. 
 
  Twilight Effect: 
   The sudden change in aspects of stories by adding darker themes, and things of that nature in order to try and cater to a new fanbase, often alienating the old one. 
  Twilight Effect. 
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Posted by Sexy Merc

The Twilight Effect *.
 
: p

Posted by aztek_the_lost

Twilight wasn't popular back in 2005, if anything, stuff happening back then that you call "The Twilight Effect" would indicate Twilight was drawing on some other movement.

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Posted by Amegashita
@aztek the lost:  True, I did say I was making a bit of a stretch here, but it's safe to say that Twilight started to gain a following in 2005.  It wasn't until later that the whole series became as mainstream as it is today.  Though I call it the Twilight Affect, I'm really just finding a way to give a name to the complete dark overlay that DC is adding to it's characters, though it is still a theory at the most.  I need to find some more evidince >.>, lol. 
 
@Sexy Merc:
  "Twilight Affect.  If you didn't like the books, you most definitely won't like this." 
 
  That's a pretty good little slogan if you ask me.
Edited by brc2000

Errr.... DC has been attempting darker storylines way before Twilight became a fad. Ever hear of Identity Crisis? 
 
Long hair has nothing to do with Twilight or being "emo" and there are many well-adjusted and intelligent people who sport the hairstyle. In fact, long hair is most commonly associated with the heavy metal sub-culture nowadays, and emo and Twilight are not exactly appreciated by it.
 
It's effect, not affect.

Posted by Amegashita
@brc2000:  Identity Crisis came out in 2005, that says it all.    
 
  I'm well aware of that, but as I said to Aztek, I'm using Twlight in my theory name as to help group together an entire grouping of what I found.
 
   I'm using Affect because it's definition falls in place with what I wanted it to.   
 
  Affect: 
  To act on; produce an effect or change in:  
 
  I"m using Affect because the presence of Twilight, (albeit to what effect I cannot say) because Twilights popularity is spurring changes in the way some of our stories are being written.  So no, I won't use effect, I'm using affect.  Deal wit' it =P
Posted by brc2000
@Amegashita:  It came out in 2004 and even it was released in 07 it wouldn't matter since Twilight wasn't that big of deal yet.
 
Batman Begins also came out in 2005 and I doubt that was influenced in anyway by Twilight.
 
"Affect" can't be used as a noun in that sense.
 
That's as bad as saying something like "the correct calculate" or  "the difficult solve".
Edited by Amegashita
@brc2000:  It's a name.  I'm using Twilight in it to help form a psychological connection to anyone reading.  I'm not going to name this theory of mines, The Almamagation of Dark and Light in Comic Books, it's boring and overly complicated and unless they have an okay understanding of the word Almamagation, then they aren't going to get a good idea of what I'm trying to say.  It's psychological and it helps make it easier to understand.  I already told you that I'm using Twilight in the name as a way to group together the total observations I found, though my definition may say something different, that's not the intention.  Whatever. 
 
  Also, concerning the word affect, I already said it before but I'll say it again. 
 
  Deal wit' it. 
 
  =]
Posted by brc2000
@Amegashita said:

  Deal wit' it. 
 
  =] "
I'll never let this go lol.
Posted by Amegashita
@brc2000:  Oh, but you will.   
 
  *Jedi mind trick* 
 
  You will let this go.
Posted by Emperor Gonzo Noir

Just to add fuel to the fire, It's Effect, not Affect

Posted by Amegashita
@Emperor Gonzo Noir:  Deal wit' it. 
 
  =]
Posted by johnny_spam

Maybe some more research should go into this Twlight was not popular when allot of this started up it got popular after the movie. As for comics there has always been something dark about them from the end of Krypton to the death of the Waynes to Gwen Stacy. It's only now people notice it more. 
 
With Tim Drake he was the victim of not fitting in with Batman comics he had a parent a great life but that went against what the popular belief of Batman was look at the stuff Bruce has gone through all that death and chaos comes from the perception that only a dark Batman works but now with Batman and Robin it is clear Batman comics do not need to kill off characters or make Batman a jerk so it is changing including Tim who had been following him the whole time. 
 
The Marvel family has nothing to do with Twilight and everything to do with being older and having less comics there have been many reboots and new takes on him to appeal to new readers Trials of Shazam started only a year after Twilight before it's boom. 
 
