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Four Things I See Wrong With the Comic Book Industry, Today

  As everyone has noticed, the comic industry has been on a steady decline for a very long time.   It’s hard to exactly pin point when, and it’s even harder to describe why it has been so, but the average person would tell you that once people began making comics available via digital downloads, for free, that’s when the comic industry began to steadily decline, and I would agree, who wants to buy a 24 paged magazine (not including ads) when you can get said magazine online for free.   It’s inefficient, especially when the world economy is spiraling downwards at an unbelievable rate.

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  It’s hard to deny that kind of logic, when you could go and Google the latest issue of Wolverine, and have it on your computer within about, a minute. But, logically, this can’t be the only reason as to why the comic industry is declining, the music industry is still striving and people can go download every single Rolling Stones song since the 1970’s, all without leaving their computer seats.  

  Now, for me, I’ve pinpointed four things about the comic industry that has turned me away from superhero comics in general.   I still read comics, obviously or I wouldn’t still be on this site, but I don’t read half as much as I used to.   Before I would try and read every single Wolverine comic that came out each month, now I can’t read Marvel in general, nor can I stand DC.

  Problem #1 – The Comic Publishers are to Concerned with Money:

  This is true for any and everything thing retail wise.   Theres the saying “Money talks”, and anyone who has money understands this well.   A rich, famous man can get into the hottest restaurant without even waiting in line, while working class people have to wait two hours just to get into Red Lobster.   It’s true, money talks, you can’t deny that, but in the words of Richard Armour, “That money talks, I'll not deny, I heard it once:   It said, "Goodbye."

  Money doesn’t last, which is why big name publishers, DC and Marvel specifically, keep grabbing and grabbing for all the money they can possibly get.   Why is it that every 3 months, Marvel has some new big event that’ll “Change the entire workings of the Universe”?   It’s because they understand that these events attract curious people who read this line and think, “Oh my, if I read this, I could possibly reading history in the making” and they are, they’re reading this history that has been continuing for 3 to 4 decades now, it’s the history of these big name companies sacrificing quality over quantity, and to this day, it still goes on.

  This is why characters like Batman and Wolverine get about 8 series per year, because they sell, and they sell unbelievably well.   With how much they sell, you’d think that these characters were actually real and we could go and meet them down in California. What’s sad about this is that by over saturating these characters like the way they are, they’ll soon turn away the fan base these characters had created, and when that time comes, they’ll sooner kill off these characters instead of trying to get the fan base back, and it’s sad.

  These big name publishing companies don’t understand that if they focus on writing great stories, the money itself will come in turn, and it’s this stubborn-mindedness that turns away many readers today.   Instead of mindlessly pumping out events each and every years for the sake of making money, they should focus on the quality of their stories instead of the number of characters they can throw in our faces.

  Problem #2 – Comics Today Lack a Singular Vision for the Future:

  Why is it that Japanese comics completely out sell and destroy the comic industry in retail value and in sell ability?   It’s because with a manga, I never have to worry about some no-name writer coming out of nowhere to ruin the characters I love.   On the covers of manga there’s usually one name, and one alone.   On One Piece the name on the cover is Eichiro Oda, the author, and artist on the series.   But on Green Arrow #12, there was four names on the cover, J.T. Krul, Diogenes Neves, Vincente Cifuentes, and Oclair Albert.   Worst yet, in the very next issue most of those people aren’t even on the cover, heck, on the wiki for Green Arrow #12, there are 12 people given credit for this issue, and not a single one of them own the copyright to any of the characters that appeared in the issue.

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  In February of this year, Green Lantern was the highest selling comic out that month, selling over 71,500 copies of the issue.   In Japan however, this May the 62 volume

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 of One Piece sold over 1,788,455 copies in 6 days, May 2 to May 8.   Why is that, especially since that very volume is online for free?   It’s because, since 1997 One Piece has been under the regulation of a single author who has control over all the events and has a sound plan for the future of the story.   When I read One Piece, I never have to worry about any of my favorite characters being portrayed incorrectly, yet whenever I read a comic where Captain Marvel appears in, there always seems to be some incorrect portrayal of him that makes me stop reading the issue all together.

  If the comics industry was to just let singular writers take control of a series for a prolonged period of time, let’s say 3 years, and if they do unbelievable at it, I can say with much confidence that for those 3 years, they would have a lot more happy readers.  

  Problem #3 – Comics Simply, aren’t Fun Anymore:

  It’s true, when I read a comic, there’s always some unneeded drama, and some pointless killings for the sake of making a story awesome, which, unfortunately, it isn’t.   Heck, Alan Moore himself even said that:

“If I were, god forbid, still doing superhero comics today, just like my ABC work from a couple of years ago, they’d be very very different from the Watchmen or Marvelman template. They’d be much more about having fun—whether that be intellectual fun or just plain fun—much more about that than doing any revisions.”

 

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  And that’s the thing, there’s just nothing fun about comics anymore.   The last comic I read that actually made the act of reading the comic itself fun was Formerly Known as the Justice League.   The whole series itself was great to read, from the silly interactions of the naïve Mary Marvel with the other characters, to the funny back and forth between Ted Kord and Booster Gold.   What wasn’t to like about that, but despite how good it was, you don’t see many of these types of stories anymore.   Why is that?  

  Well, let’s put it into terms of art for a second.   David Finch himself said that, when you draw a person smiling it’s a lot harder than drawing

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 someone angry.   With an angry person all you have to do is draw an upwards arc for a mouth, furrow the brows, and add some lines on the forehead, boom angry.   With a person grinning though, you have to draw the cheeks puffed out, you have to thin out the upper and lower lips, you have to make the eyes smaller, and then you have to draw the teeth.   It’s a lot more work to draw someone who is happy than it is to draw someone who is angry, and in terms of comics, it’s basically like this:

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  It’s a lot harder to write a fun story that is still well written and doesn’t make little of its intelligent readers, than it is to write a story about angry characters with wrathful things in it.   Because a story focused on angry characters seems much more serious than one about happier things, and it’s this thought of mind that puts comics way behind manga.  

  But the thing is, making a fun story that is still well thought out and developed isn’t impossible, just look at One Piece.   Even though some of the things in the story are just silly, I mean, the main character Monkey D. Luffy is a rubber man, and he fights with an array of attacks taking advantage of that rubber-ness, but still, the story is great.   At

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 one point, when Kizaru is about to attack someone with his light powers he says “Light is… weight.”   And if you don’t have any understanding of Einstein’s theory of Relativity, you’d have no idea what he is talking about, but that’s what we call fun on an intellectual level.   Even while reading that, you don’t have to understand what he is talking about, to still enjoy reading it.  Heck, even the TvTropes Page talks about this, they call it Fridge Brilliance, and One Piece has a lot of it.

