ambival1

This user has not updated recently.

105 0 24 8
Forum Posts Wiki Points Following Followers

ambival1's forum posts

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#1  Edited By ambival1

Too much psychological sci-fi. In my opinion it's Kimura. Although mysterious talk is not her best asset, but after X-23 finishing the remains of the facility in X-Force, she is kinda unemployed. She may have changed since that day and may have her own plans for X. Simple venegance would be quite dull.

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#2  Edited By ambival1

@Sierra_B312 said:

In my opinion after reading both Innocence Lost and Target X, they should put both of these origin stories into one film, if Marvel and whoever decide to do it (most likely 20th Century Fox since they're the ones that've been doing live-action X-Men films for the past decade). For the Innocence Lost part, it's good the way it is. As for the Target X part, my question is how will they transition from 13-year old Laura laying with her mother's corpse crying (end of IL), to being strapped in a chair and interrogated by Captain America and Daredevil (beginning of TX)?

I don't think it would be a good idea to put Innocence Lost and Target X into one film, although those are perfect stories. The problem is that they are both closed, integral stories, with great beggining and ending (that is why we are talking about two limited stories instead of one). It can always be mashed up, but it would create a serious confusion. Audience might have a problem with concentrating on a plot, since it's doubled (which parts belong to which plot). Target X is a continuation in it's form. Innocence Lost story alone as a film meant to introduce X-23 to public is, for me, a better option.

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#3  Edited By ambival1

Although only on the cover, Kimura did pull her claws off in the Target X series. Besides X did it by herself during her escape from facility in X Force, so it's not impossible.

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#4  Edited By ambival1

After the accusations of imitating “Who would you cast” thread and locking my thread, I post it again without the actress choice, just story. So below you can see my choice for the movie plot. Enjoy.

Innocence Lost movie plot.

The series tells her story from the very beginning, when she was just an idea of “weapon” project and through her entire childhood. It shows how brutally her childish innocence is turned into living hell by the training to form her into an ultimate weapon. People watching it would get to know the character and would be touched by her tragedy (I was) because in today’s films real people with real problems attract good attention (these are tv series but I can mention “Lost” and “24” series having these elements and getting attention) and she (for me) is a very real person, with real emotions, which differ her from all other superheros and makes a very interesting character (in my opinion, but I’m a fan of her not because of the action but because of that deep psychology in all her comic series).

The other thing is the series plot, narration and characters. In it there is a room for everything. We have nice action (kinda in Kill Bill style if we compare the known bloody fight in mansion with X23 fights with soldiers – they are both bloody with blades in the main role), the story is narrated by her mother (If think it’s an advantage, it would give a dark and emotional feature for the movie) and we have a clear look on the protagonists and antagonists. The facility and especially Zander Rice are the clear antagonists, because they turned her life into nightmare only for financial profit. I think even people who don’t know X23 would identify with her in this situation. The last thing is the finale, really big event full of action, where good defeats evil and with suprising and moving end, when she kills her mother because of the killer scent on her and then hears her real name (I cried in that moment, so would other watchers).

Through the entire series also runs a very deep dilemma, which could be used as the movie's tagline – If she’s a killing machine or an poor innocent girl, who suffered so much pain.

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#5  Edited By ambival1

@FourthDeity said:

@hydrabob: Thanks for the UNI info i didn't really understand it until now

xD you dont want her to become more popular? how come?

@MyraMyraMyra: It is ^_^ my favorite moment was that "girls night out" one. A live action would be beautiful xD

@ambival1: Same I agree the series now is eh.. her back in target X and chaos theory was just <3 <3. And X23 standing alone? I dunno about that. Her solo series were amazing but she's grown a tight bond to people like jubilee gambit wolvie and a whole bunch of others

@OldManJoe: A fan can only dream huh? xD its not over for her yet things can still happen

Well, I think I've gone little too far with this "demand". It's not that I don't like it, but in my opinion, the most interesting characters are usually dark and lonesome. Loneliness is also one of the main aspects of making a good psychological story, because having no one to help, you are all alone with your problems. Although I don't know the whole story, I'm pretty sure the story from the issue #21 is exactly what I'm talking about, so I shouldn't complain. But having back that spy-action vide is still my biggest demand.