As for Superman it is not a hoodie it is a jacket someone on youtube put it great. 
 
  

  The world is a very dark place and has this fixation on darkness and death it is no surprise Superhero comics reflect it because you want to see someone go through it and live.
Edited by Amegashita
@johnny spam:  I fixed the definition.  I already responded to why I named this theory of mines the Twilight Affect, I don't really feel like going and repeating it, but I'll say this.  Just because theory's name is Twilight Affect, does not mean I'm saying all off these things I've listed are happening because of Twilight... Though, Curse of the Mutants is one heck of proof as to Twilight's popularity >.>...
 
  Concerning Superman, I already said I never read it so I won't comment on it.  But my friend mentioning it spurred me to make this.  The blog has no real relation to Superman Earth One Except for my friend bringing up an idea based on it.
 
  And to respond to the world being a dark place, that's obvious.  And it's true some stories do show that, that gives no bearing as to some stories.  I don't like the Marvel family because of what they exemplify in concern to real life, I like them because of their characters.  Completely changing the character of that family just so they can try and appeal to a new fanbase, though the fact that they still refuse to even put the family out there seriously, is angering.
Posted by Primmaster64

Superman is not emo in the book

Posted by mrtrickster
@Primmaster64 said:
"Superman is not emo in the book "

absolutely not. superman earth one is a good book
Posted by Primmaster64
@mrtrickster said:
" @Primmaster64 said:
"Superman is not emo in the book "
absolutely not. superman earth one is a good book "
Yes it is
Posted by Dracade102

Is Superman : Earth One Out already? I Haven't seen it at any of meh Comic Book Shops.. =/ But I'm Not all that With it with the Maroon Hoodie and the PO'ed Laser eyes thing that's going on their, is it any good? 
 
Also, When Did Long Hair Stop Meaning Rocker And Devolve into Emo? >.>
Posted by danhimself

so let me get this straight....if a character has long hair...emo?  if a character wears a hoodie...emo?  if the character has any real life problems and talks about them in the book...emo?   if a character is depressed over loosing both father figures, his best friend, and his girlfriend...emo?

Posted by Primmaster64
@danhimself said:
" so let me get this straight....if a character has long hair...emo?  if a character wears a hoodie...emo?  if the character has any real life problems and talks about them in the book...emo?   if a character is depressed over loosing both father figures, his best friend, and his girlfriend...emo? "

If that's true then Batman's is emo, Spidey too...
Posted by danhimself
@Primmaster64 said:
" @danhimself said:
" so let me get this straight....if a character has long hair...emo?  if a character wears a hoodie...emo?  if the character has any real life problems and talks about them in the book...emo?   if a character is depressed over loosing both father figures, his best friend, and his girlfriend...emo? "
If that's true then Batman's is emo, Spidey too... "
apparently so am I then...I've had long hair before...I like to wear hoodies...I have real life problems...if I lost 2 father figures, a best friend and a girlfriend then I'd be depressed.....but I don't feel emo....hmmmm....maybe everyone should stop calling everything they don't like emo....I hate the term when it comes to music....all music is designed to elicit an emotional response so to brand any type of music as "emo" is just redundant...and people who are now called "emos" in my time they were called "goth"
Posted by Primmaster64
@danhimself: In general we would all be emos, but we are not.I don't like how people labalice people that like diffeent things.
Posted by danhimself
@Primmaster64:  me neither...I could never label myself as any of the stereotypical labels and people who label other people really piss me off
Posted by Amegashita
 @Dracade102 said:

"Also, When Did Long Hair Stop Meaning Rocker And Devolve into Emo? >.> "


  Oh, I"m sorry I totally didn't mention that at all in my blog >.> 
  

  "What could possibly make Freddy's short, nicely styled hair to gain 7 inches and to suddenly have the feel of the common rock music player.  And don't even get me started on making Freddy some emo brat >.>.." 

  
 
  
In connection with calling it emo, I didn't.  I said specifically, Don't get me started on making Freddy some emo brat >.>.., Nowhere in there did I call the hairstyle itself emo, I called Freddy, the character who sports the hairstyle, emo.
    