 

  When I was reading the Skypedia arc of One Piece, at the end when Luffy achieves the dreams of all the lands people by getting the bell to ring for the first time in 400 years, there was nothing that ever put such a wider smile on my face than that one scene, and even after reading it over and over for an unbelievable amount of time, I still have yet to not smile at that same scene, and that’s what comics need.   They need to make people smile again, comics should be about heroic characters doing heroic things, not dark characters doing dark things, because the world is horrible enough.   Every day hundreds to thousands of people die and me and you won’t even know, because it happens so much it becomes common place.   Comics should be a place to turn to when the world is giving you so much crap, you need a break.  

  I’m not saying get rid of all things dark, because that’s unnecessary.   We need characters like Batman and Wolverine to serve as foil to characters like Billy Batson and Peter Parker, but when every, single character seems to be dark and angsty, that’s when things are getting out of hand.

  Problem #4 – Comic Books Lack Variety as a Genre:

  If I were to ask the average superhero comic reader, “What type of genre are there in superhero comics?”  And they’ll say, superhero comics are a genre, there’s no other type of genre in superhero comics beside superhero comics.   Okay, that makes sense right?   When you go to read a book, libraries have them separated into differing genres, giving readers a wide array of books to choose from, so even if you don’t like science fiction, you could go and read historical fiction and etcetera, but with Superhero comics, not only are they a genre in themselves, they take up the vast majority of all comics that are out there today, and honestly not all readers want to read about angst.

  In manga’s though, you have an entire industry based on telling a wide array of stories.   You have 4-Koma (Comedy Manga), you have Seinen (Young Adult), you have Shounen (Young Boys), and even Shoujo (Young Girl), and then the sub genres within these sects of manga.   With comics everyone associates superhero comics as the only form of comics out there, and even though it’s not true, superhero comics make up about 75, maybe 80% of the entire comic book industry.

  The comic book industry as a whole has so many things it’s lacking.   There’s a reason why, here on the Vine, people like me, TurokofStone, Silkcuts, and so many others constantly view the comic book industry as a whole in such a negative light.   It’s because the heads of these companies just don’t understand what they’re doing.   Turok will tell you that that pushing away the older audience who’s been reading for ages, for a younger audience that is virtually non-existent is a moronic thing to do.   Silk will tell you how trying to destroy creator owned imprints like Vertigo for the sake of making money is an even more moronic thing to do.   And it’s all true.

  The industry has so many problems right now, to many to address.   Though, for me, these 4 problems are some of the things that keep turning me away from comics as a whole.     

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Silver Age actually refers to the Silver Age of comics, from the late 50's to 1970.  Paul Levitz wrote the Legion of Super Heroes from 1981 to 1989, he had as much impact on them as Claremont did on the X-Men.  
Geoff Johns brought back the silver age legion into prominence with the Lightning Saga, Superman and the Legion of Superheroes and Final Crisis Legion of three worlds.
 
When Paul Levitz returned to the Legion last year, he started doing his own thing while incorporating some of Johns's work.  Like making Earth-Man (he can absorb powers like rogue) a legionairre.  He also started a legion academy storyline that brought in some new characters while resting some of the older ones.  He makes it all work pretty well.  You might like it. 

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@GundamHeavyarms:  Thank you for the information, I'll make sure to check it out one of these days when I have the time.
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@Amegashita: 1st of all i really liked your blog, but what do you think the best way of introducing new genres to comics would be? I can see many like wester, sci-fi, fantasy, and fighting(martial arts,etc) , but that's because they have had them. What i can't really see are like the racing, sports, food, etc that are shown in manga
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@justafan:  I agree it'd be hard to introduce those kind of genre's into comics since they're already such big things in America.  In Japan, football isn't that big a deal, so it's easy to make a manga about football in Japan because most Japanese don't care.  Yet in America, it's hard to make a sports manga when we could go and watch an actual football game, with some of the best football players in the world.  It's hard to address, but before we go adding more genres to comics, we should start trying to de-synthesize the whole Superhero comics are the only comics, we see it already in companies like Top Cow and Image with some of their more supernatrual based comics, and we most definitely see  it in Vertigo with comics like Hellblazer and the Endless.  
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Well, I do not like Manga comics at all.  That said I agree with most of what you said.  Look at a character like Aquaman.  He is on the edge of being one of the top characters in DC yet even he is subject to the whims of an unsure vision in DC.  By 1993 Aquaman was about as exciting as a bowl of white rice.  He couldn't even sustain his own book.  That was until Peter David wrote for the character and changed his look.  Aquaman looked more like an ancient king with his beard and long hair.  He was like a super-powered King Arther.  He got rid of his orange shirt and wore armour like a gladiator.  He also did something that I am normally dead set against.  He lost his hand.  The reason this was an exception is because what was done with the character afterwards.  He was interesting again!  He looked and acted like the character always should have.  He had interesting supporting characters.  Remember when Dolphin wore his orange shirt as a dress.  Last but not least was Aquaman's hand was not replaced by some over cybornetic technology that is somehow only available to superhero characters in the DC universe.  His hand was basically a hook.  Not only was it simple and elegant it was appropriate for his character.  He had a unique look now.  He stood out.  He no longer looked like a blonde Superman and he was still human being handicapped by his missing hand.  No matter how cool his hook arm was it was still a hook.  He may of had other powers but he was still handicapped and that made him relateable.   The series lasted 77 issues not counting annuals and specials and was the longest run the character ever had.  The decision was made to cancel the book.  After that Aquaman was changed again and again piece by piece reverting him back to the stale charter he was when it all started.  Now it is 2011 and Aquaman, Hal and Barry back like it is the 1960's again.  Character's need to change and grow but it needs to be done well and the long standing implications need to be considered.  Why change Aquaman back to the boring character of the 1960's?  Why bring back characters like Hal and Barry when you have correctly replaced them with Kyle and Wally?  And can someone tell me why we still have Superhero's wearing panties on the outside of their spandex tights?
Don't forget that his hook also shot out and had a rope attached to it for some bizarre reason :P I hated when they gave him the water hand that he could turn into whatever he wanted.
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Wow... Crazy good article!!! I agree with everything you said... We need some fun!!! Deadpool <even though it's been crappy except for the last 3 issues> and the amazing spider-man are my favorite issues to pick up because the comic relief makes it enjoyable while the action keeps it exciting!!!