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#6  Edited By ambival1

@FourthDeity: Let me be the one who will break the ice. I am not quite a fan of the ongoing series (It's not that I dislike it, it just doesn't fit my expectations) mainly because it lacks that spy-action vibe, that was present in Kyle and Yost era. Thus I wish that her stories will be like that again. I adore her for being such a real action-psychological character - no one is as real as her. She is the only character that frequently uses real weapons and tactics rather than simply cutting her way through and she is too down-to-earth to be a superhero. But what I want for her most (it's ONLY MY DEMAND) is to break her affiliations with anyone. She is far more interesting as a stand alone character. The ongoing series gave a pinch of that solution, but then we had gambit, jubilee and other characters that broke her solitude which (together with the red narration boxes) made her a fancy character. It's only my demand and I may had gone too far with the statement, because of the #21 issue, which I'm planning to read soon.

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#7  Edited By ambival1

That is the question I' ve been repeatedly pointing out. She is just like Wolverine - she is a lone wolf (or she-wolf perhaps). But I think the reason why she is rarely alone is because she needs someone to interact with. Sometimes it's hard to make an intriguing story, when something happens only occasionally. Story needs dialogues and interactions with other characters, especially when we are talking about a girl that rarely says anything. But if we have a good inner narration (like in Ongoing series - red boxes) that appears frequently, story can proceed even with a solo character - as a psychological story (which is my favorite genre together with solid action)

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#8  Edited By ambival1

@xenatorres said:

As far as I am concerned, only Kyle and Yost should write X-23. Everyone else seems to just....suck at it. Liu has been the best effort, but even so, there were so many things she did in the X-23 series that really drove me nuts and didn't really work: X-23 being some sort of super empath, incorrectly showing Sarah Kinney's treatment of X-23 (covered so AMAZINGLY in "Innocence Lost"), X-23's trigger scent being made into some 'magical' scent that now drives anyone into a rage (it's not a magic chemical that makes her go crazy, it's because she associates the smell with being tortured - it's a Pavlov's bell sort of thing). That being said, I have also really loved a lot of what Liu wrote. I love Gambit's protection of Laura. I truly LOVED the Jubilee issues (aside from messing with the trigger scent of course).

But I miss Kyle and Yost at the helm of their creation. No one knows her like they do. Anyone else is always going to be second fiddle to such writing GODS. ;)

I too consider their writing being on a Godlike level. They fulfilled nearly every my dream in terms of a story and main female character. Everything they did was epic - being tortured, abused through all her child life, but still fighting for freedom and a chance to live; being able for a big sacrifice (like cutting her hand to help megan etc). There is also that spy-action vibe with mercenaries, hired assasins and Black Ops agents mixed with deep psychology and other symbolical elements. And putting a female character in such a story is something I've been looking for my entire life and Kyle and Yost fulfills my desire for such a story. Even that they are associated with Marvel, that superhero vibe is not as clear as in the other marvel comics, making her stories quite realistic, something like the Bourne's identity. Liu is writing is worse, because her X23 is less killer and more a troubled girl, but in my opinion there should be a perfect balance between these two traits - just a little disfunction in that balance and we have either a plain, shallow killer or an ordinary, troubled girl

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#9  Edited By ambival1

@ka385385: Theoretically, you are right, but in comics (and in other various arts, like music) there isn't a real competition. I'm fan of X23, thus I'm a fan of X-men. Any serious event won't bring me to DC comics, because I'm a fan of Marvel universe. Like being a fan of a band - you like them for their unique sound, but when Metallica will publish their new album, you may listen to it and even become a fan, but does this puts a cross on your favorite band? I think not, you can listen to both bands. The same with comics. But if marvel will constantly treat X23 like a popular merchandise, which will gain popularity to recent projects, I might lose my interest.

Avatar image for ambival1
ambival1

105

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

8

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#10  Edited By ambival1

Well, hard to complain about her writing style:

Marjorie M. Liu is aNew York Times best-selling author of paranormal romance and urban fantasy novels and comic books.

X23 now is more like that fantasy-paranormal romance with some action. She just wrote X23's stories in her own individual style.