@danhimself:           @mrtrickster:      @Primmaster64:
  I never said Superman Earth One was emo, my italicized quotes obviously represents me repeating what my friend said.  I mention right there in the Blog that I have not read the issue so I would not comment on it any further, exemplified by the fact that after mentioning it the first time, I never mention it again.  I only said what my friend said formed a connection to what Xerox-Kitty said.
Posted by Jotham
@Amegashita: Interesting theory. I would say that most of the stuff you talk about probably wasn't directly influenced by Twilight, but you seem to know that already.
Probably both Twilight and comics were influenced by some sort of societal shift.
Posted by Amegashita
@Jotham said:
" @Amegashita:  Probably both Twilight and comics were influenced by some sort of societal shift. "

  That's exactly what I think.  It's easily noticeable in DC comics.  There's the silver age, the Golden Age, the Bronze Age, and the Modern Age.  With each shift in society, there is always some epic shift in comics. 
 
  As for Twilight, I agree with you... but.... Curse of the Mutants is not the most inspired idea which just so happened to come out when Vampires and Werewolves seem to be at the height of their popularity.
Posted by Jotham
@Amegashita said:
" Curse of the Mutants is not the most inspired idea which just so happened to come out when Vampires and Werewolves seem to be at the height of their popularity. "
Yeah, well I'm not saying nothing was inspired by Twilight.
Posted by Amegashita
@Jotham:  Touche.
Posted by Amegashita
@danhimself said:

"so let me get this straight....if a character has long hair...emo?  if a character wears a hoodie...emo?  if the character has any real life problems and talks about them in the book...emo?   if a character is depressed over loosing both father figures, his best friend, and his girlfriend...emo? "

  I reread what you said, and I might as well respond in turn.  Reread my definition of Twilight Affect, because apparantly, it flew over your head. 
 

  Twilight Affect: 
   The sudden change in aspects of stories by adding darker themes, and things of that nature in order to try and cater to a new fanbase, often alienating the old one. 
  Twilight Affect

    
  Nowhere in the definition does it say emo.  Nowhere at all.  It seems as if my usage of the series Twilight in my theory name gave off the impression that I was calling everything I listed emo.  I would like to point out that I'm not.  I only called one person in the entire blog emo, that was Freddy Freeman. 
 
  So, no, none of those things you've listed make a person emo, nor does it conencide with what I was saying.
Posted by SilverZeo

Come to think of it, the poster to Dragonball Evolution had Goku hold the dragonball like the twilight apple...

Posted by Mercy_

Sorry to burst your bubble, but all of that was present before Twilight.

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Posted by Amegashita
@SilverZeo:  I'm willing to call that coincidence, also, your sarcasm has been noted. 
 
@The Dark Huntress:
  What you've said has been addressed by people before, and I replied in turn.  I don't feel like repeating it, but because you're a friend I'll make an exception.  Twilight in the name is for the purpose of a personal connection to people in general.  It's an association effect, like how most theories are named after something that a person will be able to connect to so that their understanding of the theory can be easier.  For my theory, I am merely pointing out a series of changes that I have noticed in the past decade, most have no relation to the series of Twilight, but that doesn't change the personal connotation of what I am trying to present.  Jotham stated it perfectly a few post above us.
Posted by Lord's Angel
@johnny spam said:
"Maybe some more research should go into this Twlight was not popular when allot of this started up it got popular after the movie. As for comics there has always been something dark about them from the end of Krypton to the death of the Waynes to Gwen Stacy. It's only now people notice it more. 
 
With Tim Drake he was the victim of not fitting in with Batman comics he had a parent a great life but that went against what the popular belief of Batman was look at the stuff Bruce has gone through all that death and chaos comes from the perception that only a dark Batman works but now with Batman and Robin it is clear Batman comics do not need to kill off characters or make Batman a jerk so it is changing including Tim who had been following him the whole time. 
 
The Marvel family has nothing to do with Twilight and everything to do with being older and having less comics there have been many reboots and new takes on him to appeal to new readers Trials of Shazam started only a year after Twilight before it's boom. 
 
As for Superman it is not a hoodie it is a jacket someone on youtube put it great. 
 
  
  The world is a very dark place and has this fixation on darkness and death it is no surprise Superhero comics reflect it because you want to see someone go through it and live. "

Weakest rant ever......ijs
Posted by Mercy_
@Amegashita: OK, fair enough. 
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Edited by batman_is_god
@Amegashita:
Pretty guys are more popular than masculine guys. 
 