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@Amegashita said:
Nothing wrong with experience, I actually agree.  People who read manga seem to either be a lot younger than comic readers, but even when they grow into adults and when the manga that were fun for them to read before seems more lackluster, they could just as easily go and read another genre.  There's more variety in manga, on another note, with manga everything is simplified to an extent.  In manga, when someone is angry, instead out the entire expression, they just draw the eyes closed and then draw the three stylized veins on the forehead and with that, anyone reading can understand that the character is still angry.  It's a fun simplification of a usually hard thing to express through art, and there's that fun I was talking about earlier. 
Not to argue just for the sake of being right, but there are different genres in comics, it's just a matter of truly reaching out of the two big hitters' range and finding out more titles from different publishers.
 
You want to read fantasy, sword-slashing stuff ? You can read Red Sonja (Dynamite) or Conan (Darkhorse), you want crime ? You can read Scalped (Vertigo), you want horror / supernatural ? Hellblazer (Vertigo) it is, you want REAL detective comics ? Try Moriarty (Image), you want gory slash-core ? Then read Crossed (Avatar), want war or political drama ? Then The Boys (Dynamite) is what you need, and these are only titles that are out now, without counting the insane amounts of collected trades of original stories like Y: The Last Man, I Kill Giants, Sandman, American Virgin, TURF, Nemesis, Pride Of Baghdad, etc.
  
Now, wether the two big-hitters (DC and Marvel) should put out different comic genres, well that's different, same case if we ask why is it that DC or Marvel are only doing superhero comics, that's certainly an issue if us, as audience, wanted the big publishers to expand their creative output and make non-superhero comics, which quite frankly I think WE ALL want.
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@Feliciano2040 said:

Not to argue just for the sake of being right, but there are different genres in comics, it's just a matter of truly reaching out of the two big hitters' range and finding out more titles from different publishers.   You want to read fantasy, sword-slashing stuff ? You can read Red Sonja (Dynamite) or Conan (Darkhorse), you want crime ? You can read Scalped (Vertigo), you want horror / supernatural ? Hellblazer (Vertigo) it is, you want REAL detective comics ? Try Moriarty (Image), you want gory slash-core ? Then read Crossed (Avatar), want war or political drama ? Then The Boys (Dynamite) is what you need, and these are only titles that are out now, without counting the insane amounts of collected trades of original stories like Y: The Last Man, I Kill Giants, Sandman, American Virgin, TURF, Nemesis, Pride Of Baghdad, etc.    Now, wether the two big-hitters (DC and Marvel) should put out different comic genres, well that's different, same case if we ask why is it that DC or Marvel are only doing superhero comics, that's certainly an issue if us, as audience, wanted the big publishers to expand their creative output and make non-superhero comics, which quite frankly I think WE ALL want.

  Once again, I agree with you wholly and completely, I even mention that in my blog to an extent.  I wrote that Superhero comics aren't the only comics out there, but since the two biggest comic publishers out there is DC and Marvel, and all they do is superhero comics, most people don't even realize that there's something other than men and women in latex costumes.  If they really want to get more readers, they should expand the horizon's of their stories, it'll do them good.  also, I've read The Boys, and I know about Hellblazer, of course one of my good friends on this site, Silkcuts is an expert on Hellblazer and everything John Constantine.  There's a lot of stories out there, but most people don't want to just go and look through the troves of Superhero comics.  Heck, most of the news here on ComicVine is DC and Marvel news, and guess what that news is mostly about?  Superhero comics.  But I desist.  I believe a lot of readers want more from the Big Two, but I don't think that they'll see this anytime soon.  
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Solid piece, brother.
 
The publishers do need to be financially conscious because it is still a business and they must ensure its survival but they need to go about it with an entirely new, different attitude than the one they have now. It is too much about exploitation and hype rather than really boiling down the essence of what makes this medium so great, embracing it, putting out quality product and planning well for long-term growth. 
 
In regards to that, I agree with your third point as well in the sense that no one in comics is having fun. It is not necessarily even the product as much as it is everyone involved pursuing this medium for some other corrupted reason. Though, that mostly applies to the Big 2. I personally do have fun with comics. Otherwise, why would I bother? I feel that if you are not having any fun, then it is silly that you keep reading out of some diluted feeling of connection.
 
Problem #2 ties into the long-term growth aspect. Books are a mess because for most creative teams are always changing. It is probably true that creators rarely have certainties themselves and so they probably do not put out the level of work that they really can. Why is Grant Morrison's Batman opus as good as is? Yes, he is a fantastically intricate writer. But it is also because he does what he wants, everything else be damned and knows that he can do it until he is done. 
 

Now, I am sure plenty will disagree (sigh) but I feel like what DC is going to do in September is at least an appropriate risk at addressing many of these issues. The main focus is NOT on the money like many claim. It is a big gamble. If they were concerned primarily with cash, they would probably keep the status quo. No publisher relaunches their entire line for quick money grab. But that side of it does need to factor in because again they are a business. How can you not look at some of the books and crack a smile? Fun will definitely be had with those titles. And the excitement of the whole thing is already addressing the lacking of that emotion in the industry. There is a diverse array of genres for the reboot! And I imagine if titles are being well-done, on-time and numbers are decent enough, we will see less musical chairs.

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@Pizawle:  Thank you for the compliment, with you response to Problem #3, it seems as if comics are more another way to tell dark stories, and not all comics are dark and gritty, but so many of them that are released from the Big Two are so dark.  Heck, DC's most popular character is Batman, and he is the epitome of dark and gritty, and Marvels most popular character of the recent generation is Wolverine.  this is a guy who is completely driven by rage and anger, he's the modern Achilles.  But as I said in the blog, Batman and Wolverine are characters that comics do, in fact need, because just like not everyone wants to read about dark characters and stories, not everyone wants to read something that is bright.  The problem isn't the characters, it's the fact that so many of the characters in DC and Marvel are taking a darker turn, and when you have over 50% of all comic characters taking a darker edge, Tim Drake, Dick Grayson, and so many others, it makes the whole universe these comics take place in seem as bleak and dreary as the world we live in today.   
 
  It's hard to read a story where the characters just make you smile, of course there are some for me, X-Factor being the most current one, but it's a rare diamond in the rough.   
 
  My problem with the DC revamp is that it seems as if they're turning away from all the growth that occurred over the past 2 decades.  A lot of the problems with DC don't need a drastic change like a Revamp to fix, it just requires more creativity on the part of the writers and a better usage of the thousands upon thousands of characters that DC has ownership over.  Though I agree that if there is some good writing most of these titles will be great, but there are also a lot of titles in the revamp that we can easily see as a one-shot/ mini.  It's a big risk they're taking, and that they're potentially setting fire to an implosion that could cost DC much more than they ever wished to see. 
 
