AmazonessFighter

Momin is not a fighter, he is no wimp, but I dont see him past Ep I Maul, maybe he might be as weak as Ventress. Yes he was a Sith, but in the Era where many Sith lived and these were subpar to Banite Siths.

I think he is potentially the most powerful Sith ever in either canon or legends, surpassed only by the Kyle Katarn in the dark side ending. Had Momin managed to control the energy he was harnessing with the time freeze before the Jedi arrived, or had he managed to get rid of Vader allowing him to hold monopoly over the door to the darkside, I have little doubt he could annihilate Sidious like Yoda could annihilate a Padawan. Vader indeed proved to be the Chosen One by defeating Momin and saving the galaxy by preventing him from keeping the door.

But as it stands with the power he actually had, Momin gets defeated by Ahsoka.

Stalemate, witht he clarification that its only a stalemate because Manhattan holds back.

Whats the point on "morals on"? I know it sounds like bitching but its the first debate forum I have ever seen to have morals on.......... I mean I have seen ones that have personality on but not morals certaintly. I mean under that logic then the fight isnt possible in the first place, with morals activated then neither Manhattan or Superman would see a reason to fight.

Now that I think about it, even going with morals, would Dr Manhattan allow himself to be killed or defeated to avoid a cosmic horror? Yes, he went to make sure the world would be okay, but he was never in danger personally, granted he basically sacrifice his own free will to allow everyone else have it.

But in a scenario where Manhattan himself would be in danger I dont think he would be so forgiving, he cares about the world but also he is isolated and as time pass he gets further away, remember this Manhattan was before the original series one which was very detatches from humanity, and since this is current Manhattan it is going to be the one at the end of the series chronologically.

I have a hard time believing Manhattan would put himself in danger to avoid a catastrophe something he was never shown to be willing to do even in Before Watchmen, let alone the "I cant see the difference between a living and dead person, each has the same ammount of atoms, why should I care?" one.

Since Dr M said each possibility or reality is just a matter of perspective that can be changed with a nudge, then he just has to choose as his main reality or the one he will experience where he wins, even if he still experience lose in the other, to him is a matter of perspective. Imagine this, I simultaneously experience a reality where I beat Mike Tyson and other where I didnt, in this case its really just a matter of perspective where Iiterally the difference objectively is if I decide to look at the glass half empty or half full, while Mike doesnt has said choice and is forced to be stuck with the single outcome.

Okay, so then the consensus is, a stalemate because Dr Manhattan holds back? Okay, I can live with that.

Sigh morals aside, you are basically saying "Manhattan will lose because he will hold back". No holding back Manhattan wins.

No stalemate, Manhattan can go back and avoid beign trapped into a black hole, also he could fix things in other timelines so even if he gets killed the Manhattan from other timelines can fix it. Superman lose.

The fact that he doesnt control the effects of what he changes doesnt mean he cant change it, and we have a clear panel in which the paper with Rosarch changes to a paper with Silk and he outright says he create timelines, at wil. Granted, with consequences but he still does.

This is a battle morals are irrelevant, even if Manhattan was just a time traveler he still can bear Superman.

His powers are based on quantum observation post the earlier panel, the original paper was rosarch not Silk, but to him all possibilities are just a matter of perspective in which said by him, he can change with just a nudge, then we have a panel in which we outright see the paper going from Rosarch to Silk and the second panel which you posted in which he says the reality was bent and it was indeed changed.

It is clearly obvious what is happening if you look to the quantum mechanics, in a quantum perspective the universe is merely a wave of probabilities, when observed said probability becomes an actuality, Manhattan thought that upon deciding on Silk the possibility of him going with Rosarch was nullified and overwritten (the cophenagen interpretation of quantum mechanics in which observing a certain outcome just overwrites the other possibilities) but instead he found that all possibilities are actualized and occur in different universes (many worlds interpretation). In short he can decide which of the possibilities he will experience and then we have the time travel part.

With time travel alone this new feat alone Manhattan should be able to beat Superman easily, the quantum powers are just overkill because guess what? Its a possibility Superman will lose, and then he just have to decide on said possibility and this is what he will experience in his main point of view, even if he will lose to Superman in other points of views.

Incorrect, Manhattan outright states he bends reality and can decide what to observe and it will happen, he could have decided to go with Rosarch instead of Silk for example and actually it is what he did.