I don't like it either.
Posted by xerox_kitty

I've been quoted... oh my!

 

I don't think Hoodies are caused by Twilight.  They've been around longer than the movie.  So have emos.  I simply meant that comic creators are running on empty if they think that all it takes is a hoodie to make a character 'younger' or 'moodier'.  There's more to the world of young fashion than a sweat shirt with a hood.

 

Someone once accused me of being a Twilight fan.  I've never read the books nor seen any of the films.  From what little clips & trailers I've seen, I'm not interested in seeing them either.  Yet a friend accidentally insulted me by saying my eye-shadow looked like something from Twilight.  Is that the "Twilight Effect"?  No, because I have not been influenced by Twilight.  Was it just a dumb comment made by someone who wasn't thinking?  Yep...

Posted by countvontrey
@xerox-kitty said:
"

Was it just a dumb comment made by someone who wasn't thinking?  Yep...

"
Pretty much, yeah. The whole concept of labeling people stems from a lack of thought before speech. (I'm guilty of this myself) 
 
As for the Twilight thing, I dunno. I think the whole thing is a fad, like anything else. Years in the future, current Twilight fans will look back fondly and laugh. The rest of us will also emerge unscathed. 
Posted by Amegashita
@countvontrey:  Let us hope so. =P 
 
@xerox-kitty
said:
"I've been quoted... oh my!

 

I don't think Hoodies are caused by Twilight.  They've been around longer than the movie.  So have emos.  I simply meant that comic creators are running on empty if they think that all it takes is a hoodie to make a character 'younger' or 'moodier'.  There's more to the world of young fashion than a sweat shirt with a hood.

"
  Doesn't change anything all that much =P, some of the most intellectual things are inspired by some of the seemingly most mundane.  Like how gravity was discovered.  Though I say this, my blog isn't saying that everything I've listed, and other things, are because of Twilight, it's just an account of what I see occuring in the medium of comics.  In fact, what I bolded actually falls into what I've listed, though only if you stretch it far enough. 
 
Posted by joshmightbe

why would twilight influence make things darker when its inherently a horror story gone soft. Any version of dracula was infinatlly darker than the sparkle fairy vamps in twilight

Posted by Amegashita
@joshmightbe:  You, obviously, did not read any of my responses to people nor did you fully read the definition.  Please read them again, because I've already addressed what you said multiple times already.
Posted by speedlgt

it should be called the BLADERUNNER effect.........that oldskool movie set alot of the tone for the gothic style which nowadays is called emo. look at sandman? is that been affected by twlight? I doubt it. From blade runner you get the tone of the crow and other visuals that are emo/gothic Tim burton also is guilty of the MAKE EVERYTHING DARK including all superhero clothes genere.  
 I will say that twlight has had an impact on the mass media but IMO it was more affected our perception on vampires (for the worse) I believe its really all about a horny girl fanatsy being presued by various handsome men animals and the undead. Its porn without being porn. 
 
As far as tim drake I think the main reason this occurs is due to the idea or (one time Idea) that tim drake would become the batman and not so much his brothers. OF all the robins Tim is the true decetive and the most like bruce IF pushed in the right way, and thus the death and emo(fication) of the character.  In that titans tomorrow story we see the direction I think DC must have at one time wanted to go with drake. However now he seems to be the one guy in all DC that never gave up on the batman so maybe at the root of his being hes still about light and hope
Posted by Amegashita
@speedlgt:  The first part of what you said has already been answered before, so if you want an answer, read some earlier posts. 
 
  The second part, I can agree with to a certain extent, but there were better ways to do this.  Not only that, but they brought back all the people who had died who were close to Tim, excluding his father, so the excuse of teaching Tim to deal with tragedy does not work.
Posted by speedlgt
@Amegashita said:
"@speedlgt:  The first part of what you said has already been answered before, so if you want an answer, read some earlier posts.    The second part, I can agree with to a certain extent, but there were better ways to do this.  Not only that, but they brought back all the people who had died who were close to Tim, excluding his father, so the excuse of teaching Tim to deal with tragedy does not work. "

yeah I think DC had a plan with drake then that plan changed alltogether.