  By the way, I love your post ;D.
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@Amegashita said:

The problem isn't the characters, it's the fact that so many of the characters in DC and Marvel are taking a darker turn, and when you have over 50% of all comic characters taking a darker edge, Tim Drake, Dick Grayson, and so many others, it makes the whole universe these comics take place in seem as bleak and dreary as the world we live in today. It's hard to read a story where the characters just make you smile, of course there are some for me, X-Factor being the most current one, but it's a rare diamond in the rough. 

I'd say it's a personal matter of taste at this point, people don't have to share my view, but I've always thought that if fiction shares no nexus with reality, then there's no point. That said, I actually like that comics are usually getting darker and show us a more "malevolent" world. Then again, I'd be fooling myself if I didn't expect to open a comic book and hope for Batman to beat the living crap out of The Joker, we want great stories, we want quality, but we also seek inspiration from them.  
 

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 My problem with the DC revamp is that it seems as if they're turning away from all the growth that occurred over the past 2 decades.  A lot of the problems with DC don't need a drastic change like a Revamp to fix, it just requires more creativity on the part of the writers and a better usage of the thousands upon thousands of characters that DC has ownership over.  Though I agree that if there is some good writing most of these titles will be great, but there are also a lot of titles in the revamp that we can easily see as a one-shot/ mini.  It's a big risk they're taking, and that they're potentially setting fire to an implosion that could cost DC much more than they ever wished to see.    By the way, I love your post ;D.

And I can't agree more on the first part, I can't help but cringe whenever people rationalize that Barbara Gordon going back to Batgirl is a good thing, it is a monstrous, horrible decision, and the fact that people are okay with comics being "cyclical" makes me feel really bad about the medium that I love. Before, I was referring to the "inmaturity" of people that read manga, and yet now (ironically) I can see the lack of maturity in a lot of people, from both audience and creators, by accepting this decision. 

Okay, rant over ! On the good side, I am impressed at some of the titles DC is putting out in September, such as Deathstroke, Blackhawks, Grifter, Sgt. Rock, All-Star Western, Justice League Dark, Red Hood And The Outlaws, Resurrection Man, Swamp Thing, Demon Knights. A lot of those titles are NOT superhero titles, and some of those haven't even been on the mainstream in thirty plus years ! I can't say I'm underwhelmed.
 
Now, which titles do you see as one-shots or minis ?
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@Amegashita:  i can see what you mean by saying that comics aren't fun and many aren't but the one comic that has always been able to bring a smile to my face no matter what has been the spiderman series (ultimate and 616) maybe it's the old childhood memories it brings but what i've liked about spiderman is that i almost always get pulled into the reading and even in the most serious parts he'll say something hilarious that just make me laugh no matter where I'm at.
 This is such a serious and powerful moment ,and me and my friend laughed so hard.
 This is such a serious and powerful moment ,and me and my friend laughed so hard.
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Once again, I agree with you wholly and completely, I even mention that in my blog to an extent.  I wrote that Superhero comics aren't the only comics out there, but since the two biggest comic publishers out there is DC and Marvel, and all they do is superhero comics, most people don't even realize that there's something other than men and women in latex costumes.  If they really want to get more readers, they should expand the horizon's of their stories, it'll do them good.  also, I've read The Boys, and I know about Hellblazer, of course one of my good friends on this site, Silkcuts is an expert on Hellblazer and everything John Constantine.  There's a lot of stories out there, but most people don't want to just go and look through the troves of Superhero comics.  Heck, most of the news here on ComicVine is DC and Marvel news, and guess what that news is mostly about?  Superhero comics.  But I desist.  I believe a lot of readers want more from the Big Two, but I don't think that they'll see this anytime soon.  
eh far from it, DC and Marvel do publish a lot of non superhero comics but of course not nearly enough, very small percentage, big problem with most of them is that they don't sell as well or have small print runs and are plagued by delays. Marvel has their historical fiction comics, all the Stephen King properties and the Orson Scott Card stuff, they also had Soleil which was beyond incredible. Soleil sadly didn't sell well enough and it looks like it got shut down, they were comics that were just too "smart" for an American audience, personally I loved every single one of them and thanks to them I found tons of Euro comics to read. DC shut down most of their non-superhero stuff when CMX, Zuda and Wildstorm closed but there is still some left at Vertigo and ABC once in a blue moon. Genre range wise though Boom and Image have the best selection these days and to some extent Oni.
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@Feliciano2040:  I agree with wanting our comics to be great quality wise, but also to inspire us.  It's something, I feel comics need as a whole.  Titles like Batwing ,Batman: The Dark Knight, the new Captain Atom, Mister Terrific, DC Universe Presents, Stormwatch, and some others.  They just feel as more of a way to try to introduce the characters to a mainstream audience, but some of the characters don't look as if they're capable of carrying a series themselves which would drop them to a mini.  Wonder Woman even has a hard time carrying a solo series herself, but there's no way DC will let that title fall no matter how much it's sales don't compare to titles like Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, etc. 
 
@pikahyper:  True enough, I guess I was overexaggerating more than I wanted too.  Though DC and Marvel are more willing to push their hero comics through commercials and adds than they are to push Jonah Hex, and such and such.  I don't really consider Vertigo and ABC as a part of DC themselves, I understand their imprints under DC, but the stories and their purpose for being are so outside of the usual DC stories that they just separate themselves from the DC Universe in that way.  I do agree that Boom and Image have the a good variety of genres compared to others studios. 
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@Feliciano2040 said:

I can't help but cringe whenever people rationalize that Barbara Gordon going back to Batgirl is a good thing, it is a monstrous, horrible decision, and the fact that people are okay with comics being "cyclical" makes me feel really bad about the medium that I love.

I'm fairly sure that, for the most part, people are only rationalizing Babs going back to being as Batgirl because Gail Simone is writing her - which is wrong really, DC is cleverly avoiding potential backlash by doing this. I'm sure even Gail is upset by this, she gets way too much props from the disabled community not to. How do you feel about the rumour regarding Babs still being disabled, but using a high-tech Batsuit to move around?
 
DC are trying to exapnd genre-wise, with Men of War/Blackhawks and All-Star Western/Jonah Hex, and even Marvel revealed that Western title of theirs yesterday (I think it was yesterday), so there's room for hope on that front.
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@Adnan said:
I'm fairly sure that, for the most part, people are only rationalizing Babs going back to being as Batgirl because Gail Simone is writing her - which is wrong really, DC is cleverly avoiding potential backlash by doing this. I'm sure even Gail is upset by this, she gets way too much props from the disabled community not to. How do you feel about the rumour regarding Babs still being disabled, but using a high-tech Batsuit to move around?  DC are trying to exapnd genre-wise, with Men of War/Blackhawks and All-Star Western/Jonah Hex, and even Marvel revealed that Western title of theirs yesterday (I think it was yesterday), so there's room for hope on that front.
 First of all, nice avatar, is that The Saint Of Killers ? 
 
Second, Marvel unveiling a non-superhero comic book ?!! I'll be damned before that happens again ! What's the name ?
 
And thirdly, I don't know, how manipulable (sp) can some people be if only the name of "Gail Simone" makes them think everything's going to be fine, that said I am still not fond of the idea of the cyber-suit, though one has to grant DC comics that if she's still paralyzed there can still be stories about her disability, I wouldn't say it's all lost, even though the right decision here should've been to keep Stephanie Brown as batgirl (I've heard great things about her series), but tell that shit to Geoff Johns and he'll freak out and have a seizure right in front of you, seriously, that man is single-handedly raping the work of the 80's.
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@Feliciano2040 said:
that man is single-handedly raping the work of the 80's.
  Truer words have not been spoken.
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@Feliciano2040 said:

First of all, nice avatar, is that The Saint Of Killers ?   
 
Second, Marvel unveiling a non-superhero comic book ?!! I'll be damned before that happens again ! What's the name ? 
 
And thirdly, I don't know, how manipulable (sp) can some people be if only the name of "Gail Simone" makes them think everything's going to be fine, that said I am still not fond of the idea of the cyber-suit, though one has to grant DC comics that if she's still paralyzed there can still be stories about her disability, I wouldn't say it's all lost, even though the right decision here should've been to keep Stephanie Brown as batgirl (I've heard great things about her series), but tell that shit to Geoff Johns and he'll freak out and have a seizure right in front of you, seriously, that man is single-handedly raping the work of the 80's.

It's Resurrection Man. I still haven't gotten round to reading Preacher yet (got a pile of books I still need to read, not buying anymore TPBs for a while) 
 
It's called 'Six Guns: Locked and Loaded'
 
Agreed. Gail's a great writer and all, but this really isn't right.
 
@Amegashita said:

@Feliciano2040 said:

that man is single-handedly raping the work of the 80's.
  Truer words have not been spoken.

I've been hearing that a lot when people discuss the relaunch. How so?
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@Amegashita: Oh wow. I was never a big GL fan, so I wasn't aware of it that much.
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@Adnan:   Ye, it's not just baseless anger, there's a reason people hate Geoff so much right now.  Mostly the Green Lantern fans, but a lot of mainstream fans are feeling his presence.
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@Adnan said:

It's Resurrection Man. I still haven't gotten round to reading Preacher yet (got a pile of books I still need to read, not buying anymore TPBs for a while) 

  Really ?! I had no idea it was that character, I'm looking forward to his new series coming up in september.
 
@Adnan said:

Agreed. Gail's a great writer and all, but this really isn't right.

At least it was left in the right hands, I think she'll do a decent work at the very least. 
 
@Adnan said:

I've been hearing that a lot when people discuss the relaunch. How so? 


I wouldn't know about other people, but for me It is clear that he, as well as Lee and Didio, are absolutely in love with the Golden and Silver Age, and that they want to bring back DC comics to the iconic status it had at that point. Because of this, they are incapable of acknowledging the necessity of change in comic book continuity, and this is why we've seen them bring back Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, the JSA, and now Barbara Gordon as Batgirl, to quote a few examples.
 
Personally, I dislike Johns because he pretty much destroyed Alan Moore's brief, but inmensely brilliant, contributions to the Green Lantern Universe, the Green Lanterns had the potential to be THE Science Fiction of the new century with the creation of Mogo, Sodam Yat, with the AMAZING "In Blackest Night" story, as well as "Tygers", I confidently say it would've brought comics to a whole new level, and would've separated the Green Lanterns from the traditional superheroes. And all of this would've come at some point in the future if Geoff Johns hadn't decided to play Power Rangers and create the "emotional" spectrum (note for Johns' lovers: willpower, hope, compassion and greed are NOT emotions). 
 
He destroyed all the intellectual and fascinating aspects of the Green Lanterns in favor of having more colorful, shinier battles between different ringslingers, take a look at the new "Green Lantern: Emerald Knights" animated film, they tell the story of Tygers by replacing the qwardians and the children of the lobe with the goddamn sinestro corps !

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I wouldn't know about other people, but for me It is clear that he, as well as Lee and Didio, are absolutely in love with the Golden and Silver Age, and that they want to bring back DC comics to the iconic status it had at that point.

  In the words of TurokofStone: 

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Historically DC and Marvel have put out incredible westerns and war comics, I just wish more people liked them. Marvel did well with Blaze of Glory, Apache Skies, Rawhide Kid, The 'Nam and all the Western one shots from a few years back and Jonah Hex has been incredible from day one and by far the recent Unknown Soldier series is unquestionably one of the best comics made in the past decade, the previous Vertigo mini was also epic. Checkmate was also awesome so I have high hopes for the new Blackhawk and Sgt. Rock and the Men of War (even though I doubt the grandson will be better then the original Sgt. Rock)

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@Amegashita said:
@Feliciano2040 said:

I wouldn't know about other people, but for me It is clear that he, as well as Lee and Didio, are absolutely in love with the Golden and Silver Age, and that they want to bring back DC comics to the iconic status it had at that point.

  In the words of TurokofStone: 

Star artists have no business in Editorial.

I used to know Lee, he is a good man and a good editor but the man is only good on a small scale, this relaunch is way too much all at once and he just will not be able to keep up the pace he's not getting any younger.
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Okay, I'm probably going to get blasted for this, but I cant help but say it.   I honestly don't think bringing back older characters was a completely bad thing.  Yes it is true that silver age characters like Hal Jordan and Barry Allen had wooden personalities, but the truth is everybody did back then.  Everybody.  Stories back then were mostly about the tights and fights, not about who the characters were underneath the masks and cowls.  All Johns did was flesh Hal and Barry out, delve more into who they are.  Just like he did with Wally West and eventually Aquaman. I haven't been reading DC stuff that long so for a reader like me, who has a vague idea of who these characters are, found that interesting.    (Okay this is the part where you call me names like noob/fanboy/idiot etc.)
 
As for the DC revamp, well this reminds me of what Nintendo did when the Wii first came out.  Instead of catering solely to the hardcore set, they wanted to bring in a casual audience, people that cant play games for 10+ hours at a time.  It was a risk but it worked for them.  Nintendo understood that the gaming industry needed more people to play, just like the comic book industry needs more people to read.  If it fails it fails, but I have to give DC credit by going out on a big limb like this.

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@GundamHeavyarms said:

Okay, I'm probably going to get blasted for this, but I cant help but say it.   I honestly don't think bringing back older characters was a completely bad thing.  Yes it is true that silver age characters like Hal Jordan and Barry Allen had wooden personalities, but the truth is everybody did back then.  Everybody.  Stories back then were mostly about the tights and fights, not about who the characters were underneath the masks and cowls.  All Johns did was flesh Hal and Barry out, delve more into who they are.  Just like he did with Wally West and eventually Aquaman. I haven't been reading DC stuff that long so for a reader like me, who has a vague idea of who these characters are, found that interesting.    (Okay this is the part where you call me names like noob/fanboy/idiot etc.)

  No one here would call you a noob and all that jazz, the problem people have with bringing older characters back is that it's okay when you introduce a new character into a mantle, and he absolutely fails at it in terms of garnering an audience, like what we saw with Connor Hawke taking up the mantle of Green Arrow, and thus Oliver Queen came back in around a decade, give or take.  But with characters like Barry Allen and Hal Jordan, it just seems wrong to bring them back when you've introduced two characters who's been so well received for the extended period of time where they were the Flash and the Green Lantern for a lot of people.  By bringing back the characters, it's almost as if DC is angry at Wally's and Kyle's success and they just want to spite them.  Ye it sounds ridiculous, but that's how it seems to a lot of people sitting here right now, wondering "Why?" 
 
  As for your Nintendo Wii analogy, with the Wii they did get more casual players, but they lost a lot of the hardcore players.  There's a reason why a game like Wii Fit was the top selling game on the Wii for the majority of the time it was there, while games like Mario, Kirby, and so many other fell flat, not only that, but the Nintendo Wii lost the third party game developers.  With the Wii's specific control specs, you had to establish a game that works specifically with the Wii, which is why not a lot of mutliplatform games ended up on the Wii, games like Assassin's Creed, and etc.  You have to be able to cater to both audiences without choke-holding the developers of video games, keeping it simple, while also allowing for more complicated playing styles to exist is the best way to do both.  With the Ps3, there's a reason why games like Little Big Planet, do so well while games like Call of Duty and Battlefield do just as well.  It's because the system they're on allows for the casual audience, and the hardcore audience to both play what fits them.  That's what DC has to do to, play both sides of the coin.
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@GundamHeavyarms said:
As for the DC revamp, well this reminds me of what Nintendo did when the Wii first came out.  Instead of catering solely to the hardcore set, they wanted to bring in a casual audience, people that cant play games for 10+ hours at a time.  It was a risk but it worked for them.  Nintendo understood that the gaming industry needed more people to play, just like the comic book industry needs more people to read.  If it fails it fails, but I have to give DC credit by going out on a big limb like this.
You are right it is similar to what Nintendo did but DC is handling it differently and not as well, Nintendo was smart and while they did implement massive changes they did it in a way that would minimize alienation on hardcore gamers and DC isn't really doing that, plus Nintendo went all in with a complete organizational change and rebranding, DC is just doing a quick botox session in hopes of short term relief. DC has already been loosing massive amounts of readers from death (old age), the economy and event fatigue but instead of buckling down and making DC a tighter entity with fewer titles, a guarantee of no events (for at least a couple years so the universe can stabilize) and a stable roster of creative staff they are taking the quick route out to appeal to a younger generation that really can't support the industry financially while giving the older readers (that have been supporting them this whole time) the finger. For every five new younger short term readers they bring in they will probably lose three older long term readers, kids just do not have the interest or money to invest in this hobby and comics can't compete with electronics, video games, music, movies and dating so in a couple years the industry will just be worse then it is now and they will have to come up with some other gimmick to increase readers. Like I said before though this could all be solved by having fewer titles, a guarantee of no events for a long while and stable creative teams, it wouldn't be immediately fixed but slowly it could recover and it will bring back readers that left from event fatigue and if at the same time they push the digital initiative they will bring in new younger readers that way cause they are more likely to be attracted to digital then print, this is a nice smart long term solution but it will never happen.
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All extremely valid points especially (to me) number 2, although it's kinda unfair to compare the comics industry with the manga industry. the reason being is that manga usually has a life cycle and generally tells a story as opposed to comics that go on and on with no end in sight as opposed to manga who you can see a end somewhere along the story (except for one piece apparently). to me manga writers put more effort into their main characters and the story than comics and this is probably as you said, a result of one writer being in charge of the story.   

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@blackspider2020:  Thank you for the compliment, comics seem to want to make their stories last for eons, but it's because of this that many of the industries' stories lack the creative effort and the imagination that seems to be evident in manga.  With comics, they're about gathering and getting the most money, but the thing about manga is that they're based on "being interesting".  It's hard to deny that there seems to be more imagination in manga, once again, we see it in One Piece.  The entire story is based on the idea that One Piece is a romance story between a group of people and adventure.  They love adventure, and it's through that love that they seek to go farther and farther into the world.  In comics, there always has to be some cliched idea and some stale basis.  It doesn't feel as if the writers are having fun with comics, and the stories they can tell.
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@Amegashita: Reading this made me sad because your extremely right. Comics today are just way to confusing to keep up with. For example i went to my local book store today,( i don't by comics at book stores), and realized there were like 5 different batman comics on the stand. This is pretty intimating  for a first time reader who won't know which comic to choose or the differences between them.  Also i agree the writing changes so much from issue to issue that it waters down the story. I think that some of us on comic vine should start writing online comics and form a collective from writers and artist. It would be great to read a comic where the creator, or at least someone who cares about the characters, writes the issues. 
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@Goyo77:  I agree, with all the books some of these characters get, it's hard to figure out where to start, and what stories matter in the context of continuity.  It's harder to start reading comics now because there's so many jumping points, not to mention so many titles tie into one another so in order to completely understand what's going on, you have to buy as many comics as possible just for the story to make any logical sense.  I'm glad you found some points in my blog agreeable.  
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@Amegashita: Don't want to sound like a dick, but people can always ask and make inquiries, it's not the editors' fault if somebody is too lazy to inform himself, if "X" person sees on the stand:  
 
-Batman by Tony Daniel.
-Detective Comics by Scott Snyder.
-Batman The Dark Knight by David Fincher. 
-Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison.
 
And that somebody is confused, then he can go to the guy at the counter, he can ask somebody at the store, a friend, he can go with previous knowledge by making inquiries on the internet, there's plenty of options, eventually somebody is bound to tell him his best options are either some TPB's on Amazon, to catch up, and Batman Inc. as well as Detective Comics.
 
Now, wether Didiot and Geoffcon should be allowing Tony Daniel and David Fincher to write comics, that's a very different issue.
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@Feliciano2040:  I agree, it doesn't take much to figure out what comic you should read, but once again, some of the stories span between so many issues it's hard to just sit down and enjoy a story.  Not to mention if I'm a new reader who's curious, I probably don't want to ask about what book to read because I don't care, it was just a spur of the moment curiosity that had me wanting to pick up the story.  Also, I'm pretty glad to see Silkcuts term for Dan Didiot getting spread around further.  It's pretty cool.
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@Amegashita: Reading your post (it's very well written, BTW) makes me sad. I'm fairly new to comics, just read all issues of Elephantmen, and this makes me not want to read things like Batman and other superhero comics. They are really interesting characters (from what I've read on the wiki), but I don't want to read different versions written and drawn by different people every so often.

I also LOVE One Piece because of the journey, not just the characters. In superhero comics (that I've read), the main goal is just to protect people. This is great, but makes it feel like it'll never end (which it doesn't). In One Piece, there is a goal, get to the end of the Grand Line. Everything else is just how they get there, which is lighthearted and fun at times, but serious at others.

Seriously, really good post. Makes you wonder what the comic and manga industry will be like in the coming years.

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@saliva:  Thank you for your compliments.  It's extremely hard to actually go read a series that is controlled by one person for a long period of time, and then to go and read the latest issue of Batman with a new creative team, without knowing which writers are great.  Let alone add to the fact that there's 8 different Batman books written by a different writer.  Especially if your well-versed in the personality of the character, you'd quickly go and drop 3/4 s of those Batman books because they don't suit your view of the character. 
 
  One Piece is great, it is about the journey, but it's so much more about the characters along that journey.  But One Piece mixes both serious and light hearded-ness.  Not only that, but the manga isn't black and white, it's not about Good vs Evil, it's all a shade of grey.  Most of the characters in the manga aren't bad, not even most of the marines.  Cause, if you think about it, most of the population of the One Piece world doesn't have powers nor are they pirates.  So when you see a marine trying to kill Luffy, he's doing it to protect those normal citizens from a perceived threat.  It's great to know there is a story that has such depth, and such a complicated world about it.   
 
  Once again, thank you for the compliment.  From what I'm seeing, unless there are some major changes to the comic industry, they will continue to go down hill unless they focus on the quality of their works.  Manga will be fine, for awhile, though manga writers and anime artists have a horrible pay check.  That might add fire to a fuel at some later point in time.
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SO I think that you guys should read Batman Cacophony. It is a fun read, plus it still has batmans darker side. I enjoyed that book so well. 
But with the 1 writer being able to control his character I believe completely. OR someone just as equal to the character. Like for example Kevin Smith and Green Arrow. I think a lot of people will agree that quiver and sounds of violence were great stories. And I think Kevin smith should personally get back on green arrow and possibly add some humor back in there.

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@Amegashita: dude, did you just try and compare anime and cartoon based comics? dude that is like, a major slip up. two greats shouldn't be compared when they're both great in a different way.

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@sputnik: Lol, no. I didn't. It's one thing to say that I shouldn't compare a comic book to a video game. You can make a sound argument upon why the two shouldn't be compared, one is a story that you participate in as the turning points are revealed to you over the coarse of the story. On the other hand, Manga and Comics are sooooooo similar, their differences are negligible. The only things that separate comics is that most are always colored, while manga is read from the right and come in a larger quantity. That's it. Both mediums are character/ story dependant and while comics are generally held up by the superhero genre, manga are held by a multitude of genre's, even having some superhero manga themselves.

The thing is, I never compared the two. I made a statement about things that are wrong with the comic book industry, and I used the unbelievably successful Manga medium as a way to mark the balance. Now, do me a favor and reread the blog, so that you can post something a little more relevant to the statements I made: Instead of posting a general comment so that it can seem like you added to the discussion. It's like telling a little kid who plays football "You completely messed up on the route you ran" and then not telling them a thing about how they messed up and what they can do to fix it.

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Great article. You've put the finger on all the reason I've dropped mainstream comic book and I couldn't agree more.

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I think you are right, your points are valid and have a lot of meaning to me. The reason I was always hesitant to read comics was those points as well, but let me add another point that I said in another thread. I think comic books rehash the same characters to much. I mean how many different variations of spiderman or batman are there. There stories have been told countless of times and in many different ways that I don't want to read them. I want to see the comic book industry actually end these iconic characters and start with fresh new ones.

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Last thing, maybe you could try Invincible or Brit, at least for now, it's the same writer doing his ork ad keeping some credibility and stability for amost one hundred episode.

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@blackwolf0925: I agree that comics are to inherent on keeping character titles like Batman and Superman, but that's all semantic as most of the characters that take on a mantle are entirely different. Now making 8 batman comics is more than rehashing, it's abusing a brand.

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i didnt read all of this, but ive always considered people saying "the big two are too concerned with money" to be a very immature perspective. money, whether good or bad, makes the world go round and lets comics come out. no money = no comics.

watch any interview with any creator or representative of publishers and to me it jumps out clearly to me in almost every case that they love comics. the comic industry is hard to get into and no one gets there without a true love of comics and hard work. some may lose that, and loving comics doesnt necessarily make you good at drawing or writing, but it's still present and undeniable.

so, as much as people in the industry DO love comics, money cannot be ignored. it makes sense that they are trying to tailor stories to sell more, if they sell more they can put out more comics. not only that, but they have families to take care of and bills to pay. and beyond that, more money means more jobs for more people.

i understand why people feel the way you do when big talked up events flop and things like that, but it's just impossible to say that creators don't care about stories or work hard to improve their craft, or that they shouldn't care about money at all compared to the comics themselves.

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@zombietag: I didn't read all of your post, because you didn't bother reading the entirety of my post but I will respond none the less. The phrase "Too concerned with money" insinuates that the companies are focusing too much on money. It's obvious that they need to think about making money, that statement is common sense. They are a COMPANY, companies need to make money in order to strive. The section of my post where I mention their concern with money is that they're to focused on tailoring stories to make money that they neglect to enhance the stories they have already released. Just like the reboot, DC did the reboot to make money, not to enhance their stories. The character's histories are so long and expansive that it doesn't require much effort to improve future stories it just takes patience. There's a reason why characters like Bruce Wayne, Captain America, and so many others come back after they're effectively "killed off", it's because they sell, and to kill them off for to long would only serve to reduce the sales of their comics, and effectively the revenue these companies receive. Like I said in the post, which you probably didn't read, Great stories sell, great art sells, an artist doesn't need to tailor a great story to a specific audience because the audience will love the art none the less. When a company tailors specific stories to a whole new audience while isolating a previous audience, they are effectively "Too concerned with money".

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@zombietag: I didn't read all of your post, because you didn't bother reading the entirety of my post but I will respond none the less. The phrase "Too concerned with money" insinuates that the companies are focusing too much on money. It's obvious that they need to think about making money, that statement is common sense. They are a COMPANY, companies need to make money in order to strive. The section of my post where I mention their concern with money is that they're to focused on tailoring stories to make money that they neglect to enhance the stories they have already released. Just like the reboot, DC did the reboot to make money, not to enhance their stories. The character's histories are so long and expansive that it doesn't require much effort to improve future stories it just takes patience. There's a reason why characters like Bruce Wayne, Captain America, and so many others come back after they're effectively "killed off", it's because they sell, and to kill them off for to long would only serve to reduce the sales of their comics, and effectively the revenue these companies receive. Like I said in the post, which you probably didn't read, Great stories sell, great art sells, an artist doesn't need to tailor a great story to a specific audience because the audience will love the art none the less. When a company tailors specific stories to a whole new audience while isolating a previous audience, they are effectively "Too concerned with money".

first off, i did read the entire money section, as well as your comment. just not the other parts. and i understand where you are coming from. but you cant tell me that DC did a reboot 100% for money. theres a combination. it helps bring in sales, and it brings new exciting opportunities for stories they havent told before. why do good stories and making money have to be separate?

you said yourself, good stories and good art sell well. thats true (usually, not every time). so i think DC and marvel both focus on this. they choose the stories, writers, and artists, they think can make the best stories and art and that will sell the best. i dont think any one at either of the big 2s is saying things like "this story/art is terrible, but i bet it will sell well! lets push it anyways!"

and yes the killing thing is overplayed. but it is a good story every once in a while. who didnt enjoy batman RIP? and of course they bring him back, its again this unison of quality story/making money. there are too many batman fans that wanted bruce back either way, and they would make money off of his return. why is it bad to utilize that? they are, as you said, a company.

im not arguing with your issues here, my main point is that DC and marvel get treated like money hungry pigs when its pretty clear they want to make good comics as much as we want them to. that doesnt mean everything is going to be great, but im pretty confident they are shooting for everything to be great.

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@zombietag: Hmm, last I checked, reading one section of a post is not exactly "reading the entirety of my post".

The fact is, when you're the two biggest names in comic books out there with millions of dollars of revenue thanks to movies, merchandise, and comic books. There's no point in sacking great stories to churn out mindless event, after mindless event. And you know what, I'll take the stand that DC did the reboot 100% for money and I will stick by that till the day I die. If they actually wanted to make great stories, they would have started using some of those characters that haven't seen usage since Crisis on Infinite Earths instead of creating a universe where you have thousands of people in it, but only 90 of them actually get any notable mention. When you have hundreds of characters there is no excuse to not use them when you want to make a great story.

Companies are quick to take the easy way out, instead of trying to do every possibility they have possible. Once they can say, "We tried everything, and used a good majority of the characters in our universe and nothing worked out, NOW WE CAN DO A REBOOT." Comic book companies are no different from video game companies in this regard. Once I see one Batman book on the shelves every month, there is no reason to believe DC isn't shooting for all the money they can.

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@zombietag: Hmm, last I checked, reading one section of a post is not exactly "reading the entirety of my post".

The fact is, when you're the two biggest names in comic books out there with millions of dollars of revenue thanks to movies, merchandise, and comic books. There's no point in sacking great stories to churn out mindless event, after mindless event. And you know what, I'll take the stand that DC did the reboot 100% for money and I will stick by that till the day I die. If they actually wanted to make great stories, they would have started using some of those characters that haven't seen usage since Crisis on Infinite Earths instead of creating a universe where you have thousands of people in it, but only 90 of them actually get any notable mention. When you have hundreds of characters there is no excuse to not use them when you want to make a great story.

Companies are quick to take the easy way out, instead of trying to do every possibility they have possible. Once they can say, "We tried everything, and used a good majority of the characters in our universe and nothing worked out, NOW WE CAN DO A REBOOT." Comic book companies are no different from video game companies in this regard. Once I see one Batman book on the shelves every month, there is no reason to believe DC isn't shooting for all the money they can.

youre first statement is correct. thats why i said i didnt read all of it. i was only stating that i read all of the money section because thats what my comment pertained to.

again, this comment displays your lack of understanding of how the business works. or any large corporation. yes DC and marvel are making a ton of money from movies and merchandise, but its also a big company that is split in different ways with different departments. comics are their own part, and i promise you that the comic creators are not making more money directly just because Green Latern the film made a lot of money. i wont tell you that a movie that makes millions of dollars doesnt benefit the entire company, but its not like just because the film did great all the sudden everyone making comics gets a bigger paycheck.

also, why does a reboot have to be a last priority? not only that, but obviously using smaller, lesser known characters instead of the more prominent recognized ones would drop sales tremendously. and thats bad for everyone, including the fans. and they did use smaller characters during the reboot. grifter? animal man? cmon. they tried their best to put something in there for everyone. they may not have accomplished that, but i can tell they tried.

and the reboot isnt a quick easy way out. in fact, it was a huge HUGE risk. they put a TON of money into marketing it and a lot of time planning out all the character reviving and such, and they werent sure it was going to work or not. a lot of people (including todd mcfarlane) thought it would flop and they would actually lose money. but guess what, IT WORKED. not only did DC do better, ALL COMICS SOLD BETTER ACROSS THE BOARD for september. and you know what that means? more comics for me and you. more opportunities for more creators to tell more stories and put more out. and more opportunities to make more money for comics, which then makes more opportunities for more creators, etc. all this centered around business, but business that comes from exciting opportunities to tell newer, BETTER stories. and you know why it did better? cuz fans like me and you bought the new 52. hate it or not, i dont think anyone in the industry will tell you they think the reboot was bad for comics. at all.

im not saying this to make you feel dumb or prove anyone wrong, i think its just time for us as fans to recognize that no one in the big two is trying to scrap story content for money. that doesnt even make sense. theyre trying to tell better stories and make better comics, which will make more money. lets get it